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Shipon posted:another thing i was thinking about based off my personal experience is just how hosed up living in a small town as a kid makes you for when you need to move to a large city for any sort of hope at a job and are able to actually make it out. i know it's a matter of being unable to afford better and thus is deeply a class issue but honestly it's almost child abuse to raise a child in a small town I didn't even know how to cross a street as a pedestrian (when the light is green!) or use a debit card until I went to college in the "big city" (a town with a population of 80k). So you can probably also imagine the absolute right-wing garbage my brain was stuffed with. It took a couple of years to get most of it out; observing the fall-out from 9/11 and the Iraq War from outside of the purview of my parents certainly helped. Being active on message boards like this no poo poo helped too, which is wild. It still took another decade to be able to look back on my childhood and realize the things that I assumed were perfectly normal, such as the doomsday prepping and the complete, yet contradictory fetishization of the police and militias (my cop uncle was gathering guns and training for secession in the 80s), are actually bugfuck insane crazy. I made it out, but my brother didn't, and everyday I think about him and wonder how you're supposed to escape all of this if it's the only thing you've ever known.
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Tashilicious posted:hillaryis44 :heartemoji: My favorite part about the hillaryis44 forum is that they were still active in 2016, and all hardcore trumpists. Hillary had been tainted by agreeing to work with the usurper, you see.
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One More Fat Nerd posted:My favorite part about the hillaryis44 forum is that they were still active in 2016, and all hardcore trumpists. Hillary had been tainted by agreeing to work with the usurper, you see. You can already see this in real time with the #NeverBernie crowd clearly slowly talking themselves into voting Trump.
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Asimo posted:It's definitely, 98% racism... it's just that it's systematic and often subconscious racism and xenophobia influenced by decades of dog whistle propaganda that's immersed America for so long that people just kind of instinctually make. If you listen to any of those sorts of arguments you can see the blatantly transparent logic processes behind it. "My money's being taken for welfare > welfare queens, thugs, other dog whistle terms > brown people are scary and subhuman and don't deserve my help". "Intellectuals are saying things I don't believe or that make me feel scary > They're all making more money and living and better lives than me > Everything they're saying is communist propaganda/perfidious jew rhetoric/whatever." Most people really only consciously recognize the first or second layer and never feel a need to confront why they feel the way they do, but that doesn't change any of the deeper implications of any of it. Really don't discount decades of Cold War propaganda and jingoism- and the root goes far deeper. This is the endgame of the American inoculation against socialism and atomisation of late-stage capitalism. This is a generation that's been taught up is down, that they are strong for being obedient and submissive, who's been handed everything and told they earned it, brought up with an invisible social safety net so they can't recognise the real thing. Every dollar not going into their pocket is automatically suspicious, yet they've been taught not to recognise any kind of connection between the work people do and the pay they receive. They're overgrown, naive, petulant, spoiled children who've been actively taught everything wrong and that failure on anyone's part but their own can only be because of moral deficiencies, while their own failures are obviously sabotage from the Other.
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Its not the rural poor that are voting lockstep GOP every election (although a lot of them do) -- its the more well off people driving jeeps and hummers that have their stranglehold on state politics. The south's institutions were designed to benefit slave barons and plantation owners -- the rich owners -- to the exclusion of literally everybody else, and not much has changed over the past 150 years down there despite the best efforts to try from reconstruction and the civil rights movement Its how in missouri and florida fairly leftist proposals pass by popular vote only to be shut down by the statehouse and the governor
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J.A.B.C. posted:A few decades back I would contend that family-owned farms, community ties and a desire to live life simply would say you are wrong. Considering this lifestyle has bred lots of communities full of small minded, bigoted, mean spirited assholes - maybe it's not something we need to preserve
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got any sevens posted:banned from uber eats? lmfao picturing a delivery driver ringing the doorbell for one "lauren lamarr", realizing he's been loomered and throwing the mcdonalds bag to the ground and stomping it out in accordance with company guidelines
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got any sevens posted:banned from uber eats? lmfao They probably have a general ban feature for uber, which she got banned from for publicly demanding a white driver.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:You can already see this in real time with the #NeverBernie crowd clearly slowly talking themselves into voting Trump. There are a scary amount of folks that seem to be talking themselves into voting Trump. lovely donut twitter, accellerationist sadbrains, and even folks on this very forum, who have many reasons but i think mostly just come down to "I have so thoroughly adjusted to this stress that no longer know if i can live without it"
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I think a lot of the “X job makes too much money!” thing is due to a general lack of respect for jobs without much physical labor. Taking teachers as an example, the job seems like it’d be easy at a very cursory surface-level glance. All you do is stand in front of some kids and read out of a book, and write math poo poo on the whiteboard! How hard can it be?! Same with the librarian from the NYT article - all a librarian does is arrange books, why does she need to earn so much money??? Obviously this is ignoring all the training and nuanced skills required to perform these tasks, but these aren’t immediately obvious. It’s similar to how lots of people undervalue writers, photographers, etc. It’s a job that looks easy, so it must be easy! And if anyone wants more money, it must be because they’re greedy. Notice that none of these people complain about auto mechanics making more money, or plumbers, or any other job that requires some kind of physical skill or knowledge. These are jobs that the skills of the employee are very obvious and in-your-face: I don’t know how to replace the broken heater in my living room, but the electrician does! He must have spent a lot of time training, and must be skilled, and thus deserves a higher wage. They just really can’t understand how difficult some of the jobs can be to do well, and explaining it doesn’t work because they will just assume you’re making up bullshit / exaggerating to get a higher wage for yourself (or, if you’re not arguing for yourself, they’ll probably assume you’ve been brainwashed or some poo poo). If they were to ever try the jobs for themselves, they likely wouldn’t even realize how bad of a job they’re doing and then STILL not think higher wages are needed.
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CodfishCartographer posted:I think a lot of the “X job makes too much money!” thing is due to a general lack of respect for jobs without much physical labor. Taking teachers as an example, the job seems like it’d be easy at a very cursory surface-level glance. All you do is stand in front of some kids and read out of a book, and write math poo poo on the whiteboard! How hard can it be?! Same with the librarian from the NYT article - all a librarian does is arrange books, why does she need to earn so much money??? Obviously this is ignoring all the training and nuanced skills required to perform these tasks, but these aren’t immediately obvious. It’s similar to how lots of people undervalue writers, photographers, etc. It’s a job that looks easy, so it must be easy! And if anyone wants more money, it must be because they’re greedy. in conclusion, gently caress these ignorant assholes. There's no redemption but in the grave.
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CodfishCartographer posted:I think a lot of the “X job makes too much money!” thing is due to a general lack of respect for jobs without much physical labor. Taking teachers as an example, the job seems like it’d be easy at a very cursory surface-level glance. All you do is stand in front of some kids and read out of a book, and write math poo poo on the whiteboard! How hard can it be?! Same with the librarian from the NYT article - all a librarian does is arrange books, why does she need to earn so much money??? Obviously this is ignoring all the training and nuanced skills required to perform these tasks, but these aren’t immediately obvious. It’s similar to how lots of people undervalue writers, photographers, etc. It’s a job that looks easy, so it must be easy! And if anyone wants more money, it must be because they’re greedy. The thing is, they do understand it, because they'll make the same defense for CEOs getting paid so much. The center lib position of them being backwater morons gets pretty appealing
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Agean90 posted:They already do that's what's hosed up. The only kind of jobs that lovely small towns have is bitch level retail and stuff that's actually decent requires experience that's impossible to get if you live there your whole life. You theyre stuck working the same 24 hour a week minimum wage bullshit people in cities have to except there's also jack poo poo to do except binge drink and get a drug addiction. depends. my lovely hometown (smaller than the one in the story) has a fucker of a time filling positions, namely because no one wants to live in a lovely small town. we are in dire need of manufacturing workers with some jobs paying $20/hr with no experience in a place that has rents of like $400/month. my (ex con) brother moved back and had 4 job offers in a day. people with engineering degrees would be tripping over offers. If you're a medical doctor, the local governments will give you a $400k signing package to pay off loans and to entice you to move there The consequence is you have to live next to assholes like in the story
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CodfishCartographer posted:I think a lot of the “X job makes too much money!” thing is due to a general lack of respect for jobs without much physical labor. Taking teachers as an example, the job seems like it’d be easy at a very cursory surface-level glance. All you do is stand in front of some kids and read out of a book, and write math poo poo on the whiteboard! How hard can it be?! Same with the librarian from the NYT article - all a librarian does is arrange books, why does she need to earn so much money??? Obviously this is ignoring all the training and nuanced skills required to perform these tasks, but these aren’t immediately obvious. It’s similar to how lots of people undervalue writers, photographers, etc. It’s a job that looks easy, so it must be easy! And if anyone wants more money, it must be because they’re greedy. they don't respect jobs with physical labor either, and if they do somehow think electricians or plumbers should be paid more it's only up until they actually require their services. it's entirely "why do I have to pay for this?" look at how many people will half-rear end home repairs on their own as a point of pride instead of calling a professional
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Serf posted:i would tend to agree, but just so people can't whine about authoritarianism we should just make the offer to move for free, and then abandon the unsustainable areas. if people want to try and live out here regardless, they're welcome to give it a try. but i don't think a lot of people realize just how much they depend on other places for stuff they tend to think the cities depend on these rural populations and that their taxes or nonexistent farm labor underpin america at large seriously, it's wild
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:they tend to think the cities depend on these rural populations and that their taxes or nonexistent farm labor underpin america at large I especially like these folks bitching about how their taxes are just going to <liberal bigger city in the state> and they should just form their own state. Yes, they believe that their taxes are the thing keeping <liberal bigger city in the state> afloat.
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TotalLossBrain posted:they should just form their own state. they should if for no other reason that the iterative balkanization would necessarily continue (why should the people west of the 101 get my tax revenue? why should the people the next block over get my tax revenue? why should my neighbor get my tax revenue?) like a set of nesting dolls until they've got a population of 1600 individual "states" that can't accomplish anything because they refuse to cooperate with each other in any way
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Eat This Glob posted:depends. my lovely hometown (smaller than the one in the story) has a fucker of a time filling positions, namely because no one wants to live in a lovely small town. we are in dire need of manufacturing workers with some jobs paying $20/hr with no experience in a place that has rents of like $400/month. my (ex con) brother moved back and had 4 job offers in a day. people with engineering degrees would be tripping over offers. If you're a medical doctor, the local governments will give you a $400k signing package to pay off loans and to entice you to move there so you’re saying Northern Exposure was a documentary
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ikanreed posted:They probably have a general ban feature for uber, which she got banned from for publicly demanding a white driver. ya, im just imagining them blocking her for not tipping
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ikanreed posted:The thing is, they do understand it, because they'll make the same defense for CEOs getting paid so much. I think the logic is the CEO "earned" it by (theoretically) working their way up the corporate ladder, taking risky investments, etc. Plank Walker posted:they don't respect jobs with physical labor either, and if they do somehow think electricians or plumbers should be paid more it's only up until they actually require their services. it's entirely "why do I have to pay for this?" look at how many people will half-rear end home repairs on their own as a point of pride instead of calling a professional That's a good point, I suppose those were bad examples on my part. What is a job they respect? CEOs, farmers, miners, and armed service, I guess?
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:they tend to think the cities depend on these rural populations and that their taxes or nonexistent farm labor underpin america at large its a weird belief, but not an unfounded one. like the rural areas sustained regional cities in shitfarmer times, and people just think that still holds true today. it seems logical that since the food is grown here and the cities don't grow the food then we must be providing the food (i use "we" loosely here as a lot of the people i hear saying this are not directly involved with food production). but the global economy obfuscates the complex truth of just how many steps food goes through before most people get to it
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There are few people left who remember the good old days of ordering a black person out of their seat on the bus. We know from Lee Atwater that this stuff was coded racism. But even he admitted that part of the point was to make it so abstract that they didn't see the racism. A generation later, and these policies have a life of there own. They don't just defund the minority's schools, they defund their own. And now a town down the road from me is using the cops to chase their own drug addicted children out of homeless camps. It is ironic that an outsider like Trump had to come in and put it back on the rails to racism, because for over a decade white America has been using these policies to destroy themselves. You can also see it in the rise of alt-right media. Kids aren't having the underlying racism explained to them at home, because everyone forgot about it. They have to go to youtube to have it explained to them.
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CodfishCartographer posted:I think the logic is the CEO "earned" it by (theoretically) working their way up the corporate ladder, taking risky investments, etc. whatever job they currently hold, but crucially not their coworkers who are are all lazy and incompetent
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CodfishCartographer posted:I think the logic is the CEO "earned" it by (theoretically) working their way up the corporate ladder, taking risky investments, etc. They respect only their own job or ones they can make money off of and only pay lip service to others if that. Yeah they'll say they support the miners or whatever but when it comes time policy they vote to gently caress them over, every single time
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Just-In-Timeberlake posted:so you’re saying Northern Exposure was a documentary I've never seen it  but seeing that it takes place in alaska, i can promise that the scenery where i mostly grew up is much uglier and the air smells much more like poultry and hog poo poo though if you're a high school or GED holder and dont mind living in the middle of nowhere and lack olfactory senses, you can make a nice little life for yourself. in fact, you can live in a tiny town that's almost assuredly more diverse than where you're living now for next to no money
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I'm not going to downplay the racism aspect of this behavior but another factor is religion and anti-choice garbage from a lifetime of church brainwashing. It's not like they had a choice to go to church growing up but I am continually amazed at how many people literally believe in demonic possession and angelic miracles and other insane things. Single issue voting for anti-abortion is a cancer.
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Its astounding to me as a black dude how much poo poo in this country sucks because theres no simple way of dealing with a racist. "Do this thing its good" "yeah but then black people would benefit and we cant have that" "hrm I guess you are right."
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my lovely part of the country overwhelmingly has supported steve king despite the fact that african, asian, and mexican/central american immigrants attracted by meatpacking jobs are the only thing keeping the goddamn lights on in the rural part of the district racism and xenophobia breaks my brain as a concept, but voting to go down with the ship when there's ample lifeboats is some really dumb poo poo but it is nothing new. when it was only white people, the klan was huge in the upper midwest because some of them were the wrong kind white people. humanity is dumb
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Elephant Ambush posted:I'm not going to downplay the racism aspect of this behavior but another factor is religion and anti-choice garbage from a lifetime of church brainwashing. Materialist philosophies aren't natural or automatic. Humankind didn't even invent the scientific method for tens of thousands of years despite actively trying to understand the world and even having writing to pass on their learning. In the end, the reason you believe the earth orbits the sun is because someone told you so. If you're really lucky someone also told you ideas that would help you examine that idea critically and verify it yourself like what an analema is and how to project 3d movement onto a 2d plane and Newton's laws of motion. You sure as hell didn't figure it out yourself. Some people are put in a hole in the ground instead of on the shoulders of giants.
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ikanreed posted:Materialist philosophies aren't natural or automatic. if they cannot be reached now, though, it sort of doesn't matter how they got there. the brainwashing is sad, but if they're too far gone to bring back, their influence still needs to be destroyed and their views marginalized out of existence
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DragQueenofAngmar posted:if they cannot be reached now, though, it sort of doesn't matter how they got there. the brainwashing is sad, but if they're too far gone to bring back, their influence still needs to be destroyed and their views marginalized out of existence Like every right wing ideology that destroys the planet, they should be deprived of their power structures and institutions
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Freaking Crumbum posted:they should if for no other reason that the iterative balkanization would necessarily continue (why should the people west of the 101 get my tax revenue? why should the people the next block over get my tax revenue? why should my neighbor get my tax revenue?) like a set of nesting dolls until they've got a population of 1600 individual "states" that can't accomplish anything because they refuse to cooperate with each other in any way The end result would be their individual cells seceding from their body, like in Barrington J. Bayley's story Integrity.
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DragQueenofAngmar posted:if they cannot be reached now, though, it sort of doesn't matter how they got there. the brainwashing is sad, but if they're too far gone to bring back, their influence still needs to be destroyed and their views marginalized out of existence Basically yeah.
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Eat This Glob posted:my lovely part of the country overwhelmingly has supported steve king despite the fact that african, asian, and mexican/central american immigrants attracted by meatpacking jobs are the only thing keeping the goddamn lights on in the rural part of the district the thing that cracks me up about the kkk is that they also hated catholics it's why they were never able to get a foothold in southern louisiana
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MunchE posted:Considering this lifestyle has bred lots of communities full of small minded, bigoted, mean spirited assholes - maybe it's not something we need to preserve Agreed. I'm down with the "get jon do out of arkansas" rural migration fund someone proposed. Hell, i'd be willing to start a crowdfunding campaign. People freak out when what they perceive as their way of life is dying. On one hand, understandable. On another hand, these people shoot minority groups instead of assimilating into the new culture. JainDoh has issued a correction as of 20:09 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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DragQueenofAngmar posted:if they cannot be reached now, though, it sort of doesn't matter how they got there. the brainwashing is sad, but if they're too far gone to bring back, their influence still needs to be destroyed and their views marginalized out of existence are 'they' in this picture 65-year-old cranks burning through their second liver or all people under a certain economic bracket who've been effectively left to die by everyone but whatever snake oil salesman thinks he can make a buck filling their heads with garbage A Wizard of Goatse has issued a correction as of 20:19 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:are 'they' in this picture 65-year-old cranks burning through their second liver or all people under a certain economic bracket who've been effectively left to die by everyone but whatever snake oil salesman thinks he can make a buck filling their heads with garbage I’m talking about the sort of people in the nyt article. the ones filled with rage at the idea of doing anything for someone else, anything that isn’t for themselves, and who are so spiteful and prejudiced that they will opt to make their own lives worse to ensure others’ lives don’t get better. there are tons in my hometown and my family and they are lost. not just any poor rural people, obviously. but, if they’ve already had their head filled with garbage by the snake oil salesman, it’s almost certainly too late, they are lost. even if you make some headway in a discussion, it doesn’t hold because their whole community is invested in the garbage ideas. many small towns’ entire sense of community is church based, so they cling to that because losing all social interaction is painful for humans, and it get reinforced and reinforced and reinforced.
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