RPG Thread: SaGa Emeril Beyond

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Kagaya Homoraisan: Aug 28, 2019; You say, run away
Instead, you get scared
For the way that I feel
Drops out into all this disorder

That is not the context most of the time. Most of these people have never been noteworthy under their birth name but haha whoops there it is on Wikipedia! Also you cannot claim they are doing anything good faith when the people the article is about request their deadname not be used and get denied. Come on.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 03:51

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# ? May 27, 2024 20:34

The 7th Guest: Dec 17, 2003

jimmy wales gets mad on twitter when people tell him wikipedia is not a credible source

# ? Oct 2, 2019 03:51

Nemo2342: Nov 26, 2007; Have A Day; Nap Ghost

Barudak posted:

DQ11 having bosses have mp, waste turns if they are out of mp, and give me multiple ways to attack mp is quite nice.

Pacing is kind of screwy; please do this lengthy run back and forth self-contained quest, ok now do this dungeon that takes like 15 minutes and you just summarily get a quest item at the end and it has no relation to anything or story. Ok now back to running up and down a gotdang mountain except one time after a cutscene it warps you halfway back but only the one time.

Whatever I feel like Im probably nearing on the end of the first third of this game because theyve only recently mentioned the big bad which absolutely means they arent actually the final villain.

So what did you think of the end of the first Act?

# ? Oct 2, 2019 03:58

Neddy Seagoon: Oct 12, 2012; "Hi Everybody!"

Samuringa posted:

I don't know what a Metal Max is but people were talking about it a while ago

https://gematsu.com/2019/10/metal-max-xeno-reborn-and-metal-max-xeno-reborn-2-announced-for-ps4-and-switch-alongside-series-reboot-code-zero

Xeno: Reborn 1, 2 and Code Zero announced for the Switch and Ps4

"Based on the original Metal Max Xeno released for PlayStation 4 and PS Vita in April 2018, Metal Max Xeno: Reborn is a full remake that revamps everything from the game engine to various game systems. Players can look forward to enjoying the game anew, as well as the return of the battle dog Pochi."

If Xeno Reborn 2 is a wholly new game why is it not just called Xeno 2? :psyduck:

. Also is just me or do those screenshots look like they're missing a shader?

# ? Oct 2, 2019 03:58

Evil Fluffy: Jul 13, 2009; Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Looking at TERFs and suddenly the Log Cabin Republicans don't seem nearly as dumb (they're still very dumb though).

Mokinokaro posted:

Yeah but Crunchyroll (who literally paid for MRA wankbait Shield Hero to get an anime adaption) are SJWs who rewrote the Zombieland translation to pander to their diseased ilk.

(Let's ignore the Japanese being even more blatant about it)

Shield Hero could've been good if it dropped the whole "lets make the MC a brooding rear end in a top hat but make everyone even worse so he looks like he's good anyways" and just had a competent protagonist who had to put up with smug rear end in a top hat allies.

Though at that point it'd still have the slavery apologism and rapid-aged love interest which is its own kind of hosed up.

Evil Fluffy fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Oct 2, 2019

# ? Oct 2, 2019 03:59

Kagaya Homoraisan: Aug 28, 2019; You say, run away
Instead, you get scared
For the way that I feel
Drops out into all this disorder

As mentioned they are not even good or consistent about names for people who aren't trans. So how can the assumption be they are for people who are? And then the people directly affected by Wikipedia being bad have no say in how Wikipedia treats them. It's bad and people should not be crawling out of the woodwork to defend it.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 04:02

Evil Fluffy: Jul 13, 2009; Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

So has there been any indication from SE that they're happy with how DQXI (and DQB2) has done in the west on PS4/PC/Switch and if it means we could actually get some more games over here? Not expecting them to go back and translate Caravan Hearts or other past DQM games but hopefully the new DQM they're working on gets a western release.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 04:09

kirbysuperstar: Nov 11, 2012; Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

We're getting Dragon Quest of the Stars for some reason so things seem to be going pretty well

# ? Oct 2, 2019 04:09

Tae: Oct 24, 2010; Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

What game is still recent and japan only, we got goddamn left alive

# ? Oct 2, 2019 04:11

MechaX: Nov 19, 2011; "Let's be positive! Let's start a fire!"

I'm slightly tempted to see what neogaf has to say about the heatbeat stuff, but then again, the last time I was there, I read their reactions to Ellie from The Last of Us II being shown with some muscle and sweet loving christmas those fuckers are literal spill-overs from MRA forums or the_donald

But on a slightly more positive note, I am actually tempted to actually play an Atelier game for the first time ever. The series was always kinda down there with Neptunia in terms of games even I had no motivation to touch. Ayesha always looked the most interesting by far to me though, and Ryza... doesn't look too bad either. Here's hoping they both run pretty well on the Switch all things considered

# ? Oct 2, 2019 04:13

Snooze Cruise: Feb 16, 2013; hey look,
a post

off the top of my head the pictures for sad children page is especially lovely

# ? Oct 2, 2019 04:22

The 7th Guest: Dec 17, 2003

Tae posted:

What game is still recent and japan only, we got goddamn left alive

famicom detective club remake

but that's nintendo not SE

# ? Oct 2, 2019 04:33

Elephant Parade: Jan 20, 2018

I can understand including the deadname somewhere on the page for completion's sake, but it really shouldn't be in the opening paragraph. I guess I can understand it in the case of people who did most of what they're known for pre-transition, then transitioned long after falling out of the spotlight (e.g. Jennell Jaquays), but even then it'd probably be better to just mention it in "Early life and education" or whatever

# ? Oct 2, 2019 05:12

ROFL Octopus: Jun 20, 2014; LET ME EXPLAIN

Evil Fluffy posted:

So has there been any indication from SE that they're happy with how DQXI (and DQB2) has done in the west on PS4/PC/Switch and if it means we could actually get some more games over here? Not expecting them to go back and translate Caravan Hearts or other past DQM games but hopefully the new DQM they're working on gets a western release.

DQX is getting an update this month that includes scythes and necromancy and I�m forever salty we�re never getting the game.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 05:27

Tired Moritz: Mar 25, 2012; wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

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I heard the atelier annie sequel(?) was actually really good and I'm sad it never got localized.

Also Atelier Iris is pretty good imo. Has the best synthesis conversations by far, at least.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 06:41

Araxxor: Oct 20, 2012; My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20191002-00010002-teikokudb-ind

AlphaDream, the company that made the Mario and Luigi games, filed for bankruptcy.

https://twitter.com/imranzomg/status/1179257937187033089

Looks like the BIS remake bombing horribly was the biggest factor in all this. Seems like Nintendo heavily overestimated the 3DS' staying power.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 06:49

Endorph: Jul 22, 2009

man, nintendo really milked those guys for all they were worth and then tossed them aside, huh.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 07:01

SilverMike: Sep 17, 2007; TBD

Elephant Parade posted:

I can understand including the deadname somewhere on the page for completion's sake, but it really shouldn't be in the opening paragraph. I guess I can understand it in the case of people who did most of what they're known for pre-transition, then transitioned long after falling out of the spotlight (e.g. Jennell Jaquays), but even then it'd probably be better to just mention it in "Early life and education" or whatever

Or just don't deadname anyone. If you absolutely feel the need to know someone's deadname, go ask them yourself. No need for Wikipedia to appoint itself as a guardian of all names that have ever existed.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 07:06

Tired Moritz: Mar 25, 2012; wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

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drat it, should have supported the bowser vore game more.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 07:07

Cuntellectual: Aug 6, 2010

Tired Moritz posted:

drat it, should have supported the bowser vore game more.

It was good.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 07:52

Araxxor: Oct 20, 2012; My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

Endorph posted:

man, nintendo really milked those guys for all they were worth and then tossed them aside, huh.

Come to think of it, there was a post a long while back about Game Freak's strained relationship with Nintendo that gets put into an even darker light with this news.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 08:02

RareAcumen: Dec 28, 2012

cheetah7071 posted:

What the heck's an Atelier? A megapost for copying/pasting whenever someone asks that, as requested a few pages back before the current discussion started

Atelier is a series of JRPGs released roughly yearly with (as of this post) 20 (soon to be 21) mainline entries and a dozen spinoffs. The best words to describe the mood of (most of) the games are "cute" and "chill". They almost exclusively have low stakes like "stop the government from eminent domain-ing my small business" or "don't get fired from my job". You (almost always) play as a young woman starting her career as an alchemist. What this means in game terms is crafting. Lots and lots of crafting. You craft your own weapons and armor, you craft bombs to throw at the enemies, you craft healing items, you craft everything. The trend in modern games is to have the crafting be a fully-realized puzzle minigame where the outcome is shaped by the exact details of the items you put in. Besides the crafting, the gameplay is fairly standard turn-based JRPG fare, often with a subfocus on exploration. Some of the older games also have a time management component, of varying levels of difficulty. The games are also known for having kickass soundtracks and heavy lesbian undertones.

Most of the games are linked to each other in trilogies (or the occasional duology or quadrilogy). Generally speaking, you don't need to play a trilogy in order--they're designed to be playable individually (with varying levels of success). The series started on the original Playstation but it wasn't until the PS2 that the games started getting localized. The PS2 games are also huge outliers; in the PS3 era the series returned to its roots and the PS3 games are much more similar to the PS1 games than they are to the PS2 games. This means that the PS3 era is the start of the "modern" Atelier series. Thus, rather than talk about the series in chronological order, I'm going to talk about the modern games first and then go back to the older games.

Arland Quadrilogy (PS3/Vita/PC/PS4/Switch for the first three; PC/PS4/Switch for Lulua)

Atelier Rorona: A wholesome, charming game about an apprentice alchemist saving her master's failing business from being bought out. This game is a very laid-back, relaxed experience if you just want to get to the end and make some anime friends, but a very frantic experience if you want to make all the anime friends because there's a time limit. That time limit is extremely generous to just complete the game, but extremely tight if you want to 100% it. Also, content warning, there are a few scenes that are uncomfortably horny about underage characters. Also apparently the PS3 version is terrible and you should never play it. This is one of my recommended entry points to the series.

Atelier Totori: This game dials back the charm compared to Rorona, but in exchange has a heartfelt story about family. This game has in my opinion the second-best writing in the series. It's a bit janky though--when Rorona got ported, it got a bunch of quality of life updates, whereas Totori is a straight port, so it's the oldest-feeling of the modern games. It also has the tightest time limit of any of the modern games, and is the only one where a careful player faces a realistic chance of failure. Consulting a guide or asking for help is recommended.

Atelier Meruru: This game has a sort of frantic energy to it. You play as a princess using alchemy to provide infrastructure to her kingdom. The new characters besides Meruru herself are all pretty boring but it brings back all the favorites from Rorona and Totori. This game has a similar time limit to Totori but is a bit easier so there's less risk of failure. Also Rorona is inexplicably turned into an eight year old in this game, a move which nobody liked.

Atelier Lulua: This game came out a decade after Meruru and is a long form apology for what they did to Rorona in it. Rorona is now in her 30s and is a mom, and you play as her daughter. The game is written as a slapstick comedy and the first half has some great cinematograpy contributing to the comedic timing (before they realized that doing that for the entire game would run them way over budget). This game does not have a time limit.

Dusk Trilogy (PS3/Vita, soon to be PC/PS4/Switch)

Atelier Ayesha: This game wins my award for best-written Atelier. The game is in turns cute, heartwarming, funny, and deeply moving. You play as a young woman going on an adventure to learn alchemy in order to save her sister. This game can be a bit confusing at times on how to proceed and has a time limit, so I recommend using a guide if you ever find yourself stuck on what to do next. This is one of my recommended entry points to the series

Atelier Escha and Logy: This is another fan-favorite for its lovable cast. You play as two alchemists starting their career in government work. This game has a time limit but failure isn't very realistic.

Atelier Shallie: I don't even know how to summarize the story of this one. Tbh I don't like it all that much, it felt too much like it was trying to rely on the appeal of the previous Dusk games while not having anything worthwhile of its own, or a very good understanding of what made them great in the first place.

Mysterious Trilogy (PS4/Vita/PC; L&S is on the Switch as well)

Atelier Sophie: A young woman begins to learn alchemy under the instruction of a talking book who is her future wife. Unfortunately for her, her village is filled with only boring people for her to be friends with. Fortunately for her, new, less boring people move in eventually

Atelier Firis: An open world Atelier. You can really tell that all the development effort in this game went into doing their best to make an open world game, and the rest suffers for it. I personally think they pulled it off, but everybody else on the planet thinks this is the worst Atelier by a mile.

Atelier Lydie and Suelle: A return to form, this game feels like it could have been in the Arland trilogy, writing-wise. It has a lovable, colorful cast of characters and probably the best gameplay in the series to-date. This is one of my recommended entry points to the series.

Secret (?) Trilogy (?) (PS4/PC/Switch)

Atelier Ryza: As of the writing of this post, this game is out in Japan but not in English. It's good, apparently. The main character's thighs have propelled the series out of obscurity.

Iris Trilogy (PS2)

Atelier Iris: I haven't played this game since I was a teen but it's probably boring and bad

Atelier Iris 2: I have replayed this game so I know it's boring and bad

Atelier Iris 3: This game has charming-but-boring writing, but an unusually engaging battle system.

Mana Khemia Duology (PS2)

Mana Khemia: I'm the only Atelier fan who doesn't like this game so it must be doing something good. Play it maybe, and then tell me why I'm wrong for not liking it

Mana Khemia 2: I have not played this game.

Other stuff

Atelier Marie: The very first Atelier, available to play via a fan patch for the PS2 version. The entire game is time management.

Atelier Elie: The second Atelier, available to play also via fan patch. It seems to be Marie but better.

Atelier Annie: A DS game and officially considered a spinoff, though gameplaywise it seems to be basically mainline. Unfortunately, that gameplay is trash. It's a shame too because the writing is legitimately funny.

Nelke and the Legendary Alchemists: This is a crossover game. It is not a mainline Atelier, it is a spinoff. The genre is townbuilder, not JRPG. Don't play it unless you've played so many Ateliers that you'll recognize a good number of the crossover characters

Hooray, now I'm more informed about the series!

# ? Oct 2, 2019 11:05

Jerry Manderbilt: May 31, 2012; No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

Araxxor posted:

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20191002-00010002-teikokudb-ind

AlphaDream, the company that made the Mario and Luigi games, filed for bankruptcy.

https://twitter.com/imranzomg/status/1179257937187033089

Looks like the BIS remake bombing horribly was the biggest factor in all this. Seems like Nintendo heavily overestimated the 3DS' staying power.

i loved superstar saga and bowser's inside story as a kid and reading this makes me real sad

# ? Oct 2, 2019 11:58

AngryRobotsInc: Aug 2, 2011

The Daily Dot has picked up the whole Heartbeat thing going down.

Doesn't really have much new information, besides that Nikotine has doubled down, including using a slur. Classy!

# ? Oct 2, 2019 12:41

The Black Stones: May 7, 2007; I POSTED WHAT NOW!?

Samuringa posted:

I don't know what a Metal Max is but people were talking about it a while ago

https://gematsu.com/2019/10/metal-max-xeno-reborn-and-metal-max-xeno-reborn-2-announced-for-ps4-and-switch-alongside-series-reboot-code-zero

Xeno: Reborn 1, 2 and Code Zero announced for the Switch and Ps4

"Based on the original Metal Max Xeno released for PlayStation 4 and PS Vita in April 2018, Metal Max Xeno: Reborn is a full remake that revamps everything from the game engine to various game systems. Players can look forward to enjoying the game anew, as well as the return of the battle dog Pochi."

That game must have sold way better than they thought it would because it seems they�re going into it hard now.

Guess I�ll trade in my copy of Xeno. I�ll probably pick up the remake because I�d love to see if they managed to fix any of the jank, or improved the story at all. This is just really really surprising because I thought this series would probably be dead after Xeno, but good for them.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 14:13

Phantasium: Dec 27, 2012

Araxxor posted:

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20191002-00010002-teikokudb-ind

AlphaDream, the company that made the Mario and Luigi games, filed for bankruptcy.

https://twitter.com/imranzomg/status/1179257937187033089

Looks like the BIS remake bombing horribly was the biggest factor in all this. Seems like Nintendo heavily overestimated the 3DS' staying power.

makes me wish i liked more of the m&l games

although now that i think about it i haven't bought one of their games new since superstar saga (and also the remake strangely enough)

# ? Oct 2, 2019 14:27

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

They can probably still do it, the lovely sells probably has more to do with abIS honestly being a pretty bad remake

# ? Oct 2, 2019 15:08

Barudak: May 7, 2007

I dont even remember Bowsers Inside Story being very good the first go round for that matter

# ? Oct 2, 2019 15:38

Broken Cog: Dec 29, 2009; We're all friends here

BIS was good, but it was way too long iirc. It kinda overstayed its welcome near the end.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 15:42

Caidin: Oct 29, 2011

I liked Superstar Saga a whole heck of a lot, Dream Team was nice, and then the others were just okay.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 15:43

Jerry Manderbilt: May 31, 2012; No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

Superstar Saga was deffo an instant classic

# ? Oct 2, 2019 15:48

Elephant Parade: Jan 20, 2018

Barudak posted:

I dont even remember Bowsers Inside Story being very good the first go round for that matter

I played Bowser's Inside Story as a kid and foind it to be one one of my favorite games of all time; I played Superstar Saga as an adult and couldn't get into it. I think it's an age thing.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 15:54

Caidin: Oct 29, 2011

I will say the last boss of BiS had really good theme music and had some nice spectacle on Bowser's end.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 15:56

Broken Cog: Dec 29, 2009; We're all friends here

Yeah, the final boss was cool in that it was almost like a puzzle.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 15:57

Tae: Oct 24, 2010; Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

Physical numbers for top 3 are out for Japan.

[NSW] Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age � Definitive Edition (Limited Edition Included) (Square Enix, 09/27/19) � 303,204 (New)
[PS4] Code Vein (Bandai Namco, 09/27/19) � 60,843 (New)
[PS4] Atelier Ryza: Ever Darkness & the Secret Hideout (Koei Tecmo, 09/26/19) � 53,428

That means Ryza sold double in digital over physical (Total given was 150k~)

# ? Oct 2, 2019 15:59

Relin: Oct 6, 2002; You have been a most worthy adversary, but in every game, there are winners and there are losers. And as you know, in this game, losers get robotizicized!

Samuringa posted:

I don't know what a Metal Max is but people were talking about it a while ago

https://gematsu.com/2019/10/metal-max-xeno-reborn-and-metal-max-xeno-reborn-2-announced-for-ps4-and-switch-alongside-series-reboot-code-zero

Xeno: Reborn 1, 2 and Code Zero announced for the Switch and Ps4

"Based on the original Metal Max Xeno released for PlayStation 4 and PS Vita in April 2018, Metal Max Xeno: Reborn is a full remake that revamps everything from the game engine to various game systems. Players can look forward to enjoying the game anew, as well as the return of the battle dog Pochi."

neat, here's hoping this is playable

# ? Oct 2, 2019 16:06

OddObserver: Apr 3, 2009

Tae posted:

Physical numbers for top 3 are out for Japan.

[NSW] Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age � Definitive Edition (Limited Edition Included) (Square Enix, 09/27/19) � 303,204 (New)
[PS4] Code Vein (Bandai Namco, 09/27/19) � 60,843 (New)
[PS4] Atelier Ryza: Ever Darkness & the Secret Hideout (Koei Tecmo, 09/26/19) � 53,428

That means Ryza sold double in digital over physical (Total given was 150k~)

That's just PS4, so not necessarily.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 16:11

Tae: Oct 24, 2010; Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

OddObserver posted:

That's just PS4, so not necessarily.

Right, I forgot famitsu cuts it down to systems unlike NPDs. Switch physical sold 25k so it's close to a 50/50 split in physical and digital.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 16:14

Tales of Woe: Dec 18, 2004

switch version was undershipped/sold out and the 150k includes a second shipment that went out after the tracking period.

# ? Oct 2, 2019 16:24

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# ? May 27, 2024 20:34

Jerry Manderbilt: May 31, 2012; No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

It�s always been easier to track PS4 sales for Atelier iirc

Like I remember we didn�t really have concrete numbers for how well L&S sold on switch during its debut but we had some real anemic PS4 numbers

# ? Oct 2, 2019 17:35

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