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Personally I love that they put the super important best-one-of-its-kind artifact from The Chase into the wreckage but Picard barely cares  He looks at the lid and then puts it back in the wreckage lol
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Now that you mention that scene, them just abandoning the mostly intact Enterprise wreckage on some non federation planet with a pre-warp civilisation living in the same system does seem like a huge security risk and possible prime directive violation. Shouldn't they either destroy the wreckage or remove it?
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Oct 4, 2019 19:08
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The Bloop posted:Personally I love that they put the super important best-one-of-its-kind artifact from The Chase into the wreckage but Picard barely cares If he has half a brain cell, the first thing he did when he got the thing would be to take a replicator pattern and then send the original to
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Oct 4, 2019 19:10
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I think you're just supposed to assume that Starfleet is going to chop the saucer up and carry the bits away after the captain and first officer dramatically beam up out of the wreckage of the bridge
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Oct 4, 2019 19:10
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Powered Descent posted:If he has half a brain cell, the first thing he did when he got the thing would be to take a replicator pattern and then send the original to Or maybe he's had a life changing experience and has a new perspective about living in the past.
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Oct 4, 2019 19:11
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marktheando posted:Ok two exceptions, that was good too. I think that does serve the scene well when it gets more off-putting and kind of builds to him having a mental breakdown and shooting his pants, it's about halfway between the tricorder bit and the panic attack you realize "Oh something is seriously wrong"
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Oct 4, 2019 19:12
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Tighclops posted:I think you're just supposed to assume that Starfleet is going to chop the saucer up and carry the bits away after the captain and first officer dramatically beam up out of the wreckage of the bridge I guess that could have happened offscreen, but that is not suggested by the movie. The next shot after Picard and Riker beaming up is all the federation ships leaving.
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Oct 4, 2019 19:17
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marktheando posted:I guess that could have happened offscreen, but that is not suggested by the movie. The next shot after Picard and Riker beaming up is all the federation ships leaving. They probably have that guy who runs the space scrapyard they hid in one time come pick it up. And thus the Klingon prophet's foretelling came to pass where the Enterprise was hauled away as garbage.
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Oct 4, 2019 19:20
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marktheando posted:I guess that could have happened offscreen, but that is not suggested by the movie. The next shot after Picard and Riker beaming up is all the federation ships leaving. I've read about people who thought the nebula class ship at the end was literally some kind of tug hauling the enterprise's saucer into space. I always thought Picard's log entry was pretty tepid, the line about the Enterprise not being able to be salvaged sounds like he doesn't actually care that his ship crashed after 7 years.
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Oct 4, 2019 19:26
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I still say the opening scene of the Picard show should be Jean-Luc drinking a beer and casually shooting out the windows in the crashed Enterprise-D saucer with a phaser, one by one.
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Oct 4, 2019 19:28
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Well, it's not the first command that he's lost. That makes me wonder what the standards are for starfleet. We know in the Navy, ANY sort of collision is pretty much a career ender for the commander, but Picard has walked off two hull losses and still got a brand new flagship. I also wonder what happened to the Enterprise B considering we still see plenty of Excelsior class ships in TNG. I'm going to guess it warped backward into a black hole trying to cover up an unscheduled trip to Risa.
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Oct 4, 2019 19:45
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Generations does get by on hype, the whole thing feels exciting and unique, at least if you were a fan of the show and finally seeing it get turned into a movie. It's just too bad there's not much else to it.
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Tighclops posted:I think you're just supposed to assume that Starfleet is going to chop the saucer up and carry the bits away after the captain and first officer dramatically beam up out of the wreckage of the bridge I assumed that Evil Admirals exterminated the local population because it was easier.
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Oct 4, 2019 20:04
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Tighclops posted:I've read about people who thought the nebula class ship at the end was literally some kind of tug hauling the enterprise's saucer into space. I literally thought as a kid that The Enterprise had been cut apart and those 3 ships were actually the remains of it - the ultimate recycling operation.
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Oct 4, 2019 20:46
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It's funny that Guinan says nobody can resist the nexus but Picard leaves after about five minutes and Kirk takes minimal persuasion. I had forgotten Lursa and B'etor were in it, good to see them finally get killed off. Their scheme to spy on the enterprise using Geordi's visor is fun. There's generally more things from the tv show in Genesis than I remembered.
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Oct 4, 2019 21:07
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marktheando posted:It's funny that Guinan says nobody can resist the nexus but Picard leaves after about five minutes and Kirk takes minimal persuasion. Human Captains! Racial trait is Badass Willpower.
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Oct 4, 2019 21:08
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marktheando posted:I guess that could have happened offscreen, but that is not suggested by the movie. The next shot after Picard and Riker beaming up is all the federation ships leaving. Well I assume they're not gonna keep a thousand people waiting around to carve it up, there'll be an engineering ship around to do that.
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Oct 4, 2019 21:47
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bull3964 posted:Well, it's not the first command that he's lost. We already know they don't do up-or-out - you can linger around in the same rank for decades and they'll still put you on starships.
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Oct 4, 2019 22:33
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MikeJF posted:Retroactively, yeah, but nanites weren't added to the borg concept until First Contact. The as-written intent in Q-Who was collective mental will. Thoughts are just electrical activity in an organ. Given the cybernetic nature of their organs, it's not unbelievable that they'd have some kind of wifi built in. Don't we already have actual humans with cybernetic implants to control prosthetic limbs and poo poo? Collective mental will sounds like psychic nonsense on the surface, but if you've got a network of computer-people, it's really not that whacky of a notion that they'd be able to link up and expand their computing power working together.
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Khanstant posted:Thoughts are just electrical activity in an organ. Given the cybernetic nature of their organs, it's not unbelievable that they'd have some kind of wifi built in. Don't we already have actual humans with cybernetic implants to control prosthetic limbs and poo poo? Collective mental will sounds like psychic nonsense on the surface, but if you've got a network of computer-people, it's really not that whacky of a notion that they'd be able to link up and expand their computing power working together. Yeah but that doesn't un-melt steel beams without a physical mechanism for carrying out their collective will
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So you're saying group-feel can't un-melt steel beams?
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CPColin posted:So you're saying group-feel can't un-melt steel beams? I am now
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bull3964 posted:Well, it's not the first command that he's lost. I’d guess that in a future where you can just whip up a new ship in a few months for free, losing your command isn’t as big a deal. And I’ve always assumed the B was just a renamed 1st-gen Excelsior refit (similar to the A) and she was decommissioned after 15 or whatever years once the Ambassador class production began.
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marktheando posted:Now that you mention that scene, them just abandoning the mostly intact Enterprise wreckage on some non federation planet with a pre-warp civilisation living in the same system does seem like a huge security risk and possible prime directive violation. Shouldn't they either destroy the wreckage or remove it? Alternately, those parts represent some cartoonish dystopic evil.
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New Picard teaser reveals Picard's new jacket: https://www.instagram.com/p/B3NB4Fjhqwe/?fbclid=IwAR1AK8aFcfai1Bn4tJVPuHfWNqj3HcRnGwXkFTH5d53XpN1PaGkjfx_DV44
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The Bloop posted:Yeah but that doesn't un-melt steel beams without a physical mechanism for carrying out their collective will Never heard of mind over matter?!?
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IMO Picard should have lost his command for getting owned by an outdated Klingon BoP Generations just has too much going on. It can't entirely be a TNG movie since they wanted to 'bridge the gap' between TOS and TNG. But TNG was already over and people had accepted the show, so it seems pointless. Plus they only got Kirk, Scotty, and Chekov back which is just the weirdest mix of TOS characters (yes I know that Nimoy/Kelley were unwilling/unable to do it). I agree that wiping out Picard's family offscreen was some garbage since it's from such an important episode in the series and it just gets tossed aside like the Kurlan Naiskos. There are a million plotlines- -Kirk's disappearance -The Nexus/Soran/Guinan stuff -Picard's family dying -Data and the emotion chip -Geordi getting abducted AGAIN and used to take out the Enterprise -Everything with the Enterprise crashing I know at one point there were going to be more Romulans in Generations and I think that would have been a better idea than the Duras Sisters and Soran.
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I still utterly refuse to believe a house fire resulting in an entire family being wiped out could happen on earth in star trek. The only possible excuse is Picard's crazy brother refusing to bring the traditional family house up to modern federation building codes and refusing even simple smoke detectors because modern technology causes grape autism or something.
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Oct 5, 2019 00:35
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Star Trek sucks as a movie and all Star Trek movies suck. Just skip em if you can, forget em if you can't and pretend they don't happen.
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Baronjutter posted:I still utterly refuse to believe a house fire resulting in an entire family being wiped out could happen on earth in star trek. The only possible excuse is Picard's crazy brother refusing to bring the traditional family house up to modern federation building codes and refusing even simple smoke detectors because modern technology causes grape autism or something. Yeah how could that possibly have happened? 
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Khanstant posted:Star Trek sucks as a movie and all Star Trek movies suck. Just skip em if you can, forget em if you can't and pretend they don't happen. Hey, that's a half truth!
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FlamingLiberal posted:IMO Picard should have lost his command for getting owned by an outdated Klingon BoP It's not really too many plotlines per se, but they should have spent more time in rewrites refining how they all connect. They feel too jumbled together without any real thematic connection. I mean, they were close to having a pretty good theme about the passage of time and all that, but it needed to be ironed out with the plotlines culminating in a more meaningful way.
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The Bloop posted:Yeah how could that possibly have happened? Exactly, signs point to murder by god-alien.
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bull3964 posted:Well, it's not the first command that he's lost. Space is so insanely dangerous in Star Trek that the simple act of surviving is worthy of reward. Starfleet is a soft eugenics program governed ruthlessly by survival of those most able to whip up bizarre technobabble solutions.
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marktheando posted:Ok two exceptions, that was good too. Are you saying you don't just love scanning for life forms?
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curiousTerminal posted:Are you saying you don't just love scanning for life forms? Precious little life forms?
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Don't blame Data, blame Joe Piscopo.
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Baronjutter posted:I still utterly refuse to believe a house fire resulting in an entire family being wiped out could happen on earth in star trek. The only possible excuse is Picard's crazy brother refusing to bring the traditional family house up to modern federation building codes and refusing even simple smoke detectors because modern technology causes grape autism or something. Like TNG and DS9 seem to make it reasonably clear that people didn't somehow lose a desire to go outside
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Honestly, even with the elder Picard brother's technophobia, their (all, or just he and his son?) dying in the fire strikes me as highly implausible. Earth is the most technologically developed and integrated and monitored planet in the Alpha Quadrant. Yes, they haven't OVER-developed, they've reclaimed/rebuilt "wild" spaces, and rural areas, but every square inch of the planet, the jewel, and capital, of the Federation, is being watched by the Federation's newest and most advanced sensor technology every single picosecond of the day. Every life sign on the planet is accounted for, even if some manner of 'do not watch' list exists, as I'm sure guys like Robert would insist upon, and they may intentionally not visually watch/listen in on them at all times. If you actually want to live dangerously, you have to move off-planet and be some rear end in a top hat colonist, you don't get away with endangering your children on Earth. The moment a sizeable heat signature breaks out in an area registered as a dwelling and occupied by three life-signs, either an emergency fire-fighting team beams in, a fire-suppression beam of some sort comes down out of the heavens, or all three of the Picards are transported out. Maybe all three of these things at once. Even if they were suffering serious asphyxiation or burn wounds, 24th century medicine on Earth could handle that poo poo without breaking a sweat. It literally took THE Q CONTINUUM to manage killing two people on Earth in a manner deemed sufficiently unavoidable due to freak occurrence and magnitude that the planet's weather control/disaster monitoring systems couldn't cope. It took THE FOUNDERS themselves and The Dominion's equally advanced hyper-technology to smuggle in and hide a bomb in order to enact terrorism, and they pretty much just pulled off the one event, then hung around to gently caress with people's minds thereafter. It was cheap drama written in by people who didn't think things through. And I'm going to keep calling it dumb. Aoi fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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EimiYoshikawa posted:Every life sign on the planet is accounted for You do realise this is the series (or set of series) where the captain suddenly disappearing from the ship doesn't even register on the computer as something that's important.
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