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Rent-A-Cop posted:What's the alternative? Annex Greater Kurdistan into the American foreverwar and stick around for another couple generations of Operation Bomb Dirt? Just move them all to Nebraska? yeah it'd actually be really good to let them move here as asylum seekers
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Berke Negri posted:yeah it'd actually be really good to let them move here as asylum seekers
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Oct 7, 2019 05:34
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I mean short of giving the Kurds an a-bomb on the way out the Turks were always going to do their level best to murder them all the second the last American got on a plane. Then stay? I can't read this in a way that doesn't say they are destined for a mass grave, so why mess with fate.
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Oct 7, 2019 05:37
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Ice Phisherman posted:America should have been in Syria long enough to murder the gently caress out of Bashar al-Assad for dropping barrel bombs on civilians. For those not in the know, they're the oil barrel sized equivalent of pipe-bombs that he's used to murder his people. The 2000s called, they want their neocon takes back.
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Oct 7, 2019 05:42
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Spoke Lee posted:Then stay? I can't read this in a way that doesn't say they are destined for a mass grave, so why mess with fate. There's absolutely no avenue of improvement that involves Americans doing anything other than loving off home.
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the bots responding to this tweet are calling schiff "she". i guess they haven't moved on from hillary yet either
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Rent-A-Cop posted:How many bits of the Middle East does the US need to have permanently invaded? I have never lived in a time when the United States was not kicking the piss out of some bunch of impoverished assholes in the cradle of civilization. It's been 30 goddamn years and absolutely nothing has gotten better because America was there shooting kids and bombing weddings.
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Oct 7, 2019 06:35
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Rent-A-Cop posted:How many bits of the Middle East does the US need to have permanently invaded? I have never lived in a time when the United States was not kicking the piss out of some bunch of impoverished assholes in the cradle of civilization. It's been 30 goddamn years and absolutely nothing has gotten better because America was there shooting kids and bombing weddings. So then we should reneg on the Kurds and they will be better off fighting Turkey? Look, I get the argument. And on balance it's the correct one in my worthless opinion. It's just applying a broad philosophy has cases where it doesn't work out for the best. In this specific case do you take the dam you built with on your way out and immediately doom the town, or do you wait till a situation where everyone doesn't die presents itself?
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm pretty sure Rudy hasn't left the front of a camera for the last two weeks. Like he probably just wears a catheter so he doesn't have to stay off of TV. Rudy probably has an IV drip of booze
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Oct 7, 2019 06:48
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Blaming Ricky Perry. Didn't see that twist coming.
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J.A.B.C. posted:Goddamn it. America once again thanks the Kurds by letting them get screwed. Pretty much doing the same thing we've done to every other non white ally. Native Americans? gently caress them and their people. Black people that fought for the Union and against the British during the revolution? gently caress them and every other black person ever. South Vietnam? Phht, gently caress you and die. There are others and we have a long long history of peoples we hosed over once they weren't of use to us When you see the US swooping in to help, give yourself the paper bag test. If you fail it, expect America to stab you in the back as soon as you aren't of use SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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Oct 7, 2019 07:01
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BrandorKP posted:Blaming Ricky Perry. To be fair, neither did Rick Perry 
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lurker2006 posted:The 2000s called, they want their neocon takes back. Allowing dictators to commit mass genocide on their own people is good and cool and we shouldn't do anything about it. 400,000 people have died in Syria and tons of people have fled. It still rages. Doing nothing is bullshit.
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Phobic Nest posted:Sorry man, I don't really mean it. I'm just kind of laughing into the abyss at what's probably our soon extinction. Peace. Do what you can to help to make it all loving stop. That's all. Meowrrrrrrrrrr tax: 
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Oct 7, 2019 07:23
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Ice Phisherman posted:Allowing dictators to commit mass genocide on their own people is good and cool and we shouldn't do anything about it. The United States is not the world police or humanity's benevolent daddy. It is not the place of the US to bumble into every genocidal shitshow just to see how much harder we can possibly gently caress it up.
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Oct 7, 2019 07:29
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Better invade China then I guess. That should go well. I have to agree with this. Where can or should we draw the line? And should we support an invasion/invade ourselves to protect domestic impoverished populations? It really does suck to say, but not every problem can be solved by trying to bomb that away. We've seen what that leads to in Iraq and Libya.
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Oct 7, 2019 07:32
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The US has zero support and credibility for building coalitions and peacekeeping at the moment (and likely for the foreseeable), there is simply no way a US intervention leads to anything but catastrophe right now
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Oct 7, 2019 07:45
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Better invade China then I guess. That should go well. Is there no room for putting some kind of pressure on turkey? Sanctions or other diplomatic consequences? It’s not just that the US is abandoning the Kurds to be invaded, it sounds like they’re also providing their approval for it to take place
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Oct 7, 2019 08:27
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Serrath posted:Is there no room for putting some kind of pressure on turkey? Sanctions or other diplomatic consequences? It’s not just that the US is abandoning the Kurds to be invaded, it sounds like they’re also providing their approval for it to take place There was a time when we probably could have put some kind of pressure on them, but since 2002ish, we've done nothing but destroy our reputation and erode our soft-power in the name of short-term enrichment of the entrenched interests. "Run America like a business" has been the de facto regime for a lot longer than Dipshit has been the president. Obama put a nice face on it, but unilateral action and indiscriminate murder of government targets via drone strikes still makes other countries angry. A coalition to stop genocide is morally the correct thing to do, but we've done so much to piss on everyone's good will to us that I don't think we could get a coalition from anyone who wasn't actively being invaded at this point. So in this case, the Kurds would join up, but nobody else would. Virtually everyone hates us, and ... well, they're right to. We are completely undependable and erratic.
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The rub is framing this as a bombing campaign of Turkey to protect the Kurds. It's just literally the current situation plus not greenlighting Turkey. In this case what is the positive effect on the Kurdish people abandoning them and giving their executioner our tacit approval will lead to?
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Oct 7, 2019 09:28
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Paracaidas posted:We know that this person works in the US intelligence community, which is how we know they're bad. Also the fact that they aren't in prison being tortured already is how we know they're bad, a good person (lol jk there aren't any in the CIA) would already be getting waterboarded in the interest of national security
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Oct 7, 2019 09:47
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Ah at last this time starting another endless war in the Middle East is a good idea. (j/k D&D says that about every war)
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Ice Phisherman posted:Allowing dictators to commit mass genocide on their own people is good and cool and we shouldn't do anything about it. Ah yes just like the only reason to oppose invading Iraq was if you loved Saddam right
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Dapper_Swindler posted:so is woodward defending him?
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/a-war-room-of-one-bob-woodward-and-peter-baker-talk-trump-impeachment/ ImpAtom posted:I'm trying to figure out who the absolute stupidest person to be a whistleblower could be at this point. Because that's probably who it will be. donny should probably watch this, or parts of it... I know Samantha Bee is frowned on here, and I totally get why, but that's largely irrelevant for this story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpdoyBhrfI4 tldw: they love(d) donny in Iraqi Kurdistan, I don't know how they've felt recently... Yeah... watch this fucker pivot to attention, lockstep.
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wait wait so it's possible that Trump, in a moment of panic, narc'd on someone he doing corrupt poo poo with OR Perry and Trump were trying to do the same thing so Trump is trying to push it all on Perry? Is it likely he did it because they knew this piece was coming out? or Perry just happened to be doing something beneficial for Trump and he's getting thrown under the bus? whatever it is, this is nuts. thin blue whine fucked around with this message at 10:16 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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VitalSigns posted:Ah yes just like the only reason to oppose invading Iraq was if you loved Saddam right While Saddam was a brutal dictator, he was not actively murdering hundreds of thousands of people before he was deposed. Or at least when he had, the damage had already been done long ago. I'm not saying invade, I'm saying that killing Assad might very well have spared nearly half a million people, millions from fleeing the country and cities like Aleppo for example would still exist. America didn't need to put boots on the ground. The location of his bunker was known and one good buster would have ended his rear end. He only had 500 loyal troops at one point. That's it. He was all but deposed until he started barrel bombing the Syrian people. Peace at all costs has a price. Syria as it is today is what it looks like. Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 10:21 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I forgot that this was almost an entire year in the making. The narrative going around seems to be that Trump just pulled this out of thin air as a flailing distraction when it’s pretty obviously not the case. I'm not sure why people think that Trump is some 4D unpredictable chess pro. He's literally the easiest, most predictable, and idiotic man alive
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Mystic Mongol posted:Georgia? Where it definitely happened, and then the results of the edited vote were allowed to stand by the party apparatus that profited from them? It also happened in Florida.
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its amazing that all rightwingers think they are perennial victims in everything when in reality they get passes by the media under the false banner of neutrality. Im so fed up with our media. I just want for once an "anchor" to confront these shitheads when they lie or make up conspiracy theories. At what point does Jake Tapper hear someone like Mick Mulvaney or Rudy Giuliani blowing some serious BS and just stop them and say "you are lying". There are never any consequences from the rightwing base because MSM allows these scumbags to grandstand and make soundbytes. This leads to chuds living in a different reality. There is no talking to them or telling them to look something up because we have a scumbag president that calls out "fake news" and because our MSM is trying to craft its own narrative that is more corporate than factual he gets a pass and the chuds believe it. This is why I say that even if we get Trump out of office we have decades of work to do to fix our "fourth estate". Without a reliable media holding power to account all we have is unaccountable graft.
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Ice Phisherman posted:While Saddam was a brutal dictator, he was not actively murdering hundreds of thousands of people before he was deposed. Or at least when he had, the damage had already been done long ago. Yeah the problem with Syria is that it was suffering from a critical lack of US ordinance falling from the sky. Some more humanitarian bombings and it would be a success story like Libya. Successful defined from the point of view of slave market operators of course
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apparently yes, because mark felt didnt end up like he did in that bad watchman game.
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah the problem with Syria is that it was suffering from a critical lack of US ordinance falling from the sky. Did I somehow call for mass bombings or boots on the ground? You're not even listening. One bomb on Assad. Send his rear end to hell. That's it. Before it would have been a lot better for Syria because it would have ended the civil war. After? Revenge mostly. So he doesn't get to rule the rubble.
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swear to god 1970 glenn greenwald would be like this water gate scandal is just trying to offtrack these paris accords
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