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Condiv posted:i wouldn't call a white person claiming to be cherokee despite having zero ties to the cherokee nation clueless. i'd call it racist. Okay but how can you expect her to know about all that history when she was just a little girl of *checks notes* 70 years old who *flips page over* went to HARVARD?!
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Condiv posted:think that a person who well into her 70s still self-identified her and her family as cherokee Might wanna check your math there bud.
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Sep 28, 2019 17:13
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"Warren lying about her ethnicity for personal gain doesn't matter and didn't actually help her that much!" claims increasingly nervous liberals.
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Sep 28, 2019 17:15
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HootTheOwl posted:Might wanna check your math there bud. Isn't there video of her in 2012 saying that she is definitely Cherokee because she phrenologized her cheekbones. Is your defense "she was only 63 when she was saying dumb racist poo poo  "
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Sep 28, 2019 17:19
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Speaking of Oklahoma, have any of the candidates commented on Sharp vs Murphy? It's a monumental case that seems to get barely any discussion.
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Sep 28, 2019 17:20
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The most eye-narrowing thing with Warren's claims is that despite how much that ancestry supposedly meant to her she sure didn't have any loving interest in involving herself with Native American causes - DAPL being the most glaring recent example. It makes it extremely hard to view it as anything more than her primarily seeing it as a bonus tool for networking.
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Sep 28, 2019 17:20
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VitalSigns posted:Isn't there video of her in 2012 saying that she is definitely Cherokee because she phrenologized her cheekbones. I'm not defending her, I'm getting in a cheap shot over a typo.
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Oh Snapple! posted:The most eye-narrowing thing with Warren's claims is that despite how much that ancestry supposedly meant to her she sure didn't have any loving interest in involving herself with Native American causes - DAPL being the most glaring recent example. It makes it extremely hard to view it as anything more than her primarily seeing it as a bonus tool for networking. That's what separates her from Dolezal really, Dolezal was actually an activist for the minority community she started pretending to be a part of. Warren was just doing it to get ahead in her professional career
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Sep 28, 2019 17:22
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Condiv posted:i'd like to point out that the town warren grew up in, norman oklahoma, was a KKK stronghold for a very long time, and was definitely a KKK stronghold when warren was growing up there. I remember one of my professors talking about how his family had to leave norman shortly after moving there because they received anonymous threats against them. one of the streets near the university of oklahoma is literally named after a member of the KKK (and one of the first four professors in OU, edwin debarr). What ethnic, religious, or political group did your professor fall into that caused his family to receive death threats? The KKK, while not exclusive to the South, had a long history of being active in the South without driving out or killing every minority in the state. While being NA would be enough to draw the ire of racists, it's not like they were 24/7 attacking every minority in existence.
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Sep 28, 2019 17:22
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SimonCat posted:What ethnic, religious, or political group did your professor fall into that caused his family to receive death threats? The KKK, while not exclusive to the South, had a long history of being active in the South without driving out or killing every minority in the state. While being NA would be enough to draw the ire of racists, it's not like they were 24/7 attacking every minority in existence. Dude...
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Sep 28, 2019 17:27
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time to up the tax. https://twitter.com/adam_tooze/status/1177980278301745152
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SimonCat posted:What ethnic, religious, or political group did your professor fall into that caused his family to receive death threats? The KKK, while not exclusive to the South, had a long history of being active in the South without driving out or killing every minority in the state. While being NA would be enough to draw the ire of racists, it's not like they were 24/7 attacking every minority in existence. african american. as for "maybe the white-supremacist KKK tolerated native americans this one time???", considering their history i think we should go ahead and assume the KKK was racist against non-whites until proven otherwise. also, i'd note that we're talking specifically about the KKK driving minorities out of a kkk stronghold town, norman oklahoma, and not out of the state of oklahoma. Condiv fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Sep 28, 2019 |
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Sep 28, 2019 17:31
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Captain_Maclaine posted:You might want to sit down because this will shock you, but their class interests would also be threatened by a Sander's presidency, thus they've not reason to disclose such things! It was pretty obviously a rhetorical question but thanks for the content warning.
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Sep 28, 2019 17:31
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Read this https://benjaminstudebaker.com/2019/09/27/the-left-press-is-failing-bernie-sanders/
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Sep 28, 2019 17:34
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bowser posted:No, but it makes an easy rallying cry. "But her emails" and "lock her up" will be replaced by "Pocahontas" and wearing face paint while impersonating tribal war cries. So you're saying it might cost him Georgia and Florida. Though, threatening to drain the swamp didn't seem to hurt him as bad as I thought last time.
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Sep 28, 2019 17:34
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Maybe we should be voting by who does the funniest trump impersonation.
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Sep 28, 2019 17:35
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the_steve posted:"Warren lying about her ethnicity for personal gain doesn't matter and didn't actually help her that much!" claims increasingly nervous liberals. it didn't help her, despite her exclusively using that identification when it would benefit her and literally never using it when it would help the community like say doing work on reservations or advocating for native rights issues or the like.
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Sep 28, 2019 17:36
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bowser posted:No, but it makes an easy rallying cry. "But her emails" and "lock her up" will be replaced by "Pocahontas" and wearing face paint while impersonating tribal war cries. so you're saying that the trump base will just go full racist yellow-face and the election will likely result in lovely sports teams finally dropping Native Peoples mascots?
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Sep 28, 2019 17:37
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Condiv posted:african american. as for "maybe the white-supremacist KKK tolerated native americans this one time???", considering their history i think we should go ahead and assume the KKK was racist against non-whites until proven otherwise. Ok, I misunderstood.
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SimonCat posted:The KKK, while not exclusive to the South, had a long history of being active in the South without driving out or killing every minority in the state. just to be clear this is literally white supremacist talking points. 'Sure the KKK is bad but they didn't literally murder anyone they found darker than mayonnaise so who's to say?'
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Ytlaya posted:The question isn't if they're undervaluing them, but how much they are. They need to be undervaluing them by quite a bit for Sanders to make up the difference. I hope this is the case. For anecdotal reasons I'm pessimistic. Anecdotally my parents are former 2016 Bernie supporters who seem to be under the impression that he's not a major candidate this time around and now like Warren. And they aren't exactly upper-middle class; mom was a first grade teacher and dad was an x-ray tech who made even less than her. I wouldn't be surprised if the media successfully manages to wipe out Bernie's >50 support by painting the election as mainly between Biden and Warren. Basically, if almost no one over 50 votes for Bernie, even a dramatically higher youth turn-out won't be enough. It scares me because I've seen first-hand the extent to which the media can control how people perceive these candidates. Maybe you should explain to them why voting for a racist white lady who literally took a DNA test is bad?
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SimonCat posted:While being NA would be enough to draw the ire of racists, it's not like they were 24/7 attacking every minority in existence. What exactly is your point, man?
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Chilichimp posted:What exactly is your point, man? The point I was making, though it was clarified through further conversation, that her family's continued residence in a racist area is not evidence that they did not think of themselves as having NA ancestry or wouldn't claim that if asked.
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Sep 28, 2019 17:46
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Majorian posted:Yeah, the good part about this is that, outside of people who are already #NeverBernies, most voters absolutely loathe people like this. Jeet's only partially right here. Yeah, doofuses like you and I should canvas more than we post. But, the general vibe of Bernie v. the corporate media/wealthy/party elite is also what will turn out voters. It's not that people are engaged with CAP or MSNBC that much; it's that Bri Gray and Bernie and Nina Turner and all the other campaign surrogates can use that to say "see? they don't want you to have a better life, and Bernie is right -- they're rigging the system against you." Bernie is the synthesis of Obama and Trump. He's offering hope through his many "x for all" arguments and fostering hate for the elite. That combination is why he's crushing everyone else in donors and volunteers.
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Sep 28, 2019 17:46
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lol the leftists even in her own campaign are revolting against her
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Chilichimp posted:Maybe we should be voting by who does the funniest trump impersonation. That would almost certainly be Bernie. Part of the reason why I'm so excited for him to debate Trump.
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Sep 28, 2019 17:47
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17 dollars an hour plus cell phones for a 60 hour, high travel work week. Hell yeah, workers rights!!!!
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Sep 28, 2019 17:48
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ELO Musk posted:17 dollars an hour plus cell phones for a 60 hour, high travel work week. Hell yeah, workers rights!!!! wait til you see what the rest of the field pays
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i am the bird posted:Jeet's only partially right here. Yeah, doofuses like you and I should canvas more than we post. But, the general vibe of Bernie v. the corporate media/wealthy/party elite is also what will turn out voters. It's not that people are engaged with CAP or MSNBC that much; it's that Bri Gray and Bernie and Nina Turner and all the other campaign surrogates can use that to say "see? they don't want you to have a better life, and Bernie is right -- they're rigging the system against you." That's true, and I think Jeet would probably agree. I think his point is more, "Don't despair, don't get discouraged by this," etc.
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CelestialScribe posted:Warren’s NA stuff is just her being clueless - something all politicians have done at some point. The two aren’t comparable.
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Sep 28, 2019 17:55
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people would be more willing to believe warren was just a dumb white lady who never realized she was bullshitting if she literally ever did anything for the native community.
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Sep 28, 2019 17:57
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sexpig by night posted:people would be more willing to believe warren was just a dumb white lady who never realized she was bullshitting if she literally ever did anything for the native community.
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sexpig by night posted:people would be more willing to believe warren was just a dumb white lady who never realized she was bullshitting if she literally ever did anything for the native community. Hey now, that's not fair. She popularized the beloved Cherokee delicacy known as "Crab with Tomato Mayonnaise Dressing," which raised great awareness and brought numerous benefits to the Cherokee people.
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Sep 28, 2019 18:03
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Cool so $16/hr plus whatever you can skim off the top of the stipend by cheaping out on travel/phone expenses, and all you need to do is work yourself to death. What a lovely contract. Edit: I guess that's a good amount of vacation days assuming people are allowed to actually use them.
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Sep 28, 2019 18:11
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does this eliminate the unpaid interns or is she still doing that? considering the "health benefits remain the same as always" language, I'm guessing that's a no
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SimonCat posted:The point I was making, though it was clarified through further conversation, that her family's continued residence in a racist area is not evidence that they did not think of themselves as having NA ancestry or wouldn't claim that if asked. No offense to you, man, but I feel like your argument was attempting to downplay the horribleness of the KKK and I'd like you to honestly consider the thought process that brought you there. Majorian posted:That would almost certainly be Bernie. Part of the reason why I'm so excited for him to debate Trump. IDK if Bernie would actually do the impression though? It would hands down be the best, though.
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Chilichimp posted:IDK if Bernie would actually do the impression though? I mean, maybe not, but I think he's got the best chance of doing it at least. It sure as hell wouldn't be Warren or Biden.
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Majorian posted:I mean, maybe not, but I think he's got the best chance of doing it at least. It sure as hell wouldn't be Warren or Biden. Biden would 100% do it on a debate stage. edit: I don't want him to win, nor do I think he even can. My original post was a joke based on an earlier tweet posted of Biden doing the impression in front of donors or something. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Sep 28, 2019 |
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Chilichimp posted:Biden would 100% do it on a debate stage. He'd try and bomb so hard, it wouldn't even be funny. I'd just feel sorry for him, and I don't want to feel sorry for Biden.
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