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Unimpressed posted:I'm sure thread darling Iran is incensed that those rogue low level Syrian army commanders jury rigged IRGC rockets to use chemical weapons without their knowledge. I mean even though it was just a light gassing, the socialist democracy of Iran won't stand for it. Iran is not a thread darling, if it were I'd have succumbed to acute irony poisoning by way of Iranposting edit: *belatedly realizes it should be Iran-y poisoning* Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Sep 27, 2019 |
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Kawasaki Nun posted:That uh, that wasn't a thing. People who opposed the invasion were definitely blasted as being selfish and unpatriotic pieces of poo poo who didn't care about liberating Iraqis from a tyrant who killed/gassed his own people though.
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Sinteres posted:People who opposed the invasion were definitely blasted as being selfish and unpatriotic pieces of poo poo who didn't care about liberating Iraqis from a tyrant who killed/gassed his own people though. Yep you never hear terms like "Defeatocrat" or "Cut and Run Democrats" these days but back in like 03-07 you heard it ALL the time on Fox News and from your racist uncle's. It was a fuckin dark time. Yet it feels almost quaint compared to today in a lot of ways.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:That uh, that wasn't a thing. *Ron Howard v/o* it was definitely a thing, but the American people's attempt to memory hole pretty much everything that happened between 2002 and 2007 was a remarkable success
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I was talking specifically about "Saddam lovers" as a term. I recall the sentiment around anti-iraq war protesters and outside of Fox News they weren't really blasted in the media all that regularly.
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Is the Dixie Chicks being called Saddam's Angels and getting blacklisted for speaking out against the war and being critical of Bush close enough?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv6KIzXBEvMClint Black posted:You can wave your signs in protest
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Btw, if we're going to blame a third party country for Assad's use of chemical weapons, Russia seems like the more appropriate party to blame given that they were a guarantor of the agreement they made with Kerry. It's just convenient to point the finger at Iran specifically because segments of the US foreign policy community actively want to go to war with them, and have for decades, as when the Reagan Administration provided Saddam with targeting information to fire chemical weapons at them.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:That uh, that wasn't a thing. Yes it was. Also, "freedom fries" was a thing, too. It's natural to be embarrassed, but that doesn't mean you can rewrite history.
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Cat Mattress posted:Also, "freedom fries" was a thing, too. Uhh, that was also not actually a thing, except in the cafeteria of Congress for like, two years, and as an easy joke for late night TV comedians. I am highly skeptical that you lived in the US in 2003-2005, and by like 2006 or so, the Iraq War had turned extremely unpopular domestically. E: Looks like it became unpopular pretty gradually, with no real 'when it became unpopular' date; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_George_W._Bush#/media/File:George_W_Bush_approval_ratings.svg god drat, Bush was such a loving awful president) Saladman fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Sep 28, 2019 |
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No, freedom fries was deffo a thing. As was anger if you didn’t support war at many levels. Source, brown college immigrant who lived through it and had to get special fingerprinting, profiling and everything. These very dead gay forums were full of a bunch of fanatical conservatives too and DnD had a bunch of drama.
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Saladman posted:Uhh, that was also not actually a thing  defo was a thing in my corner of rural 'Merica at the time. 
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Delta-Wye posted:
Quite possibly the most ignorant people on the planet.
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Saladman posted:Uhh, that was also not actually a thing, except in the cafeteria of Congress for like, two years, and as an easy joke for late night TV comedians. It existed in upstate NY, and despite your oddly pointed hot take of someone not living in the US early 2000s; well, you sound like a dick.
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American memory holing - "If I don't remember being exposed to it in my daily life, then it must not have happened."
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Saladman posted:Uhh, that was also not actually a thing, except in the cafeteria of Congress for like, two years, and as an easy joke for late night TV comedians. The switch to "Freedom Fries" was actually inspired by a restaurant in North Carolina called Cubbies and a number of restauraunts around the country followed suit and also renamed their French Fries to freedom fries. Here's a good example featuring a franchise with 200 locations: quote:Fuddruckers Jumps On 'Freedom Fry' Bandwagon
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An American friend of mine bought Freedom Fries at a ball game just a couple months ago. I told her I was appalled; but then had to explain where the term came from.
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Freedom Fries ain't free.
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Saladman posted:I am highly skeptical that you lived in the US in 2003-2005 Spoiler warning, you don't need to live in the US to have access to the Internet. Even back in 2001, the Internet was available outside of America. I know, it's a shock, American tourists are always dumbfounded when they find out we actually have electricity and cars, as they seem to assume the rest of the world is stuck in neolithic-era technology.
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Gatts posted:No, freedom fries was deffo a thing. As was anger if you didn’t support war at many levels. Source, brown college immigrant who lived through it and had to get special fingerprinting, profiling and everything. These very dead gay forums were full of a bunch of fanatical conservatives too and DnD had a bunch of drama. we've memory holed it well enough that people who became politically aware after it have no response but "huh? what? no way, that sounds dumb, if you say that happened you've got to be lying to try to make America look bad" getting old enough to watch these political cycles happen in real time sucks rear end!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Is43K6lrg https://www.democracynow.org/2003/5/21/new_york_times_reporter_chris_hedges The entire country lost it's loving mind and treats bringing up those years like you're bringing up the time they shat their pants at a party.
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It was in some odd ways dumber than the current era.
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Internet hyperbole might lead you to think freedom fries were everywhere. But they wern't. It was chud culture and niche even there. I didn't realize it was Bob Ney who lead the charge on it though. What a fucknut that guy was. " March 2013, Ney released his memoir, Sideswiped: Lessons Learned Courtesy of the Hit Men of Capitol Hill.[61][62][63] Ney currently serves as political analyst for Talk Media News[64] and regularly appears remotely on the Thom Hartmann Program" Wingnut welfare is real!
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Gatts posted:No, freedom fries was deffo a thing. As was anger if you didn’t support war at many levels. Source, brown college immigrant who lived through it and had to get special fingerprinting, profiling and everything. These very dead gay forums were full of a bunch of fanatical conservatives too and DnD had a bunch of drama. Looking back, it's almost unbelievable how much the political alignment of D&D has changed since then. With posters like FaaQ, Voice of Reason and others of their ilk completely dominating the discourse after 9/11, the prevailing atmosphere around here during the Bush years was honestly... fascist? I hesitate to use that word, but it's also very hard to adequately describe to D&D newcomers how negatively charged this whole place used to be. It even bled over into supposedly non-political discussions, like when the Chinese were about to send Yang Liwei into space as their first ever astronaut. The usual suspects felt the need to comment with things like 'Looking forward to him freezing to death in his knock-off Soyuz!', and so on, and so on. Just awful people with a completely unprovoked disdain for the rest of the world and half of their own citizens. Something Awful will likely never return to the height of its popularity, but I still think that internally, it has improved by a lot over the years. 
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Grape posted:It was in some odd ways dumber than the current era. yeah for all the current era is insane, and the #resistance is a pathetic joke as far as opposition goes, the opposition at least exists. there is a space in public discourse to talk about how the monstrosity we're currently unleashing is bad and should be opposed. it is possible for the Sensible Voices of Liberalism (tm) to discuss how the Republican agenda is bad, as opposed to back when the exact same people (wave hello, Ezra Klein and Jonathan Chait) were proclaiming any opposition to war fringe lefty insanity. for a few shining, beautiful years, there was bipartisan consensus, born of unconditional submission to the Republican agenda. sure, it ended in a maelstrom of human suffering that may never be truly healed, a waste of such cataclysmic proportions that it is difficult to comprehend, but back when they knew their places as junior partners they could go out for drinks with their republican counterparts without fear of public opprobrium. and you can't put a price on friendship.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:yeah for all the current era is insane, and the #resistance is a pathetic joke as far as opposition goes, the opposition at least exists. there is a space in public discourse to talk about how the monstrosity we're currently unleashing is bad and should be opposed. it is possible for the Sensible Voices of Liberalism (tm) to discuss how the Republican agenda is bad, as opposed to back when the exact same people (wave hello, Ezra Klein and Jonathan Chait) were proclaiming any opposition to war fringe lefty insanity. I was too young to be fully aware of the discourse until around 2004 with the election, by which points the Dems had kinda actually taken their stances rather than simply cowered. I'm glad I missed the full extent of that though I do vaguely recall it. But even 2004 on the Dems just always seemed.... weak in some way. Even in their opposition, it always seemed rubbery and fearful. God bless modern times if for no other reason then 
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Gimmick Account posted:Looking back, it's almost unbelievable how much the political alignment of D&D has changed since then. With posters like FaaQ, Voice of Reason and others of their ilk completely dominating the discourse after 9/11, the prevailing atmosphere around here during the Bush years was honestly... fascist? I hesitate to use that word, but it's also very hard to adequately describe to D&D newcomers how negatively charged this whole place used to be. It even bled over into supposedly non-political discussions, like when the Chinese were about to send Yang Liwei into space as their first ever astronaut. The usual suspects felt the need to comment with things like 'Looking forward to him freezing to death in his knock-off Soyuz!', and so on, and so on. Just awful people with a completely unprovoked disdain for the rest of the world and half of their own citizens. Libertarians, dude. The name is libertarians.
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i was born in 1996 and one of my earlier memories of school was in first grade (so 2002) a hispanic classmate being called a "sand-n****r" by a large group of kids because they thought he was middle-eastern.
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Man, I remember going to my first rock concert when I was I think 13 or 14, so 2004 or so, and the random pauses between sets for the local radio rock station guys to come out and brag about the troops in whatever battle had just taken place, I think it was Ramadi, and then starting up USA chants was, in retrospect, really loving surreal. Jesus what a weird time, not that the present is much better
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Kanine posted:jesus camp is an amazing snapshot of what large swaths of america were like in 2007, as well as a good insight into how trumps base developed over the last few decades leading up to his election. Trump's base were old racists in 2007, and now they are older racists. The difference is they were less overt about it, but still all about it. They enjoyed 9/11 because they had a target they could fairly openly be racist to, and Trump is even better because he encourages open racism toward all the targets they want, and even worse racism against the ones from 9/11. I don't think Jesus Camp has much to do with anything but why Evangelicalism is dying out.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Freedom Fries ain't free. 
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:we've memory holed it well enough that people who became politically aware after it have no response but "huh? what? no way, that sounds dumb, if you say that happened you've got to be lying to try to make America look bad" I've got a 75 year old "adopted" Jewish uncle/family friend who reminds me part of the reason why Republicans and Conservatism got into power is because people tend to forget or pass on from the memory of what they did before and who they were about so they got a foothold again. The only hope is with media and the internet being what it is, that such poo poo is never forgotten and they lose a generation to kick start a move on. If people move on from unregulated/uncontrolled capitalism, 50 odd years later someone will go "Hay, things are okay now. Let's try this poo poo again but this time..." and then opens pandora's box and all corruption and poo poo comes flying out. EDIT: Remembering all those conversations and "debates" it was obvious the conservatives/libertarians/neocons etc. were wrong back then, supported racism, war, unrestrained capitalsim and they are wrong now and will always be wrong throughout history and it has also lead to current state of Trump being in power. You started with the Rise of Reagan and all of conservatism and what it is, leads to Trump. Conservatism needs to die and not infect other poo poo. It's also taken root in the Democratic party and we can see that from DNC/Pelosi/Clinton vs Sanders/AOC and Progressive. Gatts fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Sep 28, 2019 |
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Cat Mattress posted:Spoiler warning, you don't need to live in the US to have access to the Internet. Even back in 2001, the Internet was available outside of America. Way to explain an era of American history to people that lived through it. That you think observing headlines or whatever from across the world gives you an insight into the prevailing American culture of the day (as if that is homogenous to any significant degree) really explains all the nice hot takes you produce. Kanine posted:i was born in 1996 and one of my earlier memories of school was in first grade (so 2002) a hispanic classmate being called a "sand-n****r" by a large group of kids because they thought he was middle-eastern. Are you under the impression that lovely kids saying horrific racist poo poo is a product of the second gulf war?
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Way to explain an era of American history to people that lived through it. That you think observing headlines or whatever from across the world gives you an insight into the prevailing American culture of the day (as if that is homogenous to any significant degree) really explains all the nice hot takes you produce. You're dead wrong about basically everything you've posted about this topic
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Yeah, Kawasaki Nun, you're pretty much wrong about anything relating to this topic. And I was 18 in 2000 so it's not like I was too young to remember what was going on.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Way to explain an era of American history to people that lived through it. That you think observing headlines or whatever from across the world gives you an insight into the prevailing American culture of the day (as if that is homogenous to any significant degree) really explains all the nice hot takes you produce. quote:Are you under the impression that lovely kids saying horrific racist poo poo is a product of the second gulf war? Hmm, sounds like maybe Cat Matresses actually recalls the Bush era better than you do.
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That's a pretty good comedy post though so props. Like the set up of a dramatic "No! You cannot understand foerigner! Unless you LIVED it, BREAAAATHED it, let it FLOW across you!" *immediately undermines own point* ba dum tish
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"Sand niggers" heavily predated the W years (anyone remember 'Three Kings'?), and despite the general uptick in Islamophobia it was publicly repudiated and clamped down on by the Republican party at the time. The Chud/Racist wing of the party was relatively fringe conversationally at the time, and even people who were massive public racists later (i.e. Michelle Malkin, Pam Geller) generally practiced more decorum and deniability at the time.quote:Like the set up of a dramatic "No! You cannot understand foerigner! Unless you LIVED it, BREAAAATHED it, let it FLOW across you!" This is loving stupid for reasons which should be obvious. Try applying this to literally any other context and maybe you will understand. TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Sep 28, 2019 |
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The freedom fries was pathetic but kinda funny to me, but americans pouring Bordeaux wine into the gutter made me angry at the time; you're wasting good poo poo damnit!
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