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ThomasPaine posted:I hate teaching, what jobs can I do with a history PhD that involve me being left the gently caress alone 90% of the time Archivist? You and communism bitch can peg elderly duchesses together I was looking for archivist jobs w/ my history of science degree before I fell into the games industry. E: 404 entertaining fact or cat picture not found. Maugrim fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Sep 29, 2019 |
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I mean you can't really escape the social capital of going to auschwitz, it's perverse, sure, but socially it's not distinct from any other big famous place. Hence why everyone's taking selfies. People go to say they went. Charity tourism came up a couple days ago. Why wouldn't there be atrocity tourism? Or I guess, performative historical appreciation tourism?
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OwlFancier posted:I mean you can't really escape the social capital of going to auschwitz, it's perverse, sure, but socially it's not distinct from any other big famous place. Hence why everyone's taking selfies. People go to say they went. Charity tourism came up a couple days ago. Why wouldn't there be atrocity tourism? Or I guess, performative historical appreciation tourism? Lol am I the weird one for basically never taking photos when I go on holiday (I just sit around drinking and go to the odd museum mostly)
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ThomasPaine posted:Lol am I the weird one for basically never taking photos when I go on holiday (I just sit around drinking and go to the odd museum mostly) Nowadays yes! Because photos are for sharing on facebook and instagram, for your gamified social interaction where the number of likes you get is how well you did socialization. And coincidentally they get to run ads all around your holiday snaps, so you going on holiday is actually you working for facebook's advertisers, there is no rest, there is no peace, all aspects of your life are commodities upon the altar of capitalism, value can be extracted from every part of your existence! Hail Satan!
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OwlFancier posted:Nowadays yes! Because photos are for sharing on facebook and instagram, for your gamified social interaction where the number of likes you get is how well you did socialization. And coincidentally they get to run ads all around your holiday snaps, so you going on holiday is actually you working for facebook's advertisers, there is no rest, there is no peace, all aspects of your life are commodities upon the altar of capitalism, value can be extracted from every part of your existence! Hail Satan! Oh no
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And the gamification of social interaction also encourages people to engage with it pathologically, which is why you never log off, you always want to go back and get the epic dunks or photos for likes, it makes the production of content for the advertisers addictive, and viewing it too, constant 24/7 feed of engagement for your brain, everyone producing content for each other but all for profit and the profits all go to one place! Perfect capitalism! Supplant the basic human contemplation of self and others, replace it with metrics for you to maximise.
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OwlFancier posted:And the gamification of social interaction also encourages people to engage with it pathologically, which is why you never log off, you always want to go back and get the epic dunks or photos for likes, it makes the production of content for the advertisers addictive, and viewing it too, constant 24/7 feed of engagement for your brain, everyone producing content for each other but the profits all go to one place! Perfect capitalism! OwlFancier posted:log off
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ThomasPaine posted:Lol am I the weird one for basically never taking photos when I go on holiday (I just sit around drinking and go to the odd museum mostly) I fear I'm reaching the age where a holiday for me is sitting in the car in the car park, drinking tea from a flask and reading the Mail. Muttering about how nice the view was until someone parked their Transporter in front of me.
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Best museum on Nazism and fascism I've ever visited is one in Normandy that was set up by a French resistance fighter (although he was old and spent most of the time napping in French in the back by the time I visited) and his family. Some basic info on what happened where and how, how smuggling and supply lines worked, cool improvised weapons and stuff, but the best bits were What Nazis Were and Why People Collaborated. Some people will tolerate anything if it doesn't make their own lives harder.
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ThomasPaine posted:However I really don't think the way it is organised helped, as I said I felt a lot more in the Schindler museum because it was really well curated and actually had a proper historical approach rather than being (effectively) a nazi genocide-porn theme park which I genuinely think is what Auschwitz is becoming. It could and should be better, but it's not. You must have had a terrible guide. I went in June and thought it was one of the most moving places I've ever visited. I read Primo Levi and Olga Lengyel on the bus there and back which really helped contextualise things.
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Tourist visits to sites of historical atrocities are always a weird and disconcerting experience. I recently went to Hiroshima in Japan with a small tour group and we spent the afternoon visiting sites in the city and the museum to The Bomb there. It feels strange to stand as a tourist on a place where lots of people died horrifically. The vibe in Hiroshima was not one of blame or recrimination, but of a strong sense of 'Never Again'. The message was that Atomic bombs have such horrific immediate and long term effects that were so poorly understood when they were used, that humans must never repeat that mistake. The museum was a strange experience. The pictures, artifacts and stories told in it were extremely confronting, but it was crowded and it was hard to really absorb everything presented there. A solo visit with unlimited time would probably have broken me. As it was the visitors were hushed and probably overwhelmed, the museum did not shy away from showing the devastating effects. I think it's important though that people visit places like Hiroshima and Auschwitz no matter how uncomfortable they make us feel. I think we need to see. This is maybe a bit rambley and incoherent, I'm not sure I've sorted out out myself how I felt about the place myself yet.
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Saigons war museum is probably the worst place I've been for disconnection, watching smiling American backpackers taking selfies gleefully smiling next to photos of children suffering from deformities from Agent Orange. Also knowing the British used the same chemicals against the Malaysians, but managed to bury the evidence.
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Guavanaut posted:Best museum on Nazism and fascism I've ever visited is one in Normandy that was set up by a French resistance fighter (although he was old and spent most of the time napping in French in the back by the time I visited) and his family. Some basic info on what happened where and how, how smuggling and supply lines worked, cool improvised weapons and stuff, but the best bits were What Nazis Were and Why People Collaborated. Some people will tolerate anything if it doesn't make their own lives harder. One thing I learned in the Schindler museum was that krakow had a very large German minority that weren't so much second class citizens but were Others, and they often saw the Nazi occupation as a kind of liberation and were super enthusiastic about Hitler - queuing down the street to but portraits etc. A lot of poles got on board too which always seems odd to me given official Nazi doctrine on slavs but there you go. As you say though, the most toxic demographic and in practice the one that enabled the whole genocide were the people who just looked the other way so long as it wasn't them being victimised. It's the exact same impulse that leads people to pretend not to notice someone being abused on public transport or whatever - scary as hell because everyone can identify with that feeling and while I'm sure some of us would risk an argument or even a kicking on the night-bus, I can't even imagine the courage required to stand up and do the right thing when the aggressor has thousands of soldiers with machineguns and tanks, secret police, concentration camps, and is widely known for being extremely enthusiastic about using all of them. Necrothatcher posted:You must have had a terrible guide. I went in June and thought it was one of the most moving places I've ever visited. I read Primo Levi and Olga Lengyel on the bus there and back which really helped contextualise things. Maybe. I think it would have been better to just walk around not in a tour group, but as far as I could tell there were no individual tickets left for that day. I'm glad you got something out of it though! ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Sep 29, 2019 |
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Ratjaculation posted:Saigons war museum is probably the worst place I've been for disconnection, watching smiling American backpackers taking selfies gleefully smiling next to photos of children suffering from deformities from Agent Orange. Maybe in fifty years' time the Chinese Malaysians will have a museum about how awful it was, but I wouldn't hold your breath. Rip to Chin Peng.
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Helith posted:I recently went to Hiroshima in Japan I don't know if either of these are true but I always loved them as kind of twilight zone stories: 1) Woman working in a bank in central Hiroshima goes into the vault to do whatever, is hit by a huge shockwave and flung into the wall. Comes to and walks out to see the entire neighbourhood around her obliterated. Luckiest or unlukiest woman in the city? 2) guy on work trip to Hiroshima gets nuked but survives, thinks gently caress this I'm going home and drives back to... you guessed it, Nagasaki. Somehow survives the second blast too. Only person to get through both, lived to 93. Relatively happy story  E: turns out the second one is true. Guy called tsutomu yamaguchi. No idea about the first. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Sep 29, 2019 |
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The gift (no pun) shop has quite a selection of historical literature, as it happens. I agree the stammlager tour (the main camp) is a bit rushed, with timed groups and lineups. The walk around Birkenau felt less rushed, if possibly because so little of it remains, it's largely a grassy area. The ruined crematoria, the memorials, the long, slow walk from the railway platform to the gas chamber area. The watery place they asked us to stay on the path as the little pond was literally lined with human ashes and if you stepped on the grass you would be stepping on the dead... I have done quite a bit of reading on the Shoah, so I suspect my experience differed quite a lot from yours - I was seeing in person places I have read about or seen in pictures or diagrams many times - the basement cells, the wall, the fences.
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There was a book, “Merdeka!”, which was basically some Malaysian Chinese academic’s PhD thesis, that I read last time I was in KL. In it he gets extremely salty that the Malays didn’t join up with Chin Peng to put a Chinese ethnic minority in power, and also takes the opportunity to complain that the Malays were a bunch of lazy no-goods who didn’t want to kill themselves working in the tin mines like the industrious Chinese did, or to rise up against the British.
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Yeah, I've heard about the man in the second story before, I think I saw him interviewed somewhere. The woman's story I haven't heard before, but I could see it being true if the bank had a properly solid vault. The bomb was dropped right over the city centre (it caused no damage to any of the factories or docks which were 4km away from the drop site and were a vital part of Japans war effort) and a lot of the buildings were wooden so burnt immediately. A stone vault underground could have provided enough protection from the blast if it was nearer the outer edge of the blast zone. I think temps in the blast vicinity were in the thousands of degrees.
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OwlFancier posted:Nowadays yes! Because photos are for sharing on facebook and instagram, for your gamified social interaction where the number of likes you get is how well you did socialization. And coincidentally they get to run ads all around your holiday snaps, so you going on holiday is actually you working for facebook's advertisers, there is no rest, there is no peace, all aspects of your life are commodities upon the altar of capitalism, value can be extracted from every part of your existence! Hail Satan! This has been repeated to the point of cliche by now but it's no less true. Disconnecting from the loving tortuous world of Facebook was the single best change I've ever made for my mental health. I forget who said it, but it really is a self inflicted panopticon. Edit: also I don't really take photos as they just sit in my phone's memory, just drink and enjoy the moment.
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OwlFancier posted:RE: the podcast and the idea of forested recovery hospitals, there used to be, as far as I know, such a thing as convalescent hospitals which were basically facilities they packed you off to once you'd received the majority of your treatment, for you to recover, under observation. My grandmother apparently spent some time in one and she described it as being very forested. But as you note, that's not something they'd spend money on nowadays, need more car parks instead! There was something on radio 4 a while back talking about different methods of care outside of the usual, and the use of green spaces in hospitals was shown to have a measurably positive effect on recovery in long term stays. More green spaces in general would be good for the same reasons, i loving hate a purely urban landscape. I was a bit taken aback with how loving nice Pripyat looked (pre event obv) when I watched Chernobyl. Loads of open, green space surrounding the housing was drastically different from the usual lovely small private gardens or loving street parking you usually see here. quote:Shapira says he will remove anyone’s photo from his project — all they need to do is email him at undouche.me@yolocaust.de. Haha god drat that is 
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Plank Sanction posted:This has been repeated to the point of cliche by now but it's no less true. Disconnecting from the loving tortuous world of Facebook was the single best change I've ever made for my mental health. The problem is how people use social media. I mean obviously the platforms themselves are dreadful but I just decided I didn't want to reconnect with someone on the basis that I was in the same German class as them 20 years ago, or we worked in the same office and said hello occasionally in the break room. So my Facebook is just people I actually like and am interested in keeping up with combined with a couple of groups which are silly fun. And I mostly use it for just talking about music with friends, getting recommendations for new poo poo to check out, giving out recommendations, it's mostly inoffensive with the occasional rant in the replies of some friend of a friend who is gammony as gently caress. I preferred when I could keep up with those people on forums rather than social media, but unfortunately I lost that battle, forums are effectively dead or dying.
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StarkingBarfish posted:Yorkshire is hosting the cycling world champs this weekend, it is *pissing it down*, and this flag just popped up on the live feed: This is absolutely marvellous. The best cycling flag I've ever seen, & I'm including LUC who goes to every single Flanders race.
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Beefeater1980 posted:There was a book, “Merdeka!”, which was basically some Malaysian Chinese academic’s PhD thesis, that I read last time I was in KL. In it he gets extremely salty that the Malays didn’t join up with Chin Peng to put a Chinese ethnic minority in power, and also takes the opportunity to complain that the Malays were a bunch of lazy no-goods who didn’t want to kill themselves working in the tin mines like the industrious Chinese did, or to rise up against the British. Therein lies the rub: by 1955, the year Zhou Enlai announced at Bandung that the diaspora Overseas Chinese should owe their loyalty to their new countries, the Chinese were no longer a numerical minority on Peninsular Malaya. It was already the case that in the 1948 census that Malays only had a plurality - the Chinese and Indian diaspora communities put together outnumbered them. By the 1959 census, the Chinese alone had an outright majority. The Malay nationalists were never going to assist in their own erasure, not after dissolving the Malayan Union specifically over it There are socialists still salty about it in both Malaysia and Singapore...
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jBrereton posted:UCI has been on all week mate, tricky situation on the roads around Harrogate. Yeah, but the fun races have been this weekend. Women's yesterday was great. Today is just brutal for the men
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forkboy84 posted:The problem is how people use social media. I mean obviously the platforms themselves are dreadful but I just decided I didn't want to reconnect with someone on the basis that I was in the same German class as them 20 years ago, or we worked in the same office and said hello occasionally in the break room. So my Facebook is just people I actually like and am interested in keeping up with combined with a couple of groups which are silly fun. And I mostly use it for just talking about music with friends, getting recommendations for new poo poo to check out, giving out recommendations, it's mostly inoffensive with the occasional rant in the replies of some friend of a friend who is gammony as gently caress. One of the better social media decisions I made was muting every single news site and similar on facebook. It makes the site much closer resembles its early era where people posted about themselves rather than the constant stream of angry reactions to obvious hate-clickbait.
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Plank Sanction posted:This has been repeated to the point of cliche by now but it's no less true. Disconnecting from the loving tortuous world of Facebook was the single best change I've ever made for my mental health. The one thing I used to use it for was keeping up with special offers like the free keys on borderlands, events on whatever MMO I was playing, but that just feeds back into the stupid pollution of the timeline. Ideally I'd like to go back to when there were decent RSS feed subscribers but now it seems to be about algorithms generating things they think you'd like instead of being able to say specifically what you do want to know about. Like to keep up with stuff now you need to follow them on facebook or twitter to get updates, and when you do you get bombarded with stupid poo poo because everything has wacky woke social branding now. Holy poo poo she's so loving dumb. Even if this is a malicious yes-quote, she should know better than to give this kind of fodder to the press. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Sep 29, 2019 |
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OwlFancier posted:RE: the podcast and the idea of forested recovery hospitals, there used to be, as far as I know, such a thing as convalescent hospitals which were basically facilities they packed you off to once you'd received the majority of your treatment, for you to recover, under observation. My grandmother apparently spent some time in one and she described it as being very forested. But as you note, that's not something they'd spend money on nowadays, need more car parks instead! Look up Whittingham Hospital some time. It had an absolutely massive patient population, its own sports pitches, even a dedicated train station. When you're on the grounds you can't see much but lawns and trees, though that's mostly down to the huge size of the place.
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God Johnson is an annoying interviewee. Just saw him on Marr. All he does is talk over the interviewer and get louder when they try to interrupt. He's said before it's just a tactic to avoid questions, and none of the interviewers call him out on it.
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Kernel Monsoon posted:They tried but it's always going to be hard to top this fan fic: On his first day as PM, Corbyn should do a Dewey Defeats Truman pose with past front pages just spilling everywhere
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CGI Stardust posted:New season of Red Dwarf, I see They're all red Jeremy.
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