UKMT Red October 2019: Lies, dem libs, and polling companies.

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Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

I kind of feel though like it's not what they're reporting, but how they're reporting it. We'll know more once Laura K tweets her unbiased opinion, but the fact that they're reporting that Joris has solved the Northern Ireland problem* might be enough to sway the public back to the tories in an election, or worse sway enough wreckers in parliament to vote it through.

I also don't really understand how it works. Who do businesses claim the difference back from? Do they default to the cheaper or more expensive deal? If businesses can claim stuff back, can people? Doesn't this just throw a lit match at NI in terms of the troubles?

* _{I mean he hasn't - if anything he's made it worse.}

E: 109 is the number of people killed as Turkish troops continue to advance into Syria.

Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Oct 12, 2019

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# ? May 20, 2024 20:34

Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

OwlFancier posted:

Of course he has, this is why I really don't get why he's trying for this deal nonsense, if he just wants to blame the EU why try for this terrible arrangement. I get that's why he was trying to hide it but it has to come out at some point and when it does the brexit party are going to go in guns blazing against him.

Actually being able to deliver a brexit deal or appear to would be a huge win for bojo and no matter how poo poo it is the papers will carry water for him. It has the added benefit of not being as worrying a prospect for bojo as being responsible for no deal.
Otoh its about as likely to work out as it was for May and everything this lot do is awful.

It's crazy how loving crap the tories are, Cameron was a polished turd and May was already scraping the bottom of the barrel.

# ? Oct 12, 2019 01:43

NinpoEspiritoSanto: Oct 22, 2013

Bobby Deluxe posted:

I kind of feel though like it's not what they're reporting, but how they're reporting it. We'll know more once Laura K tweets her unbiased opinion, but the fact that they're reporting that Joris has solved the Northern Ireland problem* might be enough to sway the public back to the tories in an election, or worse sway enough wreckers in parliament to vote it through.

I also don't really understand how it works. Who do businesses claim the difference back from? Do they default to the cheaper or more expensive deal? If businesses can claim stuff back, can people? Doesn't this just throw a lit match at NI in terms of the troubles?

* _{I mean he hasn't - if anything he's made it worse.}

E: 109 is the number of people killed as Turkish troops continue to advance into Syria.

He can't even get enough of his own loving party to back him what makes him think an election is going to help him?

# ? Oct 12, 2019 01:49

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Sanitary Naptime posted:

Part of me thinks the brexit party really doesn�t give a gently caress about NI tbh, but this will still piss them off enough to make a difference I hope

The UK didn't give a gently caress about NI until they were needed for the coalition.
And after that is dissolved NI will be back to 'Those Crazy Religious Fucks To Be Ignored (except when they have bombed our part)'

Its pretty obvious the Brexit Party only gives a gently caress about the English.
After Brexit, the purging of the Scots will begin from the South.

# ? Oct 12, 2019 02:11

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

OwlFancier posted:

Of course he has, this is why I really don't get why he's trying for this deal nonsense, if he just wants to blame the EU why try for this terrible arrangement. I get that's why he was trying to hide it but it has to come out at some point and when it does the brexit party are going to go in guns blazing against him.

It was supposed to be material for his 'people versus parliament' pitch, putting forwards a deal that the EU would go for but Parliament wouldn't in order to cast them as treacherous saboteurs. Problem is that his band of geniuses didn't realise how siding with the EU against the interests of the Union would look to their far-right base.

# ? Oct 12, 2019 02:55

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

Sanitary Naptime posted:

Part of me thinks the brexit party really doesn�t give a gently caress about NI tbh, but this will still piss them off enough to make a difference I hope

The Ulster militias are where Farage gets his headcrackers from. They're a key component of the British far right - Britain First is almost entirely built from them. I really do wonder if Johnson and his media sycophants are overplaying their hand here - that Telegraph column about how NI is useless dead weight is getting people angry.

# ? Oct 12, 2019 02:59

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

In other news, what the gently caress is up with the British press

quote:

Media experts dub British journalists 'useful idiots' who are 'being played' on Brexit

By Charlotte Tobitt

British journalists are being “played like an instrument” when they publish stories based on Government leaks and anonymous sources, a prominent media academic has claimed.

The comment from Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism director Rasmus Nielsen, was one of many criticising the British press made by a panel of foreign journalists at a conference on Brexit and the Media today.

Nielsen was asked how the media should report on leaks as debate rages among journalists over whether Number 10 officials should be allowed to brief anonymously to the press.

He gave the example that the UK press has recently been reporting as if Prime Minister Boris Johnson had a Brexit deal ready to go, even though he said “currently there is no proposal as recognisable from Brussels’ point of view”.

Nielsen (pictured, centre) said the “British press is being played like an instrument and it doesn’t care.

“It’s very hard for me to accept that British journalists don’t understand what’s going on. Of course they do.

“They are smart, hardworking people who care about this.”

Stefanie Bolzen (pictured, left), London-based correspondent for German newspaper Die Welt, agreed, saying that she was previously “in awe” of the UK media.

During her time as a correspondent in Brussels, she said she viewed UK journalists as sharp, quick and well-informed during briefings.

“I now often find myself shouting at the radio thinking why don’t you ask about the substance, you let them get away with it so often,” she said.

“So much of what MPs say here is without substance and it isn’t questioned.”

She later added: “I think they [journalists] just get carried away with another leak or another non-paper that just has no substance and you sometimes think ‘stop, take a step away and look at the whole picture’. That’s absolutely nothing.

“It feels like a constant hot air circle where if you wake up the next morning you are where you were the day before.”

Bolzen referenced the reported call between Johnson and German Chancellor Angela Merkel that took place on Tuesday morning.

Merkel has refused to comment on what was said during the call, but Downing Street has been briefing that she told the PM a Brexit deal is now “overwhelmingly likely”.

Bolzen said: “The idea you would just report on this call without any proof and then the Germans aren’t commenting on it because it’s true – wow.”

On the previous panel, Jill Rutter, a senior research fellow at The UK in a Changing Europe, said journalists ought to tell Number 10 to speak on the record if they want their words reported, pointing to Johnson’s senior adviser Dominic Cummings’ “midnight ravings”.

She said: “I think journalists have been co-opted into being useful idiots for Number 10.”

Nielsen suggested that one option for countering the current way of reporting on Brexit in the UK is for British editors to commission more pieces from European media.

But, the foreign correspondents present criticised the amount of access they are given to UK Government departments – with two saying they are currently battling to gain lobby accreditation.

London-based Le Monde correspondent Eric Albert (pictured, right) said he and his colleagues have been “struggling” to gain access but that it has improved in the past year or two.

New York Times London bureau chief Mark Lander said this is a “major problem for the lack of understanding” on Brexit.

When there is no access, foreign journalists only have two options, he said.

These are to either “deflect to the local media which in this case is the British press with all the problems that entails”, or write “less informed” stories with more speculation, which he pointed out is not an ideal way to cover a major story like Brexit

# ? Oct 12, 2019 03:02

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When the night is calling
No matter who I become
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Love that so much of the world viewed the UK as a highly cosmopolitan, advanced, competent power that put out excellence in many fields, and that we have been working so hard these last few years to totally disabuse them of that notion :allears:

# ? Oct 12, 2019 04:51

deletebeepbeepbeep: Nov 12, 2008

Maybe Boris is relying on votes from Labour and/or just wants to shout about Labour denying Brexit again by voting down a deal. It's not inconceivable that Labour vote for this deal depending on the details. Either probably works for the Tories.

# ? Oct 12, 2019 05:14

Rust Martialis: May 8, 2007; At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

For Jae:

In The Court of King Crimson : An Observation over 50 Years

Hardback

By (author) Sid Smith

https://www.bookdepository.com/In-The-Court-of-King-Crimson/9781916153004

# ? Oct 12, 2019 06:47

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Rust Martialis posted:

For Jae:

In The Court of King Crimson : An Observation over 50 Years

Hardback

By (author) Sid Smith

https://www.bookdepository.com/In-The-Court-of-King-Crimson/9781916153004

Thanks!

# ? Oct 12, 2019 08:02

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

deletebeepbeepbeep posted:

Maybe Boris is relying on votes from Labour and/or just wants to shout about Labour denying Brexit again by voting down a deal. It's not inconceivable that Labour vote for this deal depending on the details. Either probably works for the Tories.

It is, because a customs border in the Irish Sea is a necessary precondition for an unacceptably hard Brexit for Britain with unacceptably few protections for... well, pretty much anyone, really. They're going to get the Hoey awkward squad and that's it.

# ? Oct 12, 2019 08:49

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Ms Adequate posted:

Love that so much of the world viewed the UK as a highly cosmopolitan, advanced, competent power that put out excellence in many fields, and that we have been working so hard these last few years to totally disabuse them of that notion

It's wonderful, isn't it? I wonder how many of them feel like fools for having believed it in the first place.

# ? Oct 12, 2019 08:49

Microplastics: Jul 6, 2007; It's what's for dinner.

Trickjaw posted:

Surviving Mars is on epic games for free. Free, I tells ya!

I see it's free for a week - does that mean it'll stop working after a week? Or is it a case of "once i've downloaded it, it's mine forever"? Very nice if so.

# ? Oct 12, 2019 08:58

Gorn Myson: Aug 8, 2007

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

I see it's free for a week - does that mean it'll stop working after a week? Or is it a case of "once i've downloaded it, it's mine forever"? Very nice if so.

Yours forever.

I know Epic are site but I'm not going to moan about free games, especially when they're good ones

# ? Oct 12, 2019 09:04

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

Telegraph really going in hard on Bercow for...getting some doors fixed in his flat...that he won't be living in after October.

https://twitter.com/LadyDurrant/status/1182706669048025088?s=19

# ? Oct 12, 2019 09:06

CGI Stardust: Nov 7, 2010; Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

God I hate being rinsed by Bercow to the tune of... uh... about 1/400 of a penny. I'm furious.

Rinsed By Bercow, good title for another washing machine video

# ? Oct 12, 2019 09:42

Braggart: Nov 10, 2011; always thank the rock hider

Failed Imagineer posted:

Telegraph really going in hard on Bercow for...getting some doors fixed in his flat...that he won't be living in after October.

https://twitter.com/LadyDurrant/status/1182706669048025088?s=19

This reminds me of the time there was a story about MPs having their credit cards suspended that led with Corbyn being one of them. The only further mention of Corbyn was halfway down repeating that fact because they had nothing actually salacious on him. These things only matter when the press hates the person involved. Didn't we just have a story about Boris allegedly funnelling public money to a woman because he was loving her? But oh no Bercow bought a washing machine. And it cost several hundred pounds! :byodood:

# ? Oct 12, 2019 09:45

Angry Lobster: May 16, 2011; Served with honor
and some clarified butter.

Braggart posted:

This reminds me of the time there was a story about MPs having their credit cards suspended that led with Corbyn being one of them. The only further mention of Corbyn was halfway down repeating that fact because they had nothing actually salacious on him. These things only matter when the press hates the person involved. Didn't we just have a story about Boris allegedly funnelling public money to a woman because he was loving her? But oh no Bercow bought a washing machine. And it cost several hundred pounds!

Literally money laundering! And don't forget about the christmas tree.

# ? Oct 12, 2019 09:50

Trickjaw: Jun 23, 2005; Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

I see it's free for a week - does that mean it'll stop working after a week? Or is it a case of "once i've downloaded it, it's mine forever"? Very nice if so.

Free gay space communism forever. I have a lovely rocket ship embossed with a hammer and sickle.

# ? Oct 12, 2019 10:00

Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

Bobby Deluxe posted:

In other news, what the gently caress is up with the British press

The credulity on display here is awe inspiring

# ? Oct 12, 2019 10:00

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Meanwhile Amazon & Apple continue to pay zero loving tax but yeah lets go after the guy claiming back tax on his washing machine.

# ? Oct 12, 2019 10:01

Braggart: Nov 10, 2011; always thank the rock hider

Angry Lobster posted:

Literally money laundering! And don't forget about the christmas tree.

How dare he celebrate Christmas like some out of touch champagne socialist elite? Doesn't he remember that Theresa May cancelled Christmas? Alright for some!

# ? Oct 12, 2019 10:02

Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

It WOULD be nice if we werent just paying for millionaires with nannies to repair their second and third homes while people live on the streets mind.
Daycare socialism for the inbreds, death by exposure for the vulnerable.

# ? Oct 12, 2019 10:03

Ratjaculation: Aug 3, 2007

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Meanwhile Amazon & Apple continue to pay zero loving tax but yeah lets go after the guy claiming back tax on his washing machine.

I actually caught an advert on TV about how much their warehouse staff love it, and you can book into warehouse tours.

It's almost as if they've orchestrated some sort of North Korea style village tour so you can see how everyone is happy and totally not-slaves.

# ? Oct 12, 2019 10:04

Trickjaw: Jun 23, 2005; Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene

Ratjaculation posted:

I actually caught an advert on TV about how much their warehouse staff love it, and you can book into warehouse tours.

It's almost as if they've orchestrated some sort of North Korea style village tour so you can see how everyone is happy and totally not-slaves.

I wonder if you could get away with going on one off those tours and casting off the yokes of the oppressed, whilst handing out union leaflets? Who am I kidding, it's probably counted as training and you are indentured to toil there forever.

# ? Oct 12, 2019 10:16

Microplastics: Jul 6, 2007; It's what's for dinner.

Ratjaculation posted:

I actually caught an advert on TV about how much their warehouse staff love it, and you can book into warehouse tours.

It's almost as if they've orchestrated some sort of North Korea style village tour so you can see how everyone is happy and totally not-slaves.

Hahaha remember when a bunch of them became amazon warehouse ambassadors on Twitter and got dunked on

# ? Oct 12, 2019 10:21

Sanitary Naptime: May 29, 2006; MIWK!

CGI Stardust posted:

God I hate being rinsed by Bercow to the tune of... uh... about 1/400 of a penny. I'm furious.

Rinsed By Bercow, good title for another washing machine video

Rinsed by Bercow: My Speaker takes advantage of my Constitutional Crisis

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Hahaha remember when a bunch of them became amazon warehouse ambassadors on Twitter and got dunked on

That loving owned lmao

# ? Oct 12, 2019 10:37

CGI Stardust: Nov 7, 2010; Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

Bubbling Frothy Johnson Rinsed By Bercow

# ? Oct 12, 2019 10:45

mediadave: Sep 8, 2011

ThomasPaine posted:

There's a reason he wrote capital in the British museum.

Well, yeah, it was the biggest library in the country.

# ? Oct 12, 2019 10:48

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Ratjaculation posted:

My 2010 Macbook still boots up in about 5 seconds. The 2019 Windows laptop I have through work takes that long to even get to any sort of progress screen.

Are work too cheap to buy you an SSD?

# ? Oct 12, 2019 10:50

Bobstar: Feb 8, 2006; KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Darth Walrus posted:

It is, because a customs border in the Irish Sea is a necessary precondition for an unacceptably hard Brexit for Britain with unacceptably few protections for... well, pretty much anyone, really. They're going to get the Hoey awkward squad and that's it.

It's been quite an impressive linguistic bait-and-switch by the very Tories, aided by the press

2016:

- Soft Brexit (Norway style, CU and/or SM); kind of ok but pointless
- Hard Brexit (No CU or SM, Canada maybe); quite damaging and bad
- No-deal Brexit; haha as if that would ever happen, nobody wants that

2019:

If we can't agree a deal, we'll end up with a Hard Brexit. But we want a non CU and SM deal, which will be fine and not hard at all, by comparison.

E: which is why I get jittery when they mumble about a deal being possible, because that's still going to be a very Hard Brexit, just after a transition period. Which is now just a year (plus inevitable one-time extension)

# ? Oct 12, 2019 11:00

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

Good thread by the Economics Editor of the Financial Times:

https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/1182595006382645249?s=21

# ? Oct 12, 2019 11:02

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EAT SHIT

Ratjaculation posted:

I actually caught an advert on TV about how much their warehouse staff love it, and you can book into warehouse tours.

It's almost as if they've orchestrated some sort of North Korea style village tour so you can see how everyone is happy and totally not-slaves.

I saw something about this where people were on the tour going WOW THIS SOUNDS SO GREAT CAN I APPLY LOL like question time audience members

# ? Oct 12, 2019 11:03

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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Hahaha remember when a bunch of them became amazon warehouse ambassadors on Twitter and got dunked on

Hi I'm Amazon Staff Ambassador Christine, I remember we all had fun that day and it didn't at all look like some children of the corn poo poo.

# ? Oct 12, 2019 11:06

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

love myy corporate potemkin village

# ? Oct 12, 2019 11:07

baka kaba: Jul 19, 2003; PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Hello it is I once again, Ambassador Christine. I am enjoy my day in warehouse, you also??? it is good here

Bobstar posted:

It's been quite an impressive linguistic bait-and-switch by the very Tories, aided by the press

2016:

- Soft Brexit (Norway style, CU and/or SM); kind of ok but pointless
- Hard Brexit (No CU or SM, Canada maybe); quite damaging and bad
- No-deal Brexit; haha as if that would ever happen, nobody wants that

2019:

If we can't agree a deal, we'll end up with a Hard Brexit. But we want a non CU and SM deal, which will be fine and not hard at all, by comparison.

E: which is why I get jittery when they mumble about a deal being possible, because that's still going to be a very Hard Brexit, just after a transition period. Which is now just a year (plus inevitable one-time extension)

It's actually shifted more than that - now they call crashing out Clean Brexit, and they're talking about the deal being a thing we negotiate after we've crashed out. They're trying to separate it from brexit itself in people's minds, so the important thing is getting out, and the detail comes later, just like with all the other trade deals we'll have to organise

They're basically trying to magic away the idea of soft and hard brexits, to cover their own arses but also make parliament look like it's frustrating the process over something meaningless

# ? Oct 12, 2019 11:15

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

it also ignores that after all tariffs drop to 0 nobody is going to want a trade deal because why would they

# ? Oct 12, 2019 11:22

Angrymog: Jan 30, 2012; Really Madcats

CGI Stardust posted:

Rinsed By Bercow, good title for another washing machine video

Sounds more like Chuck Tingle trying something new.

# ? Oct 12, 2019 11:30

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# ? May 20, 2024 20:34

Strom Cuzewon: Jul 1, 2010

Ratjaculation posted:

In regards to Extinction Rebellion not being extreme enough, we'll all be smashing windows in and killing when the three staple crops fail .

I do that thing where you fold over the corner of the page a couple of times, I'll be fine.

# ? Oct 12, 2019 11:31

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