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Cipher Pol 9 posted:It's like people read a rough outline of a novel and it sounded awesome but now they to wait and read through finished product bit by bit. By the same logic, you could call the manga a rough outline for the anime, but even if that were true it doesn't mean you have to prefer it. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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Schwarzwald posted:By the same logic, you could call the manga a rough outline for the anime, but even if that were true it doesn't mean you have to prefer it. But to your point, anime and manga are different mediums so I wouldn't compare the two. I can only compare ONE and Murata's versions because ONE is involved in both so one really is an expanded version of the other. To call any manga just an outline of its anime is an insult to the manga. That's like saying books are outlines of movies, they're adaptations not the same thing. And that's just in general, if you compare, for example, One Punch S2 to the manga it becomes downright offensive.
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Cipher Pol 9 posted:But to your point, anime and manga are different mediums so I wouldn't compare the two. I can only compare ONE and Murata's versions because ONE is involved in both so one really is an expanded version of the other. To call any manga just an outline of its anime is an insult to the manga. That's like saying books are outlines of movies, they're adaptations not the same thing. The manga is an adaptation of the webcomic. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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Honestly I vastly prefer the webcomic to the manga but I also prefer even more to have OPM instead of not having OPM so if having Murata's insanely powerful drawings consistently multiple times a year is the road to that I'll take it.
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# ? Oct 3, 2019 06:41 |
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Cipher Pol 9 posted:It's like people read a rough outline of a novel and it sounded awesome but now they to wait and read through finished product bit by bit. They know what happens and they're impatient to get to the good parts and the bits that got added in-between don't excite them as much because they know what is and isn't relevant to the upcoming plot twists or epic moments or whatever. As you haven’t read the webcomic, trust me that this is not really the reason at all. No one in the other thread complains about the new Metal Bat chapters, or new best girl Mizuki, which were completely original stuff. The problem is we can see events that happened in both versions, and judge the webcomic version was better. (The flashy flash fight, the child emperor fight, etc.) Or we can see brand new material that’s clearly not as good, like the tournament arc.
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# ? Oct 3, 2019 06:56 |
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Schwarzwald posted:The manga is an adaptation of the webcomic. Billzasilver posted:As you havent read the webcomic, trust me that this is not really the reason at all. No one in the other thread complains about the new Metal Bat chapters, or new best girl Mizuki, which were completely original stuff. I, for example, liked the tournament a lot. Other readers might not but my point is that SOME webcomic readers might have reacted more negatively to it than they would have normally because the lack of core plot progress and slow chapter release schedule was exacerbated by them knowing what comes next is being delayed because of it.
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# ? Oct 3, 2019 13:26 |
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Elentor posted:Honestly I vastly prefer the webcomic to the manga but I also prefer even more to have OPM instead of not having OPM so if having Murata's insanely powerful drawings consistently multiple times a year is the road to that I'll take it. Same. The actual difference is not good art/bad art, but Murata spending more time making stuff looking cool/awesome; which in my opinion harms the comedic pacing. If you don't care about that or think that it's an acceptable trade then more power to you, but that's what I view as the trade-off. (And as Elentor said, its good that both versions exist)
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# ? Oct 3, 2019 13:56 |
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What’s a shame is that Murata’s new stuff can have good comedic pacing as well. But the consistency isn’t nearly as good as ONE’s pacing.
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Cipher Pol 9 posted:It's the same story written by the same author, only expanded and drawn by a different artist. It's not a take on the original, it's the original but bigger. Its an adaptation but it's clearly different than a completely different person or staff doing their take on source material. This is not the case. While much of the plot is the same, the character motivations, the themes expressed, and the context at large are actually quite different between the two. For example, in the manga the Monster Association is a very openly destructive, very public menace, that's being acknowledged as a genuine threat by everyone, and while the heroes have their idiosyncrasies, they are sincerely giving their all to defeat the monsters. I think I can say without spoiling the webcomic too much that this is not the case in that version. The manga is distinct from the webcomic, it is not "the original but better."
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Schwarzwald posted:This is not the case. While much of the plot is the same, the character motivations, the themes expressed, and the context at large are actually quite different between the two. For example, in the manga the Monster Association is a very openly destructive, very public menace, that's being acknowledged as a genuine threat by everyone, and while the heroes have their idiosyncrasies, they are sincerely giving their all to defeat the monsters. I think I can say without spoiling the webcomic too much that this is not the case in that version. But I didn't say one is better, I said it was expanded, bigger, but not necessarily better. I hope I've been careful not to say that as 1) it's not what I want to say and 2) I've never read one of them so I have no right to make that judgment. Of course things are going to change when you have, or at least take, more time to tell the story and develop the characters. Whether that is a good thing or not depends on the end results and personal preference.
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# ? Oct 3, 2019 15:40 |
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I read the webcomic, then the manga, then watched the anime and liked all of it, and then I walk away to enjoy some other mountain of content, then come back now and then to catch up to a new pile of manga stuff That’s it that’s my secret
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# ? Oct 3, 2019 15:59 |
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Billzasilver posted:As you haven’t read the webcomic, trust me that this is not really the reason at all. No one in the other thread complains about the new Metal Bat chapters, or new best girl Mizuki, which were completely original stuff.
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# ? Oct 3, 2019 16:02 |
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I can admit when the manga is clearly better. I think the rover fights have had the best art and action of the entire series so far.
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Billzasilver posted:I can admit when the manga is clearly better. I think the rover fights have had the best art and action of the entire series so far. You sure you mean rover and not the cadres?
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# ? Oct 3, 2019 16:23 |
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Rover is a cadre
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# ? Oct 3, 2019 16:31 |
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People always say that the new content for the manga version is all storyboarded by one, but in spite of that it seems worse, consistently.
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A jargogle posted:People always say that the new content for the manga version is all storyboarded by one, but in spite of that it seems worse, consistently. Because you're being biased as a webcomic reader. Like when Murata was streaming he'd occasionally show off ONE's drafts. Of note is loving rat head Garou, the hall of stick figures, and the note near the girl that basically says "Murata make the girl look pretty."
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# ? Oct 3, 2019 17:56 |
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Where do I go to read the webcomic?
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# ? Oct 3, 2019 18:48 |
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skaianDestiny posted:Because you're being biased as a webcomic reader.
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Collapsing Farts posted:wow this is so much better than Muratas work, true genius As explained in the actual post: this isn't the webcomic, it's ONE doing storyboards explicitly for the Murata version
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# ? Oct 3, 2019 19:04 |
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One is the bestu artist
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# ? Oct 3, 2019 19:09 |
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skaianDestiny posted:Because you're being biased as a webcomic reader. I would think it more likely that just because it's the same author, that doesn't mean the new content is automatically as good. Stapling bits onto a story years after you wrote it doesn't sound conducive to a good outcome to me.
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ATP_Power posted:Where do I go to read the webcomic? Here for the translated version: https://mangadex.org/chapter/55347/1
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Schwarzwald posted:This is not the case. While much of the plot is the same, the character motivations, the themes expressed, and the context at large are actually quite different between the two. For example, in the manga the Monster Association is a very openly destructive, very public menace, that's being acknowledged as a genuine threat by everyone, and while the heroes have their idiosyncrasies, they are sincerely giving their all to defeat the monsters. I think I can say without spoiling the webcomic too much that this is not the case in that version. I disagree. The context does change somewhat (it's not a huge difference tbh) but character motivations and, more importantly, the themes expressed remain the same. The different context means you can read them differently (the hero association not taking the monster association super seriously, for example) but all the important parts (the hero association are over their heads) are still the same. Remember that ONE is the one behind the plot changes, I think he knows what parts of his characters and themes are most relevant and we can safely say this is how he wishes the story had been originally told in hindsight.
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A jargogle posted:I would think it more likely that just because it's the same author, that doesn't mean the new content is automatically as good. Stapling bits onto a story years after you wrote it doesn't sound conducive to a good outcome to me. I dunno most people liked the Star Wars special editions right?
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GimmickMan posted:Remember that ONE is the one behind the plot changes, I think he knows what parts of his characters and themes are most relevant and we can safely say this is how he wishes the story had been originally told in hindsight. This is nothing, clearly people are disagreeing with the outcome of this lmao
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# ? Oct 3, 2019 20:02 |
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I just like it that ONE and Murata are buds and that at least one of them is concerned with Murata's lazer-focus on his work interfering with his health and social life.
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GimmickMan posted:I disagree. The context does change somewhat (it's not a huge difference tbh) but character motivations and, more importantly, the themes expressed remain the same. The different context means you can read them differently (the hero association not taking the monster association super seriously, for example) but all the important parts (the hero association are over their heads) are still the same. The difference betwen "the heroes have good planning and teamwork but the enemies are still powerful and dangerous" and "the heroes are complacent in their own personal power and refuse to follow a plan or work with the others, and this exasperates an already dangerous situation" makes them fundamentally different narratives, regardless of how the events of the plot coincide.
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skaianDestiny posted:Because you're being biased as a webcomic reader. Was that the booth babe? I can’t even remember anymore
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Schwarzwald posted:The difference betwen "the heroes have good planning and teamwork but the enemies are still powerful and dangerous" and "the heroes are complacent in their own personal power and refuse to follow a plan or work with the others, and this exasperates an already dangerous situation" makes them fundamentally different narratives, regardless of how the events of the plot coincide. The latter is a much more interesting narrative imo
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# ? Oct 3, 2019 21:37 |
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Remember how people said the tournament would be worth it so we could see it animated? Haha.
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# ? Oct 4, 2019 11:14 |
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The tournament arc was worth it so I could see it drawn
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skaianDestiny posted:"Murata make the girl look pretty." This could almost be a thread title
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# ? Oct 4, 2019 12:14 |
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Mordaedil posted:Remember how people said the tournament would be worth it so we could see it animated? That’s the production team and JC Staff’s fault, not ONE or Murata
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# ? Oct 4, 2019 17:44 |
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So I binged the webcomic, and I can see why folks are such fans of it, it's really good. It's also got me pumped to see Murata's take on what's coming. Am I wrong in thinking the ONE decided to do the manga adaptation so Murata can horn-up all his favorite characters? Cause the difference in rendition for Tatsumaki and Fubuki is something else.
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# ? Oct 4, 2019 18:32 |
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ATP_Power posted:So I binged the webcomic, and I can see why folks are such fans of it, it's really good. It's also got me pumped to see Murata's take on what's coming. Well originally it was a webcomic he did for fun, Murata, who was pretty well established at the time, approached him after reading it and said hey, let’s collaborate, and they did
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# ? Oct 4, 2019 19:54 |
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ONE frequently hides material from Murata when he gets too horny and can’t stop redrawing.
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# ? Oct 4, 2019 20:03 |
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To be precise, Murata was in the hospital with a serious health scare, and he decided that if he was going to live, he was going to draw One Punch Man, drat it, which is what inspired him to contact ONE and propose the partnership. So...yeah, it's a pretty serious undertaking on Murata's, and also, of course, if for slightly different reasons, ONE's part. But yes, I'm sure that part of ONE's decision to accept was predicated on hot Fubuki pictures, even if he had no idea just how far into the endzone Murata would take that football.
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ATP_Power posted:So I binged the webcomic, and I can see why folks are such fans of it, it's really good. It's also got me pumped to see Murata's take on what's coming. Tbf Murata goes so horny for Fubuki because I think he draws her after his wife
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TheKingofSprings posted:Tbf Murata goes so horny for Fubuki because I think he draws her after his wife That, and Oda getting roughly 1000x hornier with writing and drawing One Piece after marrying his super hot wife, will never stop being funny to me. Lt. Lizard fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Oct 4, 2019 |
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