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thin blue whine
Feb 21, 2004
PLEASE SEE POLICY


Soiled Meat
I know this is a dumb question but I can't get it out of my head: If Trump tries to obstruct justice using his Twitter account but it's found an aide or someone in his administration sent the offending tweet instead, could they be brought up on charges?

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SchrodingersCat
Aug 23, 2011

Fart Amplifier posted:

It depends on what the courts say

And the GOP has done such a good job of packing most of the courts, so if it ends up in a legal battle it will most certainly become a requirement for a full vote. The Republicans will vote in lockstep against it and try to turn it into a Democratic witch-hunt argument because most American citizens are too stupid to understand what is going on, and the GOP has no soul.

Again, the only way this really plays out in Dems favor is if they keep this running until next fall and use it in the election. As soon as it passes to the Senate the GOP will vote it down and claim it as a victory despite the mountain of crimes that the House is uncovering.

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012

Strange Poon posted:

I know this is a dumb question but I can't get it out of my head: If Trump tries to obstruct justice using his Twitter account but it's found an aide or someone in his administration sent the offending tweet instead, could they be brought up on charges?
I mean, they couldn't even get Ron Paul to cop to being the author of the Ron Paul newsletter, written by Ron Paul, so I could see this being an out.

Stickman
Feb 1, 2004


I'm definitely going to trust the "pocketbook model", "stock market model", and "unemployment model" to accurately predict that Minnesota is going to swing Trump in 2020.

TheDeadlyShoe
Feb 14, 2014

SchrodingersCat posted:

And the GOP has done such a good job of packing most of the courts, so if it ends up in a legal battle it will most certainly become a requirement for a full vote. The Republicans will vote in lockstep against it and try to turn it into a Democratic witch-hunt argument because most American citizens are too stupid to understand what is going on, and the GOP has no soul.

Again, the only way this really plays out in Dems favor is if they keep this running until next fall and use it in the election. As soon as it passes to the Senate the GOP will vote it down and claim it as a victory despite the mountain of crimes that the House is uncovering.

I think if a bunch of trump adjacent people get theirs in terms of their Crimes™, and the evidence is blatant and stinky enough, the Senate vote will look like what it is: corrupt partisan rear end covering. Republican Senators voting it down is still probably the right move according to the Lizard Brain Playbook, but it becomes jumping from the pot into the fire.

Willo567
Feb 5, 2015

Cheating helped me fail the test and stay on the show.
https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1184265680457256960
https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1184269629922992128
https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1184277104776617984
https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1184285162428866561

How can he be so drat stupid

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







Remember when the GOP was expected to present a healthcare bill and Graham and Cassidy just went around bitching about anything Bernie proposed and never actually put forth anything?

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

Lol I hope the Orange Goblin latches onto that Graham tweet about manners. What a shithead.

ManBoyChef
Aug 1, 2019

Deadbeat Dad



FizFashizzle posted:

Remember when the GOP was expected to present a healthcare bill and Graham and Cassidy just went around bitching about anything Bernie proposed and never actually put forth anything?

The Graham Cassidy bill was reprehensible. The fact the GOP has railed against the ACA for so many years and didn't come up with anything is just amazing. People are liking the ACA a lot more these days. How much hate for the ACA came from the fact that Obama administration passed it?

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







ManBoyChef posted:

How much hate for the ACA came from the fact that Obama administration passed it?

Well they would have been against anything, but the black dude doing it didn't help.

Remember, Kentucky loved the ACA (Kynekt in Kenutcky), but voted to get rid of Obamacare. One of the reasons was they didn't realize they were the same thing.

Tree Bucket
Apr 1, 2016

R.I.P.idura leucophrys
This thread is seriously denting my faith in humanity.

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


there is a lot of bad posting, agreed, but the bad news has been rolling in pretty steady for like three years

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



https://twitter.com/eisingerj/status/1184424038472568832

quote:

For instance, Trump told the lender that he took in twice as much rent from one building as he reported to tax authorities during the same year, 2017. He also gave conflicting occupancy figures for one of his signature skyscrapers, located at 40 Wall Street.

this sounds illegal in a very straightforward way

quote:

There can be legitimate reasons for numbers to diverge between tax and loan documents, the experts noted, but some of the gaps seemed to have no reasonable justification. “It really feels like there’s two sets of books — it feels like a set of books for the tax guy and a set for the lender,” said Kevin Riordan, a financing expert and real estate professor at Montclair State University who reviewed the records. “It’s hard to argue numbers. That’s black and white.”

The Trump Organization did not respond on the record to detailed questions provided by ProPublica. Robert Pollack, a lawyer whose firm, Marcus & Pollack, handles Trump’s property tax appeal filings with the city, said he was not authorized to discuss the documents. A spokeswoman for Mazars USA, the accounting firm that signed off on the two properties’ expense and income statements, said the firm does not comment on its work for clients. Executives with Trump’s lender, Ladder Capital, declined to be quoted for the story.

Willo567
Feb 5, 2015

Cheating helped me fail the test and stay on the show.

mdemone posted:

Lol I hope the Orange Goblin latches onto that Graham tweet about manners. What a shithead.

That Tweet stuck out to me as well.

I hope he bitches about Graham today

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
He's right
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1184279087847788544

Him too
https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1184131554399981570

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Posting this solely for the video game analogy, this is SA after all

https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1184274329753804800
https://twitter.com/TehAfton/status/1184275011718320128
https://twitter.com/TehAfton/status/1184276001133608960

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

eke out posted:

https://twitter.com/eisingerj/status/1184424038472568832


this sounds illegal in a very straightforward way

More importantly, where can I find these incredibly loving stupid investors?!

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'



One of these days the alt right is going to get a second "supposed" joke.


Today apparently is not that day.

Inferior Third Season
Jan 15, 2005

skylined! posted:

More importantly, where can I find these incredibly loving stupid investors?!
You are most likely to find them coming and going as they please from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20500.

canepazzo
May 29, 2006



https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1184432131365359619

Dunked on by Turkey. Amazing.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



The United States: irrelevant on the world stage.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



eke out posted:

https://twitter.com/eisingerj/status/1184424038472568832


this sounds illegal in a very straightforward way

You're not supposed to go, "Why not both?" to "Tax fraud or bank fraud?"

The article makes it really clear how blatant this is. I mean really blatant. Like, if anyone did a cursory examination of tax documents it would be the first thing they spotted blatant.

skylined! posted:

More importantly, where can I find these incredibly loving stupid investors?!

Not in the US! Until 2015, Trump had to go overseas to find people who thought he was worth putting money into. I also wouldn't be shocked if this was part of the money laundering Trump was doing.

Helith
Nov 5, 2009

Basket of Adorables


Turkey’s been dunking on you since last week when Erdogan got Trump to roll over.

Willo567
Feb 5, 2015

Cheating helped me fail the test and stay on the show.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1184426268177129472

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1184427310935609345

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1184430253541859328

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1184431250066624512
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1184435422346305537

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1184434517995610113

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1184438070927679494

TheDeadlyShoe
Feb 14, 2014


Rudy Erasure!

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1184145012336005121

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON
lol, this world is too stupid for there to have ever been intelligently designed.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1184438844084473856?s=20

skylined! fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Oct 16, 2019

funeral home DJ
Apr 21, 2003


Pillbug

skylined! posted:

lol, this world is too stupid for there to have ever been intelligently designed.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1184438844084473856?s=20

I can hear the GOP saying “we hired a criminal to catch a criminal! It was the only way!”

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



Nonsense posted:

Hopefully the Dems are withdrawing the inquiry so they can just go with full blown impeachment.

Username post combo is just :discourse:

Phobic Nest
Oct 2, 2013

You Are My Sunshine

skylined! posted:

lol, this world is too stupid for there to have ever been intelligently designed.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1184438844084473856?s=20

The "our world has lazy writers" joke has been run into the ground all the way to China but god dammity drat. :psyduck:

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/lummideast/status/1184433111746207745?s=20

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Didn’t we already know that the Ukrainian prosecutor was corrupt? This is the guy that the whole world and Joe Biden called to be fired, right?

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003

“Yeah just put everything in a hole and set it on fire.” - US Military since it’s inception

Devor
Nov 30, 2004
Lurking more.

skylined! posted:

More importantly, where can I find these incredibly loving stupid investors?!

The investors were people who trusted finance guys packaging a bunch of properties into Mortgage-backed securities

Trump had to go to the MBS finance guy because traditional lending wouldn't touch him to refinance a debt coming due

The MBS finance guy for this property just happened to be the son of a long-time Trump Organization employee who had been the recipient of a windfall "gift" of a condo at below-market rates earlier

Weird coincidences!

Trump Inc podcast is a good listen.

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Imagine how this plays if, somehow either by impeachment or death, Mike Pence becomes the republican nominee lol.

kitten smoothie
Dec 29, 2001

Devor posted:

The investors were people who trusted finance guys packaging a bunch of properties into Mortgage-backed securities

Trump had to go to the MBS finance guy because traditional lending wouldn't touch him to refinance a debt coming due

The MBS finance guy for this property just happened to be the son of a long-time Trump Organization employee who had been the recipient of a windfall "gift" of a condo at below-market rates earlier

Weird coincidences!

Trump Inc podcast is a good listen.
Not to be confused with his other corrupt MBS Guy buddy who hacks up journalists.

funeral home DJ
Apr 21, 2003


Pillbug

Devor posted:

The investors were people who trusted finance guys packaging a bunch of properties into Mortgage-backed securities

Trump had to go to the MBS finance guy because traditional lending wouldn't touch him to refinance a debt coming due

The MBS finance guy for this property just happened to be the son of a long-time Trump Organization employee who had been the recipient of a windfall "gift" of a condo at below-market rates earlier

Weird coincidences!

Trump Inc podcast is a good listen.

Ugh, another good podcast to listen to. I’m going to have to invent a longer commute to hear these all out.

At least it’s some fuel for Thanksgiving family meetups.

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



i don't think this has been posted yet? man it's a loving doozy

https://twitter.com/LauraWalkerKC/status/1184449082095521792
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1184445325957828608

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SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib

skylined! posted:

Imagine how this plays if, somehow either by impeachment or death, Mike Pence becomes the republican nominee lol.

I keep thinking about this since impeachment was announced. Would Pence be the most underwhelming candidate nominated by a major part in history? I think he would get destroyed in the general.

Edit:

eke out posted:

i don't think this has been posted yet? man it's a loving doozy

What the gently caress??? That's horrific

SalTheBard fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Oct 16, 2019

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