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Perhaps instead of private companies being marketplaces we should just have marketplaces. Crazy I know.
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Can't wait to save a ton of money not buying Paradox games.
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Oct 7, 2019 20:56
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I too enjoy monopolies
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Oct 7, 2019 21:00
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Personally, I prefer GoG, since it's got a real nice commitment to customer service and making sure that the games you buy actually work. Largely I'm against one big company acting as a funnel through which the bulk of computer games have to go through, and I liked Valve better when they were a developer instead of just a publisher.
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Oct 7, 2019 21:09
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Sampatrick posted:I too enjoy monopolies Epic only is still a monopoly on a store that is a lot worse for me as a user.
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Oct 7, 2019 21:19
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EU4 taught me that mercantilism boosts your trade power therefore monopolies are good
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Oct 7, 2019 21:22
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SlothfulCobra posted:Personally, I prefer GoG, since it's got a real nice commitment to customer service and making sure that the games you buy actually work. GOG's great, if only for starting the idea that it's worthwhile to make old games workable on new OSes, and is literally why we have old ones also available on Steam. GoG, Steam, Humble are all decent marketplaces right now. Epic is hot steaming garbage even if you just look at store functionality. Add to that the skeevy practices of trying to simply buy exclusivity for every PC games they can get their hands on and... lol. //edit oh yeah and the sales they force on devs, another good laugh // (take note: Origin and Uplay are also bad™ for these exact same reasons) ----------------------------- I'm actually really looking forward to Paradox's new game. Victoria would be amazing, but something new and untried is also 100% welcome. I liked Stellaris more than Endless space 1/2, and would be intrigued by a Paradox response to Endless Legends.
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Oct 7, 2019 22:07
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A PDX version of Illwinter's Dominions would be cool. Random world gen, magic systems, religions. But only if they bite the bullet like Illwinter did and make actual factions, not the proc gen poo poo from Stellaris.
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Oct 7, 2019 22:43
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I think a sequel to any other game than Victoria would be pretty unacceptable, but if they're making something completely new w/e. I will judge that on its own merits.
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Oct 7, 2019 22:44
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Epics strategy is working for devs and users alike. They’re breaking up the monopoly pretty okay-ly too. If Paradox is making this call, I trust em. Speaking of, is there an info dump on the game I can read, beyond “frostpunk but warm”?
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Oct 7, 2019 23:49
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Is Paradox moving to entirely Epic or just this one semi-indie game they happen to be publishing?
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Oct 7, 2019 23:54
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Beamed posted:Epics strategy is working for devs and users alike. They’re breaking up the monopoly pretty okay-ly too. If Paradox is making this call, I trust em. I think it's got much less story and much more sandboxy builder game? From the random videos I've watched it's somewhere between the Anno games and Frostpunk?
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Oct 8, 2019 00:04
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So Paradox have dumped Haemimont from making a sequel to their own game?
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Oct 8, 2019 00:16
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V for Vegas posted:So Paradox have dumped Haemimont from making a sequel to their own game? Maybe? I can't see any indication of developer one way or the other so it could be that Haemimont is making it. That said, Haemimon's own website lists "creating or expanding franchises" as being one of the company's specialities, so maybe Paradox owning the IP and being able to shop it to another developer was part of the plan from the start.
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Oct 8, 2019 00:26
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Monopolies suck rear end but I'm getting tired of having to juggle a bunch of different accounts across a bunch of different services. Nationalise Steam.
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Oct 8, 2019 00:31
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https://twitter.com/Surviving_Mars/status/1181199781168857089
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Oct 8, 2019 00:36
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From everything I've heard from the dev side of things, Epic actually kinda offer an amazing deal for them, so, that's pretty cool. I'll wait until the steam release though.
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Oct 8, 2019 00:36
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Reveilled posted:Maybe? I can't see any indication of developer one way or the other so it could be that Haemimont is making it. Haemimont is working on something with Frontier so doesn’t have time anyway for the next 2-3 years.
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Oct 8, 2019 00:48
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If anything the whole Epic games exclusivity nonsense has taught me that I absolutely don't have to play every game that comes out and, am in fact more happy playing what I already have more in-depth. So go on, get your fortnite money if you must, but I absolutely won't be buying while it's exclusive. In fact, I'll probably have a much better experience after the fact, as the game will have been patched several times and have more content (probably bundled at no extra cost) by the time it hits steam.
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Oct 8, 2019 02:35
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:Monopolies suck rear end but I'm getting tired of having to juggle a bunch of different accounts across a bunch of different services. Nationalise Steam. 
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Oct 8, 2019 03:15
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gonna rule when digital game distribution goes the way of video streaming and piracy starts to pick back up because it becomes a massive pain in the rear end to juggle 6 different games services
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Oct 8, 2019 03:20
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Agean90 posted:gonna rule when digital game distribution goes the way of video streaming and piracy starts to pick back up because it becomes a massive pain in the rear end to juggle 6 different games services Or it just might cause a second games industry collapse as people realize that there are already way more good games than they could possibly play in one lifetime and decide that getting new ones just isn't worth the hassle, especially when it's often just the same rehashed stuff for the 15th time in a row, except this time you need an always-on connection and you have to buy the game in 5-hour chunks at 60-bucks a pop. Edit: Also, I'm not saying this collapse would be a bad thing, either. Dramicus fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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Oct 8, 2019 03:36
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A second game industry collapse that annihilated games as service online poo poo would rule but otoh the monkeys paw is real and it would end up just destroying indie gaming or some poo poo
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Oct 8, 2019 03:58
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:Monopolies suck rear end but I'm getting tired of having to juggle a bunch of different accounts across a bunch of different services. Nationalise Steam.
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Oct 8, 2019 04:36
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Dramicus posted:If anything the whole Epic games exclusivity nonsense has taught me that I absolutely don't have to play every game that comes out and, am in fact more happy playing what I already have more in-depth. So go on, get your fortnite money if you must, but I absolutely won't be buying while it's exclusive. In fact, I'll probably have a much better experience after the fact, as the game will have been patched several times and have more content (probably bundled at no extra cost) by the time it hits steam. Especially with Paradox, whose early release versions are notoriously underdeveloped and whose two recent flagship games had an abysmal launch. I can't think of a worse company to take an exclusivity deal from Epic.
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Oct 8, 2019 07:51
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ulmont posted:Haemimont is working on something with Frontier so doesn’t have time anyway for the next 2-3 years. They're making a new Startopia game.
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Oct 8, 2019 08:27
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Dramicus posted:Or it just might cause a second games industry collapse as people realize that there are already way more good games than they could possibly play in one lifetime and decide that getting new ones just isn't worth the hassle, especially when it's often just the same rehashed stuff for the 15th time in a row, except this time you need an always-on connection and you have to buy the game in 5-hour chunks at 60-bucks a pop. Haha, gaming is way too mainstream for that. The industry collapsing is about as likely as Hollywood collapsing. Or the phone industry.
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Oct 8, 2019 10:23
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GrossMurpel posted:Haha, gaming is way too mainstream for that. The industry collapsing is about as likely as Hollywood collapsing. Or the phone industry. That's what they said the first time it collapsed back in the 80s.
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Oct 8, 2019 12:17
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Dramicus posted:That's what they said the first time it collapsed back in the 80s. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the bigger companies started shutting down and major publishers restructured massively when faced with the increasing costs of AAA game dev, but uh, pretty sure gaming wasn't mainstream back then.
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Oct 8, 2019 12:41
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:I wouldn't be surprised if some of the bigger companies started shutting down and major publishers restructured massively when faced with the increasing costs of AAA game dev, but uh, pretty sure gaming wasn't mainstream back then. Pretty high nonetheless, revenues went from 3 billion in 1983 and dropped by like 95% the next year.
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Oct 8, 2019 12:53
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Dramicus posted:That's what they said the first time it collapsed back in the 80s. I'd really like to know what kind of collapse you guys are envisioning that takes down all digital distributors, the entire AA gaming community, and indie games. HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:I wouldn't be surprised if some of the bigger companies started shutting down and major publishers restructured massively when faced with the increasing costs of AAA game dev, but uh, pretty sure gaming wasn't mainstream back then. Yeah I can maybe imagine some kind of "AAA crash" if people get bored with samey giant games and publishers can't justify the marketing and development costs anymore. GrossMurpel fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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Oct 8, 2019 15:18
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:Monopolies suck rear end but I'm getting tired of having to juggle a bunch of different accounts across a bunch of different services. Nationalize Steam.
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Oct 8, 2019 15:20
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Beamed posted:Epics strategy is working for devs and users alike. They’re breaking up the monopoly pretty okay-ly too. Thank god someone is finally breaking up the monopoly of buying stuff on whatever platform you want.
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Oct 8, 2019 15:42
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This company which acquires exclusive access to games, preventing consumers from acquiring these products from any other outlet is... *checks notes* ... breaking up the monopoly???
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Oct 8, 2019 15:48
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I hope Epic game store breaks up the monopoly on people trying to get in lovely jokes while dancing around what they want to talk about instead of nutting up and posting their real thoughts.
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Oct 8, 2019 16:09
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GrossMurpel posted:
Regulatory pressure on lootboxes and similar models may be a factor in that, since they might no longer be able to rely on people with major problems to subsidise things. Now excuse me while I go play EU4 with 20 DLCs 
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Oct 8, 2019 16:26
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OddObserver posted:Now excuse me while I go play EU4 with 20 DLCs Look at this scrub only playing half a game!!!
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Oct 8, 2019 16:35
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:Monopolies suck rear end but I'm getting tired of having to juggle a bunch of different accounts across a bunch of different services. Nationalise Steam. 
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Oct 8, 2019 16:37
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Chomp8645 posted:This company which acquires exclusive access to games, preventing consumers from acquiring these products from any other outlet is... This is your brain on Gabe Newell. Any company that competes with steam the way that, y'know, marketplaces typically compete irl is actually the real monopoly, because you can no longer continue to use just one service for literally every game on the PC. Similarly, the monopolies of Google and Facebook are good, actually, because it's so convenient and convenience is all that matters at the end of the day.
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Only thing I love more than having games as a service is having SO MANY different and exclusive choices to enjoy paying for something I don't own! Catch the latest Marvel's The Avengers Two in theaters this spring
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