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Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

xbilkis posted:

All of the NFC North posters are gonna start earnestly rallying around the Lions like when people let a 90 year old dude score a touchdown in a flag football game or whatever. And then they're gonna poo poo themselves and die at the one yard line

My General NFC North Rule is anyone but the Packers.

So long as it has no effect on the Bears.

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Rod Hoofhearted
Jun 18, 2000

I am a ghost




Meh, the refs were bad to both teams all night. Especially that not-quite-a-catch off the ground by the fullback.

Hard to take it personally.

Packers lost that game themselves by being stupid in goal line situations. If in those 1-yard-line situations they run the ball, they probably score 14 more points.

BGrifter
Mar 16, 2007

Winner of Something Awful PS5 thread's Posting Excellence Award June 2022

Congratulations!
Yeah the refs were atrocious but I didn’t feel like it was slanted in favor of either team.

The loss lands pretty firmly on the coaching staff. The play calling was downright bizarre tonight.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


BGrifter posted:

Yeah the refs were atrocious but I didn’t feel like it was slanted in favor of either team.

The loss lands pretty firmly on the coaching staff. The play calling was downright bizarre tonight.

I still mark it up to Jamaal getting his neck broken. Aaron Jones on 1st and 2nd downs doesn't really work, he's slippery but he's not really a tackle buster.

I will say though I'm confused why they didn't hand it to Vitale in the red zone. Dude is huge and jacked, he could easily break a couple tackles.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
Smart Innovative offensive minds do not like running the loving ball in the redzone.

Rod Hoofhearted
Jun 18, 2000

I am a ghost




Dexo posted:

Smart Innovative offensive minds do not like running the loving ball in the redzone.

hosed, but true.

Darth Brooks
Jan 15, 2005

I do not wear this mask to protect me. I wear it to protect you from me.

IcePhoenix posted:

That was a really lovely way to find out Sendejo is still in the league.

He's like a drunk driver who somehow only manages to gently caress up other people's lives but comes out unscathed.

I'm glad he's off the Vikings. It's sucks that he's predictably still injuring other players. There may be a time to retire for the sake of others.

Parallelwoody
Apr 10, 2008


I'm talking myself into the idea that the chiefs are going to have one of the two or three lovely games that every good team seems to have in a season against the lions. Makes sense: the lions beat a contender, we get our hopes up that maybe, just maybe, they are for real this time, and they proceed to get destroyed by every team except the bears for the rest of the way. I could also see taking a loss, winning the next five or something, then making GBS threads the bed until the post season as well.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Darth Brooks posted:

I'm glad he's off the Vikings. It's sucks that he's predictably still injuring other players. There may be a time to retire for the sake of others.

Diqnol
May 10, 2010

Pokemaster #421 posted:

So I think tonight is going to be a decent barometer of how the packers are coming along. The defense will finally play a good qb, even if the receiving corps are a little banged up, and almost certainly the best oline so far this year. If the Smith's can perform somewhat close to how they have been that will be an excellent indicator that they will be a force to reckon with all season.

This should be the game where the offense starts to put together a complete game. They dont have to be perfect but they need to show up all 4 quarters. I think a ton of this comes down to how well lafleur can adjust to defensive adjustments made in game. It seems to be an area hes been struggling with but by this week and next they should start to get a sense of what might work in what situation. If the offense still completely disappears after the first quarter it might be time to start asking why they are having such a hard time in game.

Or maybe I'm way off base and it's totally unrealistic to expect that to happen by week 4 of a new offense. I honestly have no idea what a reasonable time frame is. I'm just not sure the defense can sustain the way it's been playing week in and week out, especially the game saving turnovers.

What a beautiful and well composed post. Deeply unfortunate that your fears were all confirmed, though, chap.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1177528561797750784

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

THE LIAR
drat look at who's leadin' the NFC North.......

Grand Theft Autobot
Feb 28, 2008

I'm something of a fucking idiot myself
The goal line bullshit was bad enough, but the two atrocious kickoffs were even worse.

Pokemaster #421
Jul 14, 2005

For a swift one at the wrist, down on the old main drag.

ELO Musk posted:

What a beautiful and well composed post. Deeply unfortunate that your fears were all confirmed, though, chap.

Being right all the time is my curse, along with being devilishly handsome and hung like a stallion :(

Also not so happy to hear about Adam's turf toe. That's a lingering injury isnt it? Like all season lingering?

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Pokemaster #421 posted:

Also not so happy to hear about Adam's turf toe. That's a lingering injury isnt it? Like all season lingering?

It's pretty bad yeah. You could see last night on replay Adams's toe getting bent backwards on a catch. It's a sprain and he'll probably be dealing with it all season long.

Pokemaster #421
Jul 14, 2005

For a swift one at the wrist, down on the old main drag.
That is pretty danged bad news. I think Adams has the best first steps in all of football and obv that's gonna gently caress that up but good. Also I didnt notice last night but did Goodson start playing more? Hes been here a few weeks now so I would think they should be throwing him out there by now to help in the middle of the field. Because we might really need help there. Like a lot of help

Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.
Packers are fool's gold. They've been exposed. Not having Adams or Williams is going to torpedo the offense, and the defense seems to be utterly incapable of stopping any run.

Looks like 8-8 is best case scenario.

Paint Crop Pro
Mar 22, 2007

Find someone who values you like Rick Spielman values 7th round picks.



SKULL.GIF posted:

It's pretty bad yeah. You could see last night on replay Adams's toe getting bent backwards on a catch. It's a sprain and he'll probably be dealing with it all season long.

It's a weird injury because sometimes people play through it and it will linger, but shutting him down for a week or 2 might be a good idea so he can come back at 100%

Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.

OxySnake posted:

It's a weird injury because sometimes people play through it and it will linger, but shutting him down for a week or 2 might be a good idea so he can come back at 100%

If he was 100% in 3 weeks, I'd be shocked. He couldn't put a shoe on after the game ffs.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Leon Einstein posted:

Packers are fool's gold. They've been exposed. Not having Adams or Williams is going to torpedo the offense, and the defense seems to be utterly incapable of stopping any run.

Looks like 8-8 is best case scenario.

I think some people are overreacting to a loss, kinda like we were overreacting a little to a string of wins. We were one tipped catch away from tying the game up last night, and Wentz's a really good quarterback.

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

SKELITON_BRINGING_U_ON.GIF
Run defense really needs work but the passing defense is fantastic. Offense sans never loving running looked good too.

Hopefully Adams isn't too hurt. Hopefully Williams didn't have his career ruined. Thursday games are lovely and I'm not going to take too much away from it. They had the ball within the five twice and ran once. The game was theirs to lose and they did.

Rod Hoofhearted
Jun 18, 2000

I am a ghost




Also, isn't there some weird stat for TNF where the team who has been with their coach the longest tends to win? It has something to do with the abbreviated time to practice/prepare.

Like opening the season with a Thursday night game is fine, but after that... there should only be Thursday games between two teams who had a bye the previous week.

Everyone knows TNF sucks.

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

i think the goal-line pass playcall is more sensible than the one in the seahawks-pats superbowl, since aaron jones ain't marshawn lynch and had been stuffed all game

or, rather, it would have been more sensible if they'd only done it once rather than repeatedly

THAT SAID i dont know why you're carrying a fullback and two blocking-specialist tight ends on the roster if you ain't gonna run the ball on short yardages

i understand that they favor williams over jones in short yardage situations and might've run it if williams hadn't got hosed up

but you can do other things with your personnel - maybe emulate the old bucs alstott package with vitale at tailback and lewis lead blocking or something

anyway rodgers is washed time to blow it up and rebuild

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

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PupsOfWar posted:

i think the goal-line pass playcall is more sensible than the one in the seahawks-pats superbowl, since aaron jones ain't marshawn lynch and had been stuffed all game

or, rather, it would have been more sensible if they'd only done it once rather than repeatedly

THAT SAID i dont know why you're carrying a fullback and two blocking-specialist tight ends on the roster if you ain't gonna run the ball on short yardages

i understand that they favor williams over jones in short yardage situations and might've run it if williams hadn't got hosed up

but you can do other things with your personnel - maybe emulate the old bucs alstott package with vitale at tailback and lewis lead blocking or something

anyway rodgers is washed time to blow it up and rebuild

Rodgers was lights out last game, he ain't washed

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

PupsOfWar posted:

i think the goal-line pass playcall is more sensible than the one in the seahawks-pats superbowl, since aaron jones ain't marshawn lynch and had been stuffed all game

he already had a td in the red zone from earlier in the game. it's one freaking yard, even aaron jones is reasonably likely to pick that up. or hell, give to the drat fullback who actually made some nice plays over the course of the game. or just go for a surprise quarterback sneak

Rod Hoofhearted
Jun 18, 2000

I am a ghost




PupsOfWar posted:

two blocking-specialist tight ends

I hope you're not counting Jimmy Graham as a "blocking-specialist" because, LOL!

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

LabyaMynora posted:

I hope you're not counting Jimmy Graham as a "blocking-specialist" because, LOL!

big bob can block! ive seen him do it!

latinotwink1997
Jan 2, 2008

Taste my Ball of Hope, foul dragon!


I think the coaches are outthinking themselves. They believe the other teams defense will expect the run on such a short distance so they try to be devious and throw it, when really a run is effective most of the time regardless of expectations.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


PupsOfWar posted:

i think the goal-line pass playcall is more sensible than the one in the seahawks-pats superbowl, since aaron jones ain't marshawn lynch and had been stuffed all game

or, rather, it would have been more sensible if they'd only done it once rather than repeatedly

THAT SAID i dont know why you're carrying a fullback and two blocking-specialist tight ends on the roster if you ain't gonna run the ball on short yardages

i understand that they favor williams over jones in short yardage situations and might've run it if williams hadn't got hosed up

but you can do other things with your personnel - maybe emulate the old bucs alstott package with vitale at tailback and lewis lead blocking or something

anyway rodgers is washed time to blow it up and rebuild

Just hand it to Vitale, the man is enormous and could've picked up a yard.

That said the pass would've been caught if not for two Eagles wrapping themselves around the receiver's arms

I'm not too worried.

Rod Hoofhearted
Jun 18, 2000

I am a ghost




SKULL.GIF posted:

I'm not too worried.

My worries:

Defense is exposed - can't stop the run. This should've been obvious after the Vikings and Broncos games, so it was somewhat inevitable. What can the coaching staff do to fix the run defense with the guys they have right now?

Jimmy Graham - Him catching some good passes and a TD last night means that they're going to keep trying to get him involved for the rest of the season, and for every good play he makes, he seems to make a boner play (which is a better good:boner ratio than last seasons at least?).

Running game - Packers need both Williams and Jones. If Williams is out, it looks like the running game is shut down.

Aaron Rodgers looks better every game, but he needs dudes he can through to, and Adams having a turf toe injury is going to have a huge impact for the rest of the season.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


LabyaMynora posted:

My worries:

Defense is exposed - can't stop the run. This should've been obvious after the Vikings and Broncos games, so it was somewhat inevitable. What can the coaching staff do to fix the run defense with the guys they have right now.

I think part of the issue here is that the defense has been selling out against the pass, so they're naturally going to give up a lot more running yards. The other part is broken tackles. The former is a conscious coaching decision, the latter I don't think can be coached fixable in only 2-3 months remaining.

One thing you didn't bring up that I was concerned about last night -- Preston Smith completely vanished in the game last night. Za'Darius had some pressures, Clark was eating up blocks, but I didn't see Preston's name called all night unless I missed it.

Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.
Packers gonna have to get another RB asap.

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

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Leon Einstein posted:

Packers gonna have to get another RB asap.

Don't we have Dexter Williams and Tra Carson on the PS?

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
Listen packer fans lafleur does not handle injuries well so expect more and more predictability as people go down unless Rodgers takes over

adaz
Mar 7, 2009

latinotwink1997 posted:

I think the coaches are outthinking themselves. They believe the other teams defense will expect the run on such a short distance so they try to be devious and throw it, when really a run is effective most of the time regardless of expectations.

If only there was some way to FAKE the run and then pass hrrm welp too bad

0 points out of 2 1 yard line opportunities is the worst.

Rod Hoofhearted
Jun 18, 2000

I am a ghost




Metapod posted:

Listen packer fans lafleur does not handle injuries well so expect more and more predictability as people go down unless Rodgers takes over

It seems like in the end our options were going to be either McDaniels, Caldwell, or LaFleur.

I still support the "mystery box" option.

Hizawk
Jun 18, 2004

High on the Lions.

Caldwell would have the Packers bound for the Superbowl.

Pops Mgee
Aug 20, 2009

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If only the Packers had access to some kind of tough run stopping player. I'm picturing someone with a name like Mark Danielson. Someone that you definitely shouldn't cut before the first day of camp.

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

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CLEAN THE SEAS
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Packers need to work out Dez Bryant if he's available and healthy.

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Whooping Crabs
Apr 13, 2010

Sorry for the derail but I fuckin love me some racoons

TITTIEKISSER69 posted:

Packers need to work out Dez Bryant if he's available and healthy.

Or lure Jordy out of retirement

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