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theflyingorc posted:...Biden did it explicitly in advancement of US interests??? And not just US interests either, but the interests of several EU nations and the IMF (who were also going to withhold money unless Ukraine got rid of Shokin, who we must point out, was corrupt as hell). It was not Biden doing this unilaterally to protect his son, as Trump has implied. This is a bit different from Trump saying "manufacture dirt on my potential 2020 opponent or i'm not giving you any money", although an argument can be made that it's still shady to go to the lengths that several nations did to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor.
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bird cooch posted:I keep asking you to point these people out theflyingorc posted:Are...you familiar with how rich people work? This is what most board members do, and there are a shitload of companies with board members out there. Xombie posted:People who are powerful and rich enough to run for major public office and win are, invariably, going to end up with successful and rich children. Looking "poorly" on them because their children are successful is, once again, not a winning issue. It isn't even rational.
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theflyingorc posted:I'm not arguing that Biden has done nothing wrong - I don't like the guy, of course he's done lots of lovely things, and I desperately want him to lose the primary. But the prosecutor thing - the part everyone is referring to on TV? Wasn't corruption, doesn't even make sense that it would be.
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it's been pretty funny seeing ben "never trump" shapiro keep lying about this. https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1177593402268848128
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Aspergeoisie posted:Let me know when you have anything more than a crime invented by way of investigating other supposed crimes that never happened, none of which Trump was ever or will ever be charged with committing. I've definitely noticed that the obvious disinfo agents (and that's what Aspergeosie here is) that wander into this conversation typically have the following profile: <1000 posts and either a very recent regdate or an inactive account from 2009. IIRC wasn't there some sort of event back in 2009 that caused the forums to adopt the current insane requirements for default passwords? I'm asking because it really looks like there is a pack or two of 2009 era accounts floating around somewhere on the Darknet.
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ryde posted:Obstruction is still obstruction and illegal even if you are not charged with the original crime being investigated. Yeah, but even the most intellectually basic people in the real world can see that sort of thing as the complete bullshit that it is. Only extreme leftist ideologues out-of-step with most Americans would see charging Trump with obstruction (or really any supposed crime he's committed) as a good thing. At the end of the day Trump's just enduring the same kind of attacks that George W did. All Democrats have done in the decade since W is escalate their baseless rhetoric from "this president must be impeached!" to actually doing it. The tactic may be good to motivate their fringe idiots, but it's not good for the Republic to try and force impeachment every time a Republican is elected simply as revenge for Clinton's impeachment. Everyone who isn't hyper-partisan realizes that's what's happening and thinks it's dumb as hell. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Also just lol if in the middle of probably the biggest presidential (or hell political period, for that matter) scandal of the last century your main concern is 'but what about that last vice president' If it's really important to you, go make a thread about it. It just looks stupid in here rn
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VitalSigns posted:Getting a job because your family is rich isn't nepotism? Correct. quote:What is nepotism then, or does nepotism not exist. Nepotism is hiring your own family members.
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Dammerung posted:What would you say the top 5 serious issues with Joe Biden this month are? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I'm just not sure what you're referring to. He keeps mumbling like a crazy old man and saying weird things to women, for starters. I mean - he's a terrible, terrible candidate. But he didn't get this prosecutor fired to protect his son, it doesn't make any sense. MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Does it only count as corruption if it happened before? Seriously asking, because while the timeline isn't in dispute, the idea that since he called for that investigation after the fact, that therefore everything must be above board, seems a little suspect. Like I suppose it precludes the idea of a direct quid pro quo, but the prosecutor's actions the year before still could have influenced that: it could still be petty revenge, it could still serve to send a message, etc. If Biden got him fired WHILE he was investigating, or if he dropped the investigation and then Biden dropped the pressure on him, that would make sense. By the way, the potential for those things to happen are why Hunter shouldn't have taken that job - if he hadn't stopped investigating, Joe wouldn't have been able to push against him without having a conflict of interest. theflyingorc fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Sep 27, 2019 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's been pretty funny seeing ben "never trump" shapiro keep lying about this. How can there have been a cover-up if we failed to keep the report we covered up from leaking to the press
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Prester Jane posted:I've definitely noticed that the obvious disinfo agents (and that's what Aspergeosie here is) that wander into this conversation typically have the following profile: <1000 posts and either a very recent regdate or an inactive account from 2009. The KGB is not on Something Awful.
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I, in no way, defended the fact that capitalism works to the unfair benefit of people who are already rich. Just because people disagree with your argument doesn't mean that they stand for everything you don't. Expecting powerful politicians to have unsuccessful, poor children is not at all an argument you can make in our economic system. It simply doesn't function that way.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:This is some straight up tinfoil hat poo poo. Well of course not, the KGB hasn't existed since 1991  I'm just ribbing, I know what you meant.
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VitalSigns posted:How can there have been a cover-up if we failed to keep the report we covered up from leaking to the press it's like saying nixon didn't try to cover anything up since he released the tapes.
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Prester Jane posted:I've definitely noticed that the obvious disinfo agents (and that's what Aspergeosie here is) that wander into this conversation typically have the following profile: <1000 posts and either a very recent regdate or an inactive account from 2009. lmfao. This is why LF was better.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1177669563477118976 This gaslight is turning into a nuclear inferno.
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theflyingorc posted:He keeps mumbling like a crazy old man and saying weird things to women, for starters. Oh, absolutely! Whatever's happening with his son really doesn't even relate to him, let alone the current events regarding the Trump administration.
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Sep 27, 2019 21:00
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Huh, a ratioed Trump tweet. Now we know just how stupid they have to be for that to happen.
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Thread title. Holy lol.
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Xombie posted:Correct. So if I say "hey I would take it as a close personal favor if you hired my failson" that isn't nepotism to you. What is it then, merit?
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Donald J Trump, a president who extorted a foreign power to dig up dirt on a political rival based on a conspiracy theory, is now peddling that conspiracy theory without any proof in an ad that looks like it’s right out of a local city council race.
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Angry_Ed posted:Well of course not, the KGB hasn't existed since 1991
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Mummy Xzibit posted:How is this still up? As in, "why hasn't Trump delete the embarassing tweet yet?"? Putting aside the fact that it's probably illegal for him to delete tweets (not that that would stop him), Trump's only reaction to mockery is to double down. Him deleting the tweet would probably be one of the more shocking and/or surprising thing he's done in a while, even considering the insanity of the last week. Aramis fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Sep 27, 2019 |
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Rent-A-Cop posted:This is some straight up tinfoil hat poo poo. considering the kgb doesn't exist period ima go ahead and rate this as 2.5 pinnochios Aramis posted:As in, "why hasn't Trump delete the embarassing tweet yet?"? Putting aside the fact that it's probably illegal for him to delete tweets (not that that would stop him), Trump's only reaction to mockery is to double down. Him deleting the tweet would probably be even more shocking and/or surprising thing he's done in a while even considering the insanity of the last week. I'm almost positive that trump has never actually admitted fault about anything ever. I can't think of a single video where he acknowledged doing something wrong. Seeing himself as doing anything other than perfectly just isn't how he engages with the world.
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Aspergeoisie posted:Yeah, but even the most intellectually basic people in the real world can see that sort of thing as the complete bullshit that it is. Only extreme leftist ideologues out-of-step with most Americans would see charging Trump with obstruction (or really any supposed crime he's committed) as a good thing. See now you're trying to pack as many buzzwords/outer narratives into your post as possible, but you're doing it extremely inartfully. You're not a True Believer, you're trying to imitate a true believer based on some sort of text book format you've been taught to emulate. Someone must just be pouring money into disinfo narratives if our particular (obscure) corner of the internet justifies this level of human attention.
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Xombie posted:Correct. Usually goes Nepotism -> Cronyism -> Favoritism for how far out one goes.
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mistaya posted:Please tell me the President of the United States knows the difference between a hyphen and an apostrophe... He doesn't. He's real dumb.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:This is some straight up tinfoil hat poo poo. Good thing I never said it was the KGB then. I have no idea whose funding such things, because at this point basically every state and corporate actor has some sort of apparatus setup to drive disinfo campaigns on the internet. The vast majority of its done through bots on social media, but that's hardly where it all ends.
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VitalSigns posted:So if I say "hey I would take it as a close personal favor if you hired my failson" that isn't nepotism to you. There is absolutely no evidence or even allegation that's what happened. Again: Hunter Biden was already rich and successful when they hired him.
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CascadeBeta posted:The amount of people willing to do Trump's job for him by carrying water on the Biden conspiracy theory is kind of pathetic. It's been debunked and has no basis in reality. The investigation into Biden's son was shuttered a year before the prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, was fired. Biden says pressed for Shokin's firing because of his corruption and refusal to prosecute the old regime's crimes. The fact of the matter is that, if this grand conspiracy theory is true that Biden got Ukraine to boot Shokin to protect his son, then the next prosecutor, who has actually tackled corruption within the government, would be MORE likely to prosecute Burisma and compromise Hunter's position, not less. yeah. plus biden is sinking himself anyway with his own actions. he is sinking in the polls and the primary and his inability to change isn't saving him. i am not worried about him yet. Groovelord Neato posted:it's been pretty funny seeing ben "never trump" shapiro keep lying about this. Shapiro doesnt give a gently caress. he is a alt light grifter for old boom booms and they like trump so he has to defend his money source.
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I really hope there's a little town in some flyover state actually called Fucknutsville and they suddenly get a lot more media attention.
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Like the guy doesn't even know how capitalization works, is it a big surprise that he doesn't know how punctuation works
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Prester, he could just be a really lovely troll. This subforum has a tendency to be easily enflamed, and other areas of the forum know this.
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's been pretty funny seeing ben "never trump" shapiro keep lying about this. "How can there be any evidence when I refuse to acknowledge its existence?" Hear No Evil, See No Evil, Commit All The Evil. Prester Jane posted:I've definitely noticed that the obvious disinfo agents (and that's what Aspergeosie here is) that wander into this conversation typically have the following profile: <1000 posts and either a very recent regdate or an inactive account from 2009. "Doing it for the lulz" is a perfectly valid occam's razor explanation for this. (And the basis for a lot of the alt-right)
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Quit engaging with the trolls.
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Drunk Theory posted:Prestor, he could just be a really lovely troll. This subforum has a tendency to be easily enflamed, and other areas of the forum know this. He's always been an open Nazi. Aspergeoisie posted:I, and everyone I know and am related to, is willing to sell everyone else down the river because white people are being both systemically and socially assaulted.
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mod sassinator posted:I really hope there's a little town in some flyover state actually called Fucknutsville and they suddenly get a lot more media attention. Is it right next to Mianus?
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sean10mm posted:He's always been an open Nazi. Oh. Or that too I suppose.
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Drunk Theory posted:Prestor, he could just be a really lovely troll. This subforum has a tendency to be easily enflamed, and other areas of the forum know this. Check their profile. They have less than 400 posts total over the life of their decade-old account but suddenly decided to start effortposting in this thread.
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