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The only thing Warframe really unlocks is more Warframe, so yeah, not much reason to do things you hate. I found fractures legit interesting when I did them. Mesa made it pretty easy, but keeping track of where enemies, were, getting energy that kind of thing was spicy enough to be a game. This was before the burps, so had no reason not to do it in solo with a podcast anyway.
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StashAugustine posted:If I've got like 150 ish creds to blow, should I spend it on cosmetics or potatoes from a plat efficiency standpoint? I want to get Mesa and maybe Nidus or Hildryn upgraded 150 isn't much. Save them for slots.
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If you're considering buying both and using a mix of plat and creds, cosmetics with creds. If you steeply prioritize the taters over the cosmetics then get the taters, but night wave taters are very inefficient.Inzombiac posted:150 isn't much. Save them for slots. Can't buy slots with nightwave.
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I'm a whore for cosmetics. I've made my Atlas look as close to the weird cyborg thing from that awful anime Genocyber as possible. Don't YouTube its OST, while incredibly badass it's super gory in a way that 90s anime could only be.
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Tulip posted:If you're considering buying both and using a mix of plat and creds, cosmetics with creds. If you steeply prioritize the taters over the cosmetics then get the taters, but night wave taters are very inefficient. OH creds not plat. Durfffff
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StashAugustine posted:If I've got like 150 ish creds to blow, should I spend it on cosmetics or potatoes from a plat efficiency standpoint? I want to get Mesa and maybe Nidus or Hildryn upgraded If you're talking about Nightwave creds, Nitain extract. It's the only reliable way to get it. If you don't need those then scoop up the potatoes if you really need them, the credits are going away at the end of the week anyways.
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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:How is the Stradavar Prime? I like it a lot, lots of ammo in the magazine with a decent reload speed gives it a ton of up time, and it has a pretty good crit chance as well.
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StashAugustine posted:If I've got like 150 ish creds to blow, should I spend it on cosmetics or potatoes from a plat efficiency standpoint? I want to get Mesa and maybe Nidus or Hildryn upgraded From a long term plat saved standpoint, cosmetics by a long shot.
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Anora posted:I like it a lot, lots of ammo in the magazine with a decent reload speed gives it a ton of up time, and it has a pretty good crit chance as well. It also has an awesome reload animation.
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Tulip posted:How To Optimize For Getting Punched In The Face I've played around with this a little and I feel like you're missing a lot by not including Arcane Guardian and Adaptation. Basically every frame that comes up with Quick Thinking + Flow on the sheet can hit equivalent EHP values with Arcane Guardian + Vitality and avoid the drawbacks that come with Quick Thinking. And I feel like Arcane Guardian is in the same resource investment ballpark as 3x Umbral, which you're including in your comparison. The 3x Umbral results would also look way less attractive if they were being compared to Vitality + Adaptation. With another tool that includes abilities and full mods (link) I get, for example, 20k EHP using 3x Umbral Atlas Prime with max rubble vs. 102k EHP with max rubble and Vitality + Adaptation. Adaptation beats the 3x Umbral build at 2 stacks, and will beat out armor stacking by 3-4 stacks in general. It's also way easier to build around.
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gnoma posted:I've played around with this a little and I feel like you're missing a lot by not including Arcane Guardian and Adaptation. Basically every frame that comes up with Quick Thinking + Flow on the sheet can hit equivalent EHP values with Arcane Guardian + Vitality and avoid the drawbacks that come with Quick Thinking. And I feel like Arcane Guardian is in the same resource investment ballpark as 3x Umbral, which you're including in your comparison. remind me to look at this when I'm off work, but my initial reaction is skeptical, since empirical tests of Adaptation have gotten only a sliver of its paper utility. Which is part of why I excluded it from the test (the other being that Adaptation is of minimal use for OHKO - which is the thing that EHP is designed to measure). Arcanes were excluded primarily because they are not mods, and so aren't competing on the limiting resource - mod slots. And I'd have to test it, but if Quick Thinking beats Vitality without Guardian, it will beat it with Guardian.
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I'm by no means a Warframe theory crafter but if arcane whatevs can alleviate some of the slotting pressure -- shouldn't they be included?
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I honestly wish there were other ways to get arcanes outside of Eidolons. I just don't enjoy it. And I don't mean vendor arcanes and stuff, I mean the arcanes that they do drop. I still think they should be the best source of them but choice is good?
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Give me a super shard that lets me skip to hydrolyst.
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Spudd posted:I honestly wish there were other ways to get arcanes outside of Eidolons. I just don't enjoy it. And I don't mean vendor arcanes and stuff, I mean the arcanes that they do drop. I still think they should be the best source of them but choice is good? i struggle to care about arcanes at all, but i def wish there were other ways to get riven transmuters. i also wish there was a more reliable way to farm lenses. i don't need any more revenant chassis gd it!
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Glenn Quebec posted:I'm by no means a Warframe theory crafter but if arcane whatevs can alleviate some of the slotting pressure -- shouldn't they be included? That's a bit of a different question from what I set out with. The question wasn't "how to hit a given survival benchmark," it was "most EHP for a given restriction." The primary formal restraint was "two mod slots," largely because, well, that's pretty close to how players seem to build frames in practice. I did play around with comparing to 1 mod slot, but gaps tended to be huge between 2 and 1, which got boring very fast. If wanted I could add that as another dimension of comparison, though it will likely be messy
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Pipski posted:i struggle to care about arcanes at all, but i def wish there were other ways to get riven transmuters. i also wish there was a more reliable way to farm lenses. i don't need any more revenant chassis gd it! Arcane Energize is just such a game changer. Once you get a rank 4 version + energy dash, energy really ceases to be a problem. I broke down and spent a grand worth of plat on finishing out my rank 4 energize and I've never regretted it for a second. Then there's edge cases like "oh hey, this one arcane doubles mesa's exalted weapon damage."
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How many nitain is too much? Like I think I have 30 or something.
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Target Practice posted:How many nitain is too much? Like I think I have 30 or something. You need 189, according to the wiki.
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Target Practice posted:How many nitain is too much? Like I think I have 30 or something. https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Nitain_Extract has a list of the total amount of Nitain you need to build everything that needs it. Currently the count is 189, plus another 18 if you're also doing clan research from scratch.
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Target Practice posted:How many nitain is too much? Like I think I have 30 or something.
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I remember people saying that nitain sold for nice amount of plat during the time between Nightwaves too?
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The Ember and Vauban updates got me a little, eh. From what I've read, Ember is not going to be fun to play due to her exploding with no real benefit and Vauban kit seems not that great. If the Ion Cannon came down quicker it would be awesome, but I rember reading somewhere that it takes like 5 seconds or something.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Nitain_Extract has a list of the total amount of Nitain you need to build everything that needs it. Technically, the answer depends on how many aura forma you want.
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throw to first drat IT posted:I remember people saying that nitain sold for nice amount of plat during the time between Nightwaves too? The real money is the aura mods. I bought 10 loot detectors a few weeks ago and they are going for 40 plat atm. It's the most efficient cred to plat pipeline.
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Can I just say I loving love the direction they've been going with the corpus tilesets of late. The ice planet expansion was a bit ehh due to some tiles being confusing as gently caress, but the gas planet rework and now this look loving great. Attention to detail and it shows.
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Tulip posted:remind me to look at this when I'm off work, but my initial reaction is skeptical, since empirical tests of Adaptation have gotten only a sliver of its paper utility. Which is part of why I excluded it from the test (the other being that Adaptation is of minimal use for OHKO - which is the thing that EHP is designed to measure). The worst case for Adaptation is getting shot exclusively by Elite Lancers, which gives only 20% or so actual DR at max stacks. I think that's the only situation where Fiber would often beat it. The numbers I've seen show it giving you 75%+ DR at max stacks against Corpus and Corrupted and 40%-60% DR against most Grineer. I was wrong on the 2 stack thing, and Valkyr, Nidus, Atlas, and Chroma (with Vex Armor) might be edge cases where high base armor lets a full umbral build compete with the worst case scenario for Adaptation, but most frames will still be gaining more EHP from partial Adaptation stacks than what they'll reach with an armor mod. Since you're just looking at surviving one shots with base stats, though, I agree it can be ignored. Personally I've found Vitality + Arcane Guardian + Magus Repair to be the sweet spot for staying alive on most frames and Adaptation to be the best option for improving tank frames, so seeing them excluded seemed kind of off at first glance.
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TBH, I subjectively prefer Rolling Guard over most things when trying to be hardcore, because 1) it is effectively infinite durability and 2) being at-will is truly fantastic. Adaptation usually gets under my expectations, but Rolling Guard typically goes above. That said, I could not for the life of me figure out a way to condense it to an apples to apples comparison.
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Only issue I have with Rolling Guard is that unless we get a mod that lets us attack while rolling (Sonic the Hedgehog anyone?) trading off DPS for defense is a tough call with how the game plays.
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BabelFish posted:Arcane Energize is just such a game changer. Once you get a rank 4 version + energy dash, energy really ceases to be a problem. I broke down and spent a grand worth of plat on finishing out my rank 4 energize and I've never regretted it for a second. Wait. A grand worth? You spent a thousand dollars on plat?
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with no discounts that would be 21k plat. you could buy like 14 rank 3 energizes with that much. pretty sure he just meant 1k plat
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Neopie posted:Wait. A grand worth? You spent a thousand dollars on plat? i think they mean 1000 plat. energizes are about 140-150p each right now so 1400-1500 for a full set and if you get a few from nightwave and dolons then buy the other 6-7 there you go. I got several energizes from dolons but when I got a 75 coupon I finished up and got a complete R3 and it really is excellent.
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Just snagged a solid % crit chance+damage Rubico riven for 1k in trade chat, there's nothing comparable on warframe.market for less than 2500. Unfortunately I ran out of Forma, so this experiment will have to wait. I've never even seen an Eidolon yet, but you can't be too prepared. Gotta get those Eidolon Shards for Paracesis.njsykora posted:Try the Exergis, its a single shot shotgun with a tight spread and innate punch through. Its the god of "gently caress this guy in particular" and gets some good fire rate with a bunch of reload speed.
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Neopie posted:Wait. A grand worth? You spent a thousand dollars on plat? Sorry, I meant I spent roughly one thousand platinum buying the remaining Energizes I needed to take me to maximum rank.
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generic damage isnt great on a rubico riven since it doesnt play well with chroma and chroma is the only one that gives a poo poo about the damage on his gun for eidolons
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Awesome! posted:generic damage isnt great on a rubico riven since it doesnt play well with chroma and chroma is the only one that gives a poo poo about the damage on his gun for eidolons Aside this is the most annoying part of Warframe math
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necrobobsledder posted:Only issue I have with Rolling Guard is that unless we get a mod that lets us attack while rolling (Sonic the Hedgehog anyone?) trading off DPS for defense is a tough call with how the game plays. At least stop rolls from interrupting reloads, it used to be the bane of my existence before I unbound the sprint/roll key and split its functions. Now that I put roll on 'alt', I've been making great use of rolls during parkour. Rolls give you a ton of velocity right as you start to lose it at the end of a bullet jump. Tulip posted:Aside this is the most annoying part of Warframe math As a PoE veteran, this is just WF not really good at distinguishing between "increased" and "more" multipliers.
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