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Grittybeard posted:Ken Zampese according to Bob Wylie (the hilarious ex-OL coach). It didn't come off as Hue loyalist stuff exactly to me but sour grapes since he got fired after the season too. O line was also better under Wylie Ten-Hut!
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The Browns should fire Kitchens, then and listen hear me out, hire Jeff Fisher
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the browns going between 7-9 and 9-7 every season would technically be an improvement
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Yeah, and look at the records of Jeff Fisher teams after he left. If anything Jeff is exactly the talent they need
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I wish the latest Madden games would let you hire Jeff Fisher :*(
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Players actually really seem to like Jeff Fisher a lot and he got a lot out of guys who sucked poo poo on other teams. His major issue is that he doesn't make good offensive coaching hires and his defenses are cheap shot artists.
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Ken Zampese managed to get fired from the Bengals so it is hard to imagine he was the mastermind behind the Browns success last year.
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OneMoreTime posted:I wish the latest Madden games would let you hire Jeff Fisher :*( he just needs to lose one more game as a HC, someone bring him back
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Colostomy Bag posted:I would like to see Pagano hired as HC in Washington. Hasn't the poor man suffered through enough cancerous situations?
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Maybe football is just a really high variance game, almost to the point of randomness, and believing you should shuffle coaches every season and a half is like thinking you should switch hands when rolling dice
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Matt Millen, the Browns and Dolphins heavily counter that argument.
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DeimosRising posted:Maybe football is just a really high variance game, almost to the point of randomness, and believing you should shuffle coaches every season and a half is like thinking you should switch hands when rolling dice Hizawk posted:Matt Millen, the Browns and Dolphins heavily counter that argument. yeah the important way to look at it is that you shuffle your coaches and office to avoid incompetence instead of trying to find a gem there are very, very few gems and relying on getting one is a great way to Raiders your way into... well, the Al Davis and son era
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Got a hot and spicy update coming after tonight's game Speaking of hot and spicy ... Dan Quinn, huh?
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Benne posted:Got a hot and spicy update coming after tonight's game Arthur Blank is claiming he's "disappointed" but isn't thinking of firing Dan Quinn. Translation: we don't want to fire a coach in the middle of the season but he's done. He took over the defense personally after firing some people and effectively casting the blame on them, then the defense got even worse culminating in that ABSURD game against the Texans. That's the kind of loving you don't come back from
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The owner having to give the Dreaded Vote Of Confidence in the first week of October is generally not a good sign!
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Has Arthur Blank ever fired a coach midseason? (Petrino quit.) If no, I bet he lets Quinn coach the rest of the season and fires him first thing on Black Monday.
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LabyaMynora posted:Has Arthur Blank ever fired a coach midseason? Dan Reeves in 2003 after game 13.
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ulmont posted:Dan Reeves in 2003 after game 13. Whelp! That's probably around when he'll fire Dan Quinn, then.
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Hizawk posted:Matt Millen, the Browns and Dolphins heavily counter that argument. I’d say the browns and dolphins churning through coaches constantly and still being trash is a pretty good case that churning through coaches doesn’t help
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DeimosRising posted:I’d say the browns and dolphins churning through coaches constantly and still being trash is a pretty good case that churning through coaches doesn’t help Who are some coaches who got fired after one or two seasons and went on to be good? Plenty as position coaches and probably coordinators for a certain definition of good, but off the top of my head I can't remember anyone who started like that and went on to be awesome. I'm sure I'm forgetting someone.
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Grittybeard posted:Who are some coaches who got fired after one or two seasons and went on to be good? Pete Carroll got fired after a season with the Jets and I believe only lasted 2 with the Pats
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Adun posted:Pete Carroll got fired after a season with the Jets and I believe only lasted 2 with the Pats That's a good one, I'd completely forgotten he had a year with the Jets even before the Pats. 3 years with the Pats and interestingly he was never actually bad. Trending downwards I guess, but 10-6, 9-7, 8-8 there.
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The thing I'm learning about a lot of football teams is they keep a lot of scouts, front office people and coaches around even when they make changes. For example, the current OC of the Vikings, Kevin Stefanski, joined the team as Assistant to the Head Coach in 2006. That would have been Brad Childress. He's stayed with the Viking this entire time, through Childress's time, through Leslie Frazier's time, and now under Mike Zimmer. To me, that's insane. When a team fires the GM and Head Coach at the same time, they say it's "cleaning house." But it's not if you're keeping all these guys below them around. So look at teams that traditionally don't draft well... say the Bears and their difficulty drafting quarterbacks and wide receivers historically. Is it because every GM they hire sucks? Or is it because they've been using the same scouts for decades, and even though those scouts can evaluate defensive players very well, they can't evaluate QBs and WRs for poo poo? I don't know the answer. Like I said, this is something I just found out recently. But it seems like when you have a team that's chronically bad, or always seems to draft certain positions poorly no matter who is in charge, I wonder if this institutionalism is the root of the problem. 
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LabyaMynora posted:The thing I'm learning about a lot of football teams is they keep a lot of scouts, front office people and coaches around even when they make changes. Conversely you have guys like Dante Scarnecchia who are eternal assistants for the same team who own.
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Is the information bad, or are the decisions made with the information bad? There are a ton of other sources out there to confirm or deny the quality odd the info your scouts are giving you.
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DeimosRising posted:I’d say the browns and dolphins churning through coaches constantly and still being trash is a pretty good case that churning through coaches doesn’t help Yeah but you look through their history in the last 20 years and it's mostly guys who sucked and never did anything anywhere afterwards. Making bad hires is a valid criticism, but I don't see guys in their history they should have stuck with.
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SunshineDanceParty posted:Yeah but you look through their history in the last 20 years and it's mostly guys who sucked and never did anything anywhere afterwards. Making bad hires is a valid criticism, but I don't see guys in their history they should have stuck with. Chudzinski maybe one more year. Shurmur might be an outlier
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WEEK 6 RANKINGS COOL Bill Belichick, New England Patriots Sean McDermott, Buffalo Bills John Harbaugh, Baltimore Ravens Mike Tomlin, Pittsburgh Steelers Frank Reich, Indianapolis Colts Bill O'Brien, Houston Texans Mike Vrabel, Tennessee Titans Andy Reid, Kansas City Chiefs Anthony Lynn, Los Angeles Chargers Jon Gruden, Oakland Raiders Doug Pederson, Philadelphia Eagles Jason Garrett, Dallas Cowboys Pat Shurmur, New York Giants Mike Zimmer, Minnesota Vikings Matt Nagy, Chicago Bears Matt Patricia, Detroit Lions Sean Payton, New Orleans Saints Ron Rivera, Carolina Panthers Sean McVay, Los Angeles Rams Pete Carroll, Seattle Seahawks Kyle Shanahan, San Francisco 49ers Not much change in this part of the ranking, but I'll start side-eyeing Lynn if the Chargers keep underperforming. For a team that went 12-4 and returned much of the same roster, they look shockingly disoriented, even with all of the key injuries. Maybe Lynn can get away with playing the injury card, but there's no doubt he needs to deliver in the twilight of Philip Rivers' prime. Meanwhile, Tomlin is already on his third QB so he's got all the mulligans he wants. It's a total writeoff year in Pittsburgh, and that's probably fair for everyone. Your grade is incomplete, see me again in 2020. FIRST-YEAR COACHES Brian Flores, Miami Dolphins Zac Taylor, Cincinnati Bengals Vic Fangio, Denver Broncos Matt LaFleur, Green Bay Packers Bruce Arians, Tampa Bay Buccaneers Kliff Kingsbury, Arizona Cardinals We're seeing enough of a sample size to judge the first-year class, and the resounding verdict is meh. Most of their resumes have mitigating circumstances, ranging from "they're winning so we'll overlook the flaws" (LaFleur, Arians) to "welp they got nothing to work with" (Flores, Taylor) to "I liked watching his offense in college so we gotta give him time" (Kingsbury). You might notice a couple of names I left off, however ... MILD Adam Gase, New York Jets -- If some coaches use a QB injury as an excuse for losing, Gase will just wield it as a cudgel to keep his job security. Not many teams will recover from losing their franchise QB -- we just saw it with the Steelers -- but the Jets have been absolutely putrid without Sam Darnold, and Gase has shown next-to-no effort into putting his team in the best position to compete. Not even win a game, which few people expect -- just show some fight, prove that you're the right guy for the job. Instead, we're just seeing the exact same red flags that got Gase run out of Miami on a rail. He has no answers, no motivation, no inspiration. I only have him in Mild in case Darnold's return sparks the offense and saves his sorry rear end. Freddie Kitchens, Cleveland Browns -- Speaking of coaches who don't inspire, Kitchens has all the energy of a substitute teacher who gives up on the class halfway through and just puts on a movie while he goes out in his car to smoke a joint. Maybe we were all premature in coronating Baker Mayfield last year, but his regression is legitimately worrying, and the team in general just doesn't look ready for primetime -- or any time, for that matter. By all rights they should be contenders in a down year for the AFC North, but if they keep dragging their feet, I don't know how much time Kitchens really deserves. Doug Marrone, Jacksonville Jaguars -- Is there any reason to hand the starting job back to Nick Foles, other than his cap number? Even when you strip away the memes, Gardner Minshew is playing legit good football and keeping the Jags competitive. Marrone could have a career-defining decision to make whenever Foles gets healthy. MODERATE Still no moderates? Am I getting soft in my older age? Let's get some more coaches on losing streaks before we populate this list again. I'm antsy. SPICY HOT Dan Quinn, Atlanta Falcons -- We talked about this in the thread earlier, but Arthur Blank already had to give the Dreaded Vote of Confidence, and that's never a good sign this early in the season. It's especially bad when Quinn pulled out all the classic job-saving tactics: firing his coordinators, bringing back a "respected name" to call the offense, and running the defense himself as a supposed defensive guru. Problem is, his defense is still terrible, Dirk Koetter looks out of ideas just like he did in Tampa, and a team that should be playoff-caliber on paper is basically out of the race before Halloween. Blank and his PR team will keep saying all the right things, but make no mistake. Barring a stunning turnaround, Quinn will be cleaning out his office first thing on Black Monday. YOU'RE FIRED Jay Gruden, Washington (interim coach: Bill Callahan) -- I'll just echo what Drew Magary said on this week's Jamboroo -- Gruden's firing felt weirdly anticlimactic by Washington standards. We all knew it was coming, and he admitted as much when the Pats predictably spanked him. Even the bizarre, suspicious timing of the year-old leaked videos didn't seem to play a factor. Either way, Gruden is the first domino to fall this season and that's worth noting. Now Washington will move forward with Callahan, which is a terrible choice as an interim coach when Jim Tomsula is standing right there. You can safely ignore this team like you always have. Pour one out for Dwayne Haskins. Benne fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Oct 11, 2019 |
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sean10mm posted:Conversely you have guys like Dante Scarnecchia who are eternal assistants for the same team who own. scarnecchia should be put in the hall of fame imo
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Grittybeard posted:Who are some coaches who got fired after one or two seasons and went on to be good? Did Belichick last more than a year in Cleveland?
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shirts and skins posted:Did Belichick last more than a year in Cleveland? He was coach there for five years, 91 to 95. FWIW, they took the first few years to rebuild, made the playoffs once (In 94, ironically beating Parcells’ Patriots) then were underperforming the next year when the move was announced and utterly fell apart, and Belichick was fired when everyone else went to Baltimore.
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https://youtu.be/l2onETkzzEM Brett Kollman bringing the tape to show why Dan Quinn is gonna get fired unless he gets much better really quickly.
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DeimosRising posted:I’d say the browns and dolphins churning through coaches constantly and still being trash is a pretty good case that churning through coaches doesn’t help which came first, the chicken or the egg
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Play posted:which sucks worst, the kitchens or the gregg
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