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How are undeveloped fields any more difficult to traverse without an automobile than sprawling suburbs?
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Craptacular! posted:Wouldn’t vote for them myself, because they’re often used to create “green lines” of undeveloped fields between cities that are difficult to traverse without an automobile. E: to expand, I consider at a generally good thing to limit urban boundaries to preserve both nature and local agriculture. CopperHound fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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Oct 5, 2019 00:41
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*pounding table* TRAINS TRAINS TRAINS TRAINS
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Oct 5, 2019 03:10
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BUILD A loving TRAIN
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Oct 5, 2019 03:35
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Morbus posted:BUILD A loving TRAIN He's been plugged here before and it's not really California politics, but I am reminded: Shinmera posted:Recently Do Not Eat started a new series detailing engineering disasters, which I'm sure the thread would enjoy. A second episode came out just today:
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Oct 5, 2019 03:53
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Cup Runneth Over posted:How are undeveloped fields any more difficult to traverse without an automobile than sprawling suburbs? In the middle of a housing crisis, it’s maybe a slight deal better than restricting development to the already filled in areas? Seems like people say “this will promote density” and instead what happens is the neighborhoods from the 60s remain and keep going up in value. But I also grew up really loathing living in a just a pastoral place compared to the suburban hellscapes of the South Bay. At least when everything is allowed to develop it makes more sense to run a bus route down the street. The more green space between construction the less sense any bus line makes.
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Oct 5, 2019 03:58
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Craptacular! posted:In the middle of a housing crisis, it’s maybe a slight deal better than restricting development to the already filled in areas? Seems like people say “this will promote density” and instead what happens is the neighborhoods from the 60s remain and keep going up in value. Dude, this is nonsense. You're just nostalgically pining for suburbs because of the same idyllic propaganda that got them built in the early 20th century. They are bad for housing, bad for development, bad for traffic, and bad for America, and the people who live in them hate public transport and do not want bus routes. If you want to get between two cities quickly without a car, you build a train, and the denser you pack people the more sense it makes to run a bus route down the street. quote:The more green space between construction the less sense any bus line makes. This is just...?????? Long distance buses are a thing. If you would otherwise drive between two distant places with a car, you can just run a bus instead and service many people with one automobile. It's just as fast as driving if they only have one stop in each city. In Argentina they have buses between Santa Fe and Buenos Aires and there is lots of green space between them. I have no idea where you're getting your urban planning ideas from but you should rethink them. And watch donoteat. You should really do that.
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Oct 5, 2019 04:10
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Fair points. I spend most of the year in a prototypical “suburban hellscape” but am privileged to have a bus stop in my backyard. (Didn’t plan it that way, just lucked out.) Coming back home recently it feels like the buses are basically used to get people to work and shut down when people aren’t commuting, which combined with the longer walk means I feel more like I need a car in an a “smarter” town, planning wise. Plus I’ve been rubbed so raw by “common good” initiatives that are just schemes to grow property value, drawing a line around the established town and saying everything has to be built inside these walls, only voters can undo this, and the city council can’t make an exemption for affordable housing for 15 years... well it smells like the city council full of boomers who have served for decades have found yet another way to do it again. So you can understand my skepticism. It was why I wanted to ask.
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Oct 5, 2019 05:55
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Santa Rosa's failure to evolve past the thinking of a city of 50k to the current reality of a city with nearly 200k isn't an issue with green space policies, it's an issue with Santa Rosa being captured by imbeciles stuck in the past and unable to update their bureaucracy or even conceive of something better, and also a devastating fire. It's a strong argument against city councils and for strong mayoral systems once a city hits some nebulous population threshold. Santa Rosa, and much of the North Bay, is also kinda-hosed because the Bay Area is such a humongous gravity well for young people that SR/Petaluma/etc are constantly trying to figure out how to attract youth while simultaneously dealing with ridiculous housing prices. My office has real problems with hiring because we simply can't offer enough $$$ to attract talent. My personal belief is that everyone is deep down waiting for The Big One to finally knock everything down and then we can rebuild (more or less) correctly. I have earthquake insurance because as soon as I turn 55 my wife and I are gone and I need my stupidly-valuable home to stay that way before I move to Portland/Maui//Seattle/"Ohio fortress".
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Oct 5, 2019 06:20
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Craptacular! posted:So what’s this thread’s take on Urban Growth Boundaries? They have been really popular in the North Bay, presumably under the “limit sprawl” line, as if these suburbs will see higher density and developers will more efficiently use their land. But the usual effect is that the Slow Growth movement becomes a No Growth movement, the thing often can’t be amended without voter approval or until it sunsets in decades, etc. I mean I don't like the suburban sprawl around Fresno (which is the nearest large city to me) so yeah sure.
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Oct 5, 2019 06:33
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Craptacular! posted:Plus I’ve been rubbed so raw by “common good” initiatives that are just schemes to grow property value, drawing a line around the established town and saying everything has to be built inside these walls, only voters can undo this, and the city council can’t make an exemption for affordable housing for 15 years... well it smells like the city council full of boomers who have served for decades have found yet another way to do it again. This is definitely an issue in California. But the way to solve it is to get personally involved and demand things be done the right way... not to give up and support the exact same policies that got us into the housing crisis in the first place because they're "better than no housing." I mean, I'm sympathetic to incrementalism, but sprawl is the disease, and you can't cure it with more sprawl.
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Oct 5, 2019 06:34
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Kill Bristol posted:Bernie Sanders is what the median dem senator probably should be
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Oct 5, 2019 17:53
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Zachack posted:waiting for The Big One to finally knock everything down I appreciate the rich irony in this thinking
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Oct 5, 2019 23:06
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SF DA race update: Gascón announced that he was moving up his retirement to right this goddamn second, four weeks before the election. the mayor announced that she was appointing Suzy Loftus, one of the candidates in the race, and former president of the sf police association. hmm, lets see what they have to say http://www.ktvu.com/news/ktvu-local-news/san-francisco-mayor-appoints-interim-district-attorney-day-after-gascon-announces-he-s-leaving posted:We respect Mayor Breed's authority to appoint a district attorney, and we are thankful it is not the criminal and domestic-terrorist apologist who is running to replace the failed Gascon. wow, interesting, let's balance the story by checking in with the aclu https://www.aclunc.org/news/aclu-strongly-opposes-mayor-breed-s-tilting-scales-san-francisco-da-race posted:Although District Attorneys are elected officials, research has shown that nearly 85% of DA races go uncontested, and when they are contested, incumbents win 95% of time. One of the many reasons for this phenomenon are when Board of Supervisors (or Mayors in this case) appoint someone who is making a bid for the DA seat, they give that person incumbent advantage and undermine the democratic process. We have seen this happen time and again across many counties in California, from San Diego to Alameda County. Appointments like these are fundamentally undemocratic and favor candidates who have establishment support, as opposed to allowing the process to run its course and let voters decide in an even playing field. huh! wait, what's this about a criminal terrorist-lover running? oh wait, alicia garza, one of the OG black lives matters folks, said something about this race recently., https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10218810077778778&id=1105902808 posted:I’m supporting Chesa Boudin for SF District Attorney. I’ve been following the race and Chesa closely and I think he’s the best person for the job. huh, that reminds me, it was only a week or so ago that FEC numbers came out showing chesa's campaign outraised everyone else's. crime pays, i guess!
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Oct 5, 2019 23:27
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Doc Hawkins posted:SF DA race update: Gascón announced that he was moving up his retirement to right this goddamn second, four weeks before the election. the mayor announced that she was appointing Suzy Loftus, one of the candidates in the race, and former president of the sf police association. The reason why the Police Officer's Association is calling him a domestic terrorist apologist is because they are trying to personally attack his family. Chesa Boudin is the son of David Gilbert and Kathy Boudin, Weather Underground members that, when Chesa was 1 year old, participated in a bank robbery during which a security guard and 2 cops were killed, resulting in Chesa being raised by his adoptive parents Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. The Police Officer Association calling him a domestic terrorist apologist is an attack about his parents and adoptive parents. It's the Sarah Palin Bill Ayers attack on Obama from 2008 again. The criminal apologist is just about Chesa being a public defender rather than a prosecutor like Loftus. The Nation did a good article about Chesa a couple days ago which includes some of his personal story. https://www.thenation.com/article/chesa-boudin-da/ Until this week, this was looking to be the first open District Attorney race in San Francisco in over 100 years. San Francisco has not had a contested DA race without an incumbent running since the early 1900s, and looks like we're not having one now.
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Oct 5, 2019 23:50
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i will say this, mayor breed is very good at what she thinks her job is
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Oct 6, 2019 00:32
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Police Associations doing a good job of showing us just how hosed PDs are. 
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Oct 6, 2019 00:43
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Craptacular can I interest you in Maos solution to market based housing
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Oct 6, 2019 15:32
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Mao's peasant revolution i.e. the Trump base.
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Oct 7, 2019 04:39
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https://www.sfchronicle.com/california-wildfires/article/PG-E-issues-unprecedented-power-shutoff-watch-for-14498454.php Holy poo poo PG&E cannot be nationalized soon enough.
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Oct 7, 2019 21:54
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Family Values posted:Mao's peasant revolution i.e. the Trump base. Yeah no, this isn’t true. Rural and poor are not synonymous. Trump voters as a group have higher incomes overall than non-trump voters.
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Oct 7, 2019 21:59
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Trump's poorer base literally correlates to opoid deaths. They aren't angry peasants, they are a coalition of rich fucks + small business tyrants + people who have been poo poo on by society and want to throw a brick through a window further enabled by good people who just stayed home because they couldn't bring themselves to vote for another rich neolib who was going to do nothing for them.
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Oct 7, 2019 22:08
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Truspeaker posted:https://www.sfchronicle.com/california-wildfires/article/PG-E-issues-unprecedented-power-shutoff-watch-for-14498454.php Super cool that PG&E hasn't even so much as emailed me about the possibility of being without power for up to 48 hours in the near future!  What a shitshow
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Oct 7, 2019 22:33
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Truspeaker posted:https://www.sfchronicle.com/california-wildfires/article/PG-E-issues-unprecedented-power-shutoff-watch-for-14498454.php PG&E sucks rear end, but isn't this kind of exactly what we want them to do in this situation? A timely local shutdown would have prevented the Camp Fire.
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Oct 7, 2019 23:36
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predicto posted:PG&E sucks rear end, but isn't this kind of exactly what we want them to do in this situation? A timely local shutdown would have prevented the Camp Fire. We would prefer them to upgrade and properly maintain their equipment and surroundings
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Oct 7, 2019 23:40
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Yeah, this policy was already in place before the Camp Fire and did us no good.
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Oct 7, 2019 23:42
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predicto posted:PG&E sucks rear end, but isn't this kind of exactly what we want them to do in this situation? A timely local shutdown would have prevented the Camp Fire. I mean in the sense that we want people to walk gingerly in a house full of live grenades, yes, but also maybe not allow the house to be full of live grenades in the first place in an attempt to make money.
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Oct 7, 2019 23:49
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48 hours of no power to half the state is hardly a reasonable way to handle this sort of thing. It's like a natural disaster but the disaster is greed and/or incompetence.
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Oct 8, 2019 00:03
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If PG&E makes my beer get warm this week I'm going full fuckin socialist.
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Oct 8, 2019 00:05
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CPColin posted:Yeah, this policy was already in place before the Camp Fire and did us no good. Because the regulators weren't doing their job. At all. Anyway, that's quite the map, isn't it? I plan to spend tomorrow tracking down the gas stove, making sure it has enough cylinders, finding the solar phone charger, and so on. oh woes they'll be cutting off power to the cell towers save me Jesus
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Oct 8, 2019 00:06
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I mean, I was looking at the weather and it doesn't even seem like its gonna be that windy
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Oct 8, 2019 00:08
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At least our earthquake kits handily double as PG&E Sucks kits?
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Oct 8, 2019 00:19
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CPColin posted:At least our earthquake kits handily double as PG&E Sucks kits? Sad but true. 
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Oct 8, 2019 00:27
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Anyone with knowledge about the utility situation feel like doing an effort post on nationalizing utilities, with the big pro/cons of doing so? Or linking to a good deep dive on the topic. I know some people who aren’t right wing/neoliberal types oppose it, but I don’t really know enough about the arguments for/against to make an informed judgement on the subject.
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Oct 8, 2019 00:30
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CPColin posted:At least our earthquake kits handily double as PG&E Sucks kits? The major reason why I haven't gotten a tankless water heater - it doubles as a water reservoir in case of emergency because I don't have any other place in my house where large amounts of water storage is feasible.
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Oct 8, 2019 00:53
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This zoomable thing is supposed to be the official PG&E map.
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Oct 8, 2019 01:28
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HelloSailorSign posted:The major reason why I haven't gotten a tankless water heater - it doubles as a water reservoir in case of emergency because I don't have any other place in my house where large amounts of water storage is feasible. If you removed your big water tank and got a tankless heater, you could build some shelves where the water tank used to be, and store water on them?
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Oct 8, 2019 01:39
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How long do you think it'll take before power companies start selling premium service that doesn't get shut off? rip the contents of everyone's freezers, i guess
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Oct 8, 2019 02:47
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surely pge couldn't have seen the writing on the wall year after year and instead of setting money on fire to pay for fires they cause they could have started burying electrical lines and enclosing transformers. I don't live in an affected area but that sure is going to affect a lot of people
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Colin Mockery posted:How long do you think it'll take before power companies start selling premium service that doesn't get shut off? Its called Natural Gas. I jad to buy a zoned natural gas generator system so id have 24/7 in my facility. That cost me my margins for the entire year basically just because i cannot loving lose power.
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