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bump_fn posted:also i finally got my visa so i can stay here ... yayy .... wellcume 2 hell island
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Dabir posted:There's something that comes up in here from time to time, some philosopher or old politician talking about how it's fine for the poor to spend a bit on luxuries because it's how they deal with how much being poor sucks. Who was that? Anyone have a link to it? Its George Orwell, Road to Wigan Pier “The miner’s family spend only ten pence a week on green vegetables and ten pence half-penny on milk (remember that one of them is a child less than three years old), and nothing on fruit; but they spend one and nine on sugar (about eight pounds of sugar, that is) and a shilling on tea. The half-crown spent on meat mightrepresent a small joint and the materials for a stew; probably as often as not it would represent four or five tins of bully beef. The basis of their diet, therefore, is white bread and margarine, corned beef, sugared tea, and potatoes – an appalling diet. Would it not be better if they spent more money on wholesome things like oranges and wholemeal bread or if they even, like the writer of the letter to theNew Statesman, saved on fuel and ate their carrots raw? Yes, it would, but the point is that no ordinary human being is ever going to do such a thing. The ordinary human being would sooner starve than live on brown bread and raw carrots. And the peculiar evil is this, that the less money you have, the less inclined you feel to spend it on wholesome food. A millionaire may enjoy breakfasting off orange juice and Ryvita biscuits; an unemployed man doesn’t. […] When you are unemployed, which is to say when you are underfed, harassed, bored, and miserable, you don’t want to eat dull wholesome food. You want something a little bit ‘tasty’. There is always some cheaply pleasant thing to tempt you. Let’s have three pennorth of chips! Run out and buy us a twopenny ice-cream! Put the kettle on and we’ll have a nice cup of tea. That is how your mind works when you are at the PAC level. White bread-and-marg and sugared tea don’t nourish you to any extent but they are nicer (at least most people think so) than brown bread-and-dripping and cold water. Unemployment is an endless misery that has got to be constantly palliated, and especially with tea, the English-man’s opium. A cup of tea or even an aspirin is much better as a temporary stimulant than a crust of brown bread”
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Tenebrais posted:a load of comfortable liberals first discovering protest? It's this but there's also blatantly some undercover cops in the system encouraging them to max out their bootlicking stances.
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bump_fn posted:also i finally got my visa so i can stay here ... yayy ....
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Sorry boomers, I just bought two avocados and a pair of bread rolls for my next two lunches, so I've robbed the housing market of *checks receipt* two pound sixty. I'm really, really sorry.
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Rarity posted:It's this but there's also blatantly some undercover cops in the system encouraging them to max out their bootlicking stances. imagine if the police put as much work into disrupting the far right as they do any other kind of protesting
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BalloonFish posted:This bit from Orwell's The Road to Wigan Pier? That's exactly it, though I thought Churchill or someone had something on a similar theme.
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Dabir posted:That's exactly it, though I thought Churchill or someone had something on a similar theme. quote:Roads are made, streets are made, services are improved, electric light turns night into day, water is brought from reservoirs a hundred miles off in the mountains -- and all the while the landlord sits still. Every one of those improvements is effected by the labor and cost of other people and the taxpayers. To not one of those improvements does the land monopolist, as a land monopolist, contribute, and yet by every one of them the value of his land is enhanced. He renders no service to the community, he contributes nothing to the general welfare, he contributes nothing to the process from which his own enrichment is derived.
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Jose posted:imagine if the police put as much work into disrupting the far right as they do any other kind of protesting Be reasonable Jose you can't expect them to break up their own social clubs.
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Jose posted:what did the conservatives actually stand for before thatcher turned them into extreme neolibs? Ground rent, small shopkeepers and nationalism primarily, obviously there was tension between them which allowed all kinds of allowances to the poor to allow them to serve the nation better and the post war consensus.
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i don't understand how someone can live like this https://twitter.com/TracyAnnO/status/1180605764592795648?s=20
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extreme boomer energy in the replies lol https://twitter.com/BBCWiltshire/status/1181083535840612353
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Jose posted:extreme boomer energy in the replies lol Also worth pointing out that XR made the logo with T-shirts but the BBC didn't mention that so a lot of the replies think XR did permanent damage. Even with that though XR = ISIS is one hell of a loving take.
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Jose posted:what did the conservatives actually stand for before thatcher turned them into extreme neolibs?
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wow who could have seen this coming https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1181165536497065984?s=20
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Jose posted:i don't understand how someone can live like this what's the joke
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baka kaba posted:Can I get a bird report from the bird experts (birxprts) itt? You're probably better off asking the Pet Island guys, but from my limited knowledge of attempting to nurse an injured pigeon back to health, it does look like one. Is it making peeping sounds or cooing? Peeping means fledgling/adolescent, cooing is an adult.
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Oct 7, 2019 12:21
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baka kaba posted:what's the joke You’re looking at her.
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mycelia posted:You're probably better off asking the Pet Island guys, but from my limited knowledge of attempting to nurse an injured pigeon back to health, it does look like one. Is it making peeping sounds or cooing? Peeping means fledgling/adolescent, cooing is an adult. A couple of people in here knew what to do last time I found a birb (which had a successful launch), I just figured I'd ask if it was a fledgling because it's practically a full size pigeon, but I guess they all are when they're ready to fly???(?) it wasn't making any noises though, I think it's on a sneaking mission. Maybe it'll start when the local pigeons show up, I think it was a bit scared when I saw it (my cat actually found it at night but luckily it's big enough to not be interesting)
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baka kaba posted:Can I get a bird report from the bird experts (birxprts) itt? Sorry missed this post. Just move it out of harms way, if its from a late brood the parents will be close by keeping an eye on it as it probably have a failure on its first flight attempt. Keep an eye from a distance and you should see them come in and feed them, it'll fly when its ready. If it doesn't seem to be being fed, its worth calling a rescue centre. You can google what's close by, or I can tell you if you give me your town.
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Jose posted:what did the conservatives actually stand for before thatcher turned them into extreme neolibs? Social conservatism, capitalism and nationalism/imperialism, mostly. Social conservatism in the 'christian family values' sense, but also in the idea that the social order and hierarchy was good, natural and immutable. Equality was not only undesirable but, however well-intentioned, impossible because the upper class was born to rule, the middle class was born to manage and the working class was born to work. By the 45-79 period this had become the last form of One Nation conservatism which, within that conservative and reactionary framework, did at least have a lot of paternalistic and do-gooding elements, in that if the social order was pre-ordained and unchangeable then those at the top at least had a moral obligation to improve the material and moral conditions of those at the bottom. The same applied to the pre-Thatcher approach to capitalism, in that the attitude was 'I am a capitalist, so I need capitalism to work as well as possible to make me (and my descendents who will, as is proper, inherit all my assets) as much money as possible for as long as possible'. So the party was generally in favour of anything that would improve productivity, and not in the current 'work harder and longer for less' sense, but in the sense of modernisation, improved skills, higher wages, more holidays, building the consumer society and so on because these people at least understood their own system enough to know that if you work your workers to death and pay them so little that they can't afford anything then the system that you make your money from will collapse. For the same reason they were generally in favour of state spending on infrastructure and redevelopment...so long as it wasn't being done by or for a nationalised industry with strong unions. Motorways (which encourage private car ownership and we own lots of big civil construction firms) are good, railways (which are communal, nationalised and used and operated by a well-organised uppity working class) are bad. There was also a blatant self-preservation aspect. Labour had won a landslide in 1945 and even though Attlee's government was gone six years later the institutions it had created were still popular - the Conservatives had to support the NHS, the house-building programme, the nationalised utilities, the rising wages and even the strong labour rights to win elections. The manifestos of that time are all 'We accept and will continue government ownership of the steel industry, but Conservative business sense and entreprenurial zeal will mean we will run it properly (unlike Labour) and can get by with only investing half as much.' Plus, when you're in a world with a vocal and organised labour movement in your own country and a socialist superpower just across the North Sea that's in control of half of Europe you have to chuck the proles a bone now and then (if you're cynical) or genuinely try and make capitalism work for them at least as well as socialism promises (if you're a proper old Tory 'wet' of the Macmillan school).
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So boomers saw this state of politics where both sides agreed on "let's try to make people's lives better" and decided that was some lame poo poo?
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Purple Prince posted:So boomers saw this state of politics where both sides agreed on "let's try to make people's lives better" and decided that was some lame poo poo? Depends on where you define "boomer". It wasn't really a concrete effort to do so, it happened because of a perceived failure of things to improve/change alongside various different shifts in how and who gets to be a citizen.
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Jose posted:wow who could have seen this coming Apparently not me because it's gone lol.
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Purple Prince posted:So boomers saw this state of politics where both sides agreed on "let's try to make people's lives better" and decided that was some lame poo poo? The pros of this individualization is that it's a lot easier to be queer or BAME or of a religious minority than it was pre-Thatcher, and one of the things that haunted her until the end was what she released with 'no such thing as society' in terms of minority action and rights. She said at the end that "maybe we went too far with individualism" not because of the people in dire poverty but because nobody cares about the established church and people weren't ashamed to be gay or trans anymore, so lol at her. The converse of that is that it's a lot easier for a society to have strong social structures when its regarded as homogeneous. Not when it 'is', but when it's seen as. "The national services are free at the point of use for all British Citizens" worked to the Old Tory mind in the 50s, because there was the image of the poor rural worker being uplifted, whereas it doesn't so much now because the Reagan mindset of 'welfare queens' and 'the gay agenda' has burrowed in there so it's actually all your money going to trans Muslims who can never be really British because reasons. Which is a flaw of the Old Tory mind, but it does mean that if we want to reverse this individualization without returning to the 50s in other areas, we need an inclusive definition of 'the collective' for which we can collectivize.
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OwlFancier posted:Apparently not me because it's gone lol. It was him retweeting an earlier one about how the government has admitted a us trade deal will kill any chance at an EU one and there is an urgent question about it today
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Lt. Danger posted:pre-Thatcher Tories are good Tories Ted Heath broke the UK's postwar economic model, creating massive economic hardship and directly setting the table for Thatcher, and was very probably a paedophilic serial killer. He was not a good Tory.
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Darth Walrus posted:Ted Heath broke the UK's postwar economic model, creating massive economic hardship and directly setting the table for Thatcher, and was very probably a paedophilic serial killer. He was not a good Tory. He is, however, dead. So he is, in fact, a good tory.
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Lt. Danger posted:pre-Thatcher Tories are good Tories yes, yes, they are all dead, you're right.
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