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Chichevache posted:Killing the passing champs by running it down their throat is an amazing storyline. That's what matters. On a homerish note, since someone mentioned fullbacks, Alec Ingold owns: https://twitter.com/SGafety/status/1180969519281508353 https://twitter.com/PFTCommenter/status/1180936193644617728 I hope they run that same play at some point but give him the ball. They established the run so hard they could’ve scored twice on the same play.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbbfTTZXNeg nice video from Baldy on the Raiders getting some tough yards against the Bears. Loving that I formation for the game winning touchdown japtor posted:On a homerish note, since someone mentioned fullbacks, Alec Ingold owns: yeah he does
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Oct 9, 2019 02:54
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I got to go with the Colts, they are all in.
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Elephanthead posted:I got to go with the Colts, they are all in. hat source https://onwardreserve.com/collections/hats
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Sooo I mean I might sound Biased but I vote the Colts, because that was my original position on Sunday. Monday never happened 
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Oct 9, 2019 05:41
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i feel like i'm pushing up a hill here but poor Kyle Juszczck sacrificed his knee in the establishment of the run; SF's entire offense completely fell apart without their fullback, which I feel like is the most run-establish-y thing one could say about an offense
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Voting for Colts. The colts victory will go down as the The Game on how to beat passing offenses. Other teams will mimic, and next year will be The Year of The Run. The colts are the prophet. Foretelling victory for all who listen.
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The colts game was a beautiful display of not only running being the key to winning against the chiefs, but also in a larger sense of running winning against passing. They deserve the trophy this week.
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Oct 9, 2019 08:56
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It’s the colts.
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Grittybeard posted:The traditional wishbone fell out of vogue because it's really slow developing and it's hard to get any misdirection going consistently when a lot of your plays are slow fake or give to the fullback obviously going to one side. Even fast small defenses can throw a whole bunch of dudes to one side of the field when every play takes two seconds before people start moving. What's the difference between flex and wish one I always thought wishbone faked or gave that really fast fb dive
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mastershakeman posted:What's the difference between flex and wish one I overstated the speed or misstated the reason I think. Part of it is probably remembering Tommie Frazier (who didn't even run a bone, Nebraska was an I formation) holding the mesh with his fullback reading the DE for longer than usual. Or at least I remember it that way. Anyway, this is going to be an unpopular opinion for this thread. The flexbone is more effective because it retains more options for passing. NOW before you all burn me as a heretic watch some Army or Navy games and realize that passing is almost always a mistake if you actually do it (  Army vs Michigan this year). The purpose of those passing options is the theory that any of us could possibly hang up a terrible pass and hit a receiver who was 20 yards open, so the defense has to account for the possibility even though they know it's almost never coming.Here's a tight wishbone formation:  You can also run that with two WRs split, or one and a TE. But either way there are only two vertical threats anywhere near the line. So the defensive coverage has a little better chance to adjust if you send those halfbacks out on routes and more people can assume they'll be crashing the line trying to blow up a run on any given play. Here's a flexbone:  Now if you were an idiot, a moron, a person who has no moral fortitude there are 4 possible vertical receiving threats there using slot backs instead of halfbacks. You are not, you are going to run because you are wise. But the defense cannot assume that you are not a moron, so the secondary has to account for those guys more than they would in the wishbone. The flexbone ends up being slightly faster because the veer action starts with one of those slot backs in motion running back behind the fullback and they can get a bigger head of steam than the old version of the bone did. That gives a clue to play direction but it's really only 3/4 of a second when done right and confuses the hell out of people it really should not confuse. It's also arguably easier to run a counter to the other slotback who wasn't in motion than it would be with the halfbacks getting tangled up in a wishbone. Most plays are still the quarterback reading the DE first for the fullback dive or a second read where the quarterback either takes it himself or pitches to whichever slotback was in motion. So at least my theory is the existential threat of the pass makes everyone go crazy and abandon the run, both offensively and defensively. You're strategically tricking the opponent that you might try to pass with the Flexbone as opposed to the Wishbone. poo poo, I wouldn't mind being proven wrong if someone wanted to run the old version at a high level.
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Er, I also vote Colts, sorry 
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Grittybeard posted:Er, I also vote Colts, sorry Grittybeard: awesome detailed post also Grittybeard: I am embarrassed I forgot to vote. 
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https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1181674874659622912
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Votes so far: Colts 12 (Barudak, Vando, Athanatos, Chichevache, EmbryoSteve, japtor, Elephanthead, Flikken, Hizawk, Beethovens Fist Symphony, deedee megadoodoo, Grittybeard) 9ers 3 ( Play, Bob Socko, DC Murderverse) Seattle 1 (Qwijib0)
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Oct 9, 2019 18:19
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49ers + Juice sacrificing himself in defense of the run counts as an additional 10 votes.
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Oct 9, 2019 18:26
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I vote Colts They really need to offer the Stetson at the top of that page with "run the drat ball" embroidered edit: lmao they also sell a "BUSH / REAGAN '80" hat just in case you were wondering who the demographic of that clothing company is
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Oct 9, 2019 18:31
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yeah i don't want a drat trump hat
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voting for the cardinals
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Oct 9, 2019 18:40
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we could make better run the drat ball hats than that! print the hats
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Grittybeard posted:The traditional wishbone fell out of vogue because it's really slow developing and it's hard to get any misdirection going consistently when a lot of your plays are slow fake or give to the fullback obviously going to one side. Even fast small defenses can throw a whole bunch of dudes to one side of the field when every play takes two seconds before people start moving. Then let's go with flexbone. Any sailor in bone port. Port in bone storm?
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My vote was buried in this post so I can see how easy it was to miss it, so I'll just bold it for you:Leperflesh posted:juszczyk sprained a knee establishing the run
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is it illegal to buy votes
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Goff for running a QB draw on a 2 point conversion for some reason
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DariusLikewise posted:Goff for running a QB draw on a 2 point conversion for some reason that was pretty wild. of course he instantly folded in half like a lawn chair
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A lot of good arguments for both teams, but the Colts seem to have a pretty big lead on voting, so becoming our 1st AFC team to win, the Indianapolis Colts are your Week 5 Establish the Run Champions. Week 1: The Minnesota Vikings - 46 Attempts for 265 yards, and a 3.80 Run/Pass Ratio Week 2: The San Francisco 49ers - 42 Run Attempts for 259 yards, and a 1.62 Run/Pass Ratio Week 3: The Minnesota Vikings - 38 Attempts for 211 yards, and a 1.81 Run/Pass Ratio Week 4: The Philadelphia Eagles - 33 Attempts for 176 yards, and a 1.22 Run/Pass Ratio Week 5: The Indianapolis Colts - 45 Attempts for 180 yards, and a 1.50 Run/Pass Ratio Divisions: NFC North: 2 NFC West: 1 NFC East: 1 AFC South: 1 Everyone Else: 0
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Commemorating the colts win with the platonic ideal of run establishing https://twitter.com/colts/status/1182294816555700230?s=21
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Ages posted:Commemorating the colts win with the platonic ideal of run establishing KC GM" man no one rushes anymore, let fire these entire defense and build one made to stop all passing. " Passes sandwich order paper to next guy screaming yes yes yes not listening Andy Reid dooms his team.
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Niners with 41 rushes despite getting only 99 yards out of it. And they won. That’s commitment
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DeimosRising posted:Niners with 41 rushes despite getting only 99 yards out of it. And they won. That’s commitment it was a nice commitment, but I will be shocked if the Ravens don't get the title this week even with one more game to play
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Re: Wishbone chat - the OU Sooners are no good, cheating, disgusting, dirty land thieves - but the Switzer teams from the 80's ran the wishbone to perfection. The highlights are worth a watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wOHUW59Rfc
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Sab0921 posted:Re: Wishbone chat - the OU Sooners are no good, cheating, disgusting, dirty land thieves - but the Switzer teams from the 80's ran the wishbone to perfection. The highlights are worth a watch. Don't forget the Browns ran the Wishbone one series against the Falcons last year
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Flikken posted:Don't forget the Browns ran the Wishbone one series against the Falcons last year It's like GrittyBeard doesn't even exist - they ran a flexbone
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Pittsburgh: Rush 36 - Pass 20 - Ratio 1.8 - Yards 124 Washington: Rush 33 - Pass 25 - Ratio 1.32 - Yards 145 Baltimore: Rush 43 - Pass 33 - Ratio 1.30 - Yards 269 San Francisco: Rush 41 - Pass 33 - Ratio 1.24 - Yards 99 Minnesota: Rush 35 - Pass 29 - Ratio 1.20 - Yards 122 Seattle: Rush 38 - Pass 33 - Ratio 1.15 - Yards 170 Denver: Rush 30 - Pass 28 - Ratio 1.07 - Yards 103 Baltimore had the most yards and most attempts on the week and also had 15 rushes for 1st down.
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Oct 15, 2019 05:39
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Yeah, Baltimore got my vote
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Oct 15, 2019 05:44
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Sab0921 posted:It's like GrittyBeard doesn't even exist - they ran a flexbone the flexbone is a variant of the wishbone!
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Yeah, gotta go Baltimore.
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San Francisco gets my vote. That's some serious commitment to the run.
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christian mccaffrey individual award for averaging 1.4 yards on 22 carries
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