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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

TACD posted:

Comrades, I’ve spent almost two weeks aggressively ignoring all news and I highly recommend it. I feel confident that I’ve missed nothing important and that everything is on the same stupid trajectory it was a fortnight ago. Am I wrong?

As far as I can remember!

Congrats on breaking your theater addiction.

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Sanitary Naptime
May 29, 2006

MIWK!


namesake posted:

Ah constitutional chaos, you're never far away from my government and my heart.

That said Labour are a little bit hosed regardless, the Tories do well if there's a deal, they do well if they can convince enough of the public that there was a deal but the EU and remoaner parliament shot it down, the lib dems and the Tories do well if there's no deal and the lib dems will probably do well if there's an extension.

As I've said for months, if this election is about Brexit then Labour are going to suffer.

The last one was about brexit according to the tories and look how that went for them :v:

And that was without the brexit party being a thing.

Sanitary Naptime
May 29, 2006

MIWK!


TACD posted:

Comrades, I’ve spent almost two weeks aggressively ignoring all news and I highly recommend it. I feel confident that I’ve missed nothing important and that everything is on the same stupid trajectory it was a fortnight ago. Am I wrong?

Yes, it’s dumber now.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

The only thing that's changed is Boris finally won a vote but it was on some dumb clean air thing that no-one was bothered about.

Facehammer
Mar 11, 2008

TACD posted:

Comrades, I’ve spent almost two weeks aggressively ignoring all news and I highly recommend it. I feel confident that I’ve missed nothing important and that everything is on the same stupid trajectory it was a fortnight ago. Am I wrong?

You genuinely have not missed a single thing of any significance at all.

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.
Friends, I have breaking news about a certain much-vaunted government endeavour that was promised a long time ago but has been repeatedly delayed, much to the embarrassment of its government proponents.

I speak of course of the great porn firewall, which is now dead, like, for real this time, not just delayed again.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Fedule posted:

Friends, I have breaking news about a certain much-vaunted government endeavour that was promised a long time ago but has been repeatedly delayed, much to the embarrassment of its government proponents.

I speak of course of the great porn firewall, which is now dead, like, for real this time, not just delayed again.

porn, block uk, ban government, bill website, delay sex

Communist Bear
Oct 7, 2008

Fedule posted:

Friends, I have breaking news about a certain much-vaunted government endeavour that was promised a long time ago but has been repeatedly delayed, much to the embarrassment of its government proponents.

I speak of course of the great porn firewall, which is now dead, like, for real this time, not just delayed again.

Shocked. Shocked I am that a Boris government has dropped this.

Biggus Dickus
May 18, 2005

Roadies know where to focus the spotlight.

OwlFancier posted:

That's what the lumpy bits are, that's your spirit, spirit is stored in the balls.

I think I've read this manga.

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

I love the thought of all the government officials just furious at the useless computer men. How hard can it be to make the online internet machines stop downloading the virtual digital filth?!?!

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Wachter posted:

I love the thought of all the government officials just furious at the useless computer men. How hard can it be to make poor people stop downloading the virtual digital filth?!?!

Fixed for you. They have no problem with being able to download porn, they just don't want anyone else to do it.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It's real weird that people think computers are actually magic rather than following broadly the same rules as everything else in the world.

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

Fedule posted:

Friends, I have breaking news about a certain much-vaunted government endeavour that was promised a long time ago but has been repeatedly delayed, much to the embarrassment of its government proponents.

I speak of course of the great porn firewall, which is now dead, like, for real this time, not just delayed again.

"The project suffered from technical and legal issues."

Yeah, like being impossible, which we knew from the start :D

The Deleter
May 22, 2010

Fedule posted:

Friends, I have breaking news about a certain much-vaunted government endeavour that was promised a long time ago but has been repeatedly delayed, much to the embarrassment of its government proponents.

I speak of course of the great porn firewall, which is now dead, like, for real this time, not just delayed again.

Hell of a headline the Independent went with for it, huh?

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

OwlFancier posted:

It's real weird that people think computers are actually magic rather than following broadly the same rules as everything else in the world.
The government does not historically have a good relationship with science or technology. Or maths. Or arts. I'm struggling to think of something they do have a good relationship with.

xtothez
Jan 4, 2004


College Slice

CGI Stardust posted:

The government does not historically have a good relationship with science or technology. Or maths. Or arts. I'm struggling to think of something they do have a good relationship with.

That money pit from Duck Tales

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

OwlFancier posted:

It's real weird that people think computers are actually magic rather than following broadly the same rules as everything else in the world.

In my experience, the reasoning goes: "computer programs are built to spec ∴ they can be rebuilt to my spec ∴ reprogram Microsoft Word for me". I'm sure similar things happen in all walks of life, e.g. Groverhaus.

CGI Stardust posted:

The government does not historically have a good relationship with science or technology. Or maths. Or arts. I'm struggling to think of something they do have a good relationship with.

nonces

Wachter fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Oct 16, 2019

it dont matter
Aug 29, 2008

Braggart posted:

"The project suffered from technical and legal issues."

Yeah, like being impossible, which we knew from the start :D

"what the gently caress is a VPN?"

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Jo Swindon says she's going to vote for any deal Boris brings back so long as a referendum is attached.

This woman is an expert marksman for her own foot.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Jedit posted:

If only "nationalists" and "sense" belonged in the same sentence.

This is kind of a dumb take, and quite tone deaf tbh, in the context of Ireland.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Gonzo McFee posted:

Jo Swindon says she's going to vote for any deal Boris brings back so long as a referendum is attached.

This woman is an expert marksman for her own foot.

Boris brings back a deal saying we'll have to murder every first born child, but there will be a referendum on it so Jo backs it.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

porn, block uk, ban government, bill website, delay sex
:yeah:

OwlFancier posted:

It's real weird that people think computers are actually magic rather than following broadly the same rules as everything else in the world.
It's like the digital liberties people said during the big push for DRM, computers are very powerful general purpose calculators, and are best when they're left that way. When you say "let this calculator work, but never let it calculate this particular number" then you can break it in very unexpected ways.

Then the big publishers just ignored them and started installing rootkits on CDs.

mehall posted:

This is kind of a dumb take, and quite tone deaf tbh, in the context of Ireland.
Pardon?

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

forkboy84 posted:

Boris brings back a deal saying we'll have to murder every first born child, but there will be a referendum on it so Jo backs it.

The deal narrowly wins the referendum after the fash and the press go all in on turning 2nd, 3rd borns etc against firstborns. Labour blamed.

Sanford
Jun 30, 2007

...and rarely post!


Gonzo McFee posted:

Jo Swindon says she's going to vote for any deal Boris brings back so long as a referendum is attached.

This woman is an expert marksman for her own foot.

Citation pls, I have a lib dem friend aquaintance who I need to goad into an ill thought out response.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Comrade Fakename posted:

Is there any actual proof of the latter? I was under the impression that the Tories won the most overall votes (at least a plurality) at the last election.
Ok, having had a brief look around, I seem to have overestimated the effect of gerrymandering on the UK system, probably based on how big an effect it is reputed to have on the US system. A storming majority was not a probability even based on exit polls, and I don't have the maths or statistical training to guess at what impact, if any, it would have had on the UK system.

So, sorry everyone. Fake news on that second part.


Gonzo McFee posted:

Jo Swindon says she's going to vote for any deal Boris brings back so long as a referendum is attached.

This woman is an expert marksman for her own foot.
Jogon of Swinson.

Boris immediately announces a ref between his deal and no deal.

Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Oct 16, 2019

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Comrade Fakename posted:

Bobby Deluxe posted:

if it wasn't for gerrymandering [Labour] would have had a storming majority.
Is there any actual proof of the latter? I was under the impression that the Tories won the most overall votes (at least a plurality) at the last election.

Ronya is being very polite when he says:

ronya posted:

?

this is so far from conventional wisdom that some elaboration would be welcome

I don't know where Bobby has pulled this particular hot take from, but it's not true. FPTP is a bad system and rewards parties for a particular type of geographic spread (compare the SNP vs Lib Dem votes:seats ratio for instance), but Gerrymandering of the American sort in terms of constituencies isn't really a thing here. As far as I'm aware, no one has serious party-political objections to the work of Boundary Commissions that review the constituencies

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Are the Lib Dems going to back this poo poo if it has a referendum attached?

I'll laugh like a loving drain if they do, the useless pile of shits.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Can you even legally get into trouble for breaking book DRM?

If it's only for your own personal use.

E:
Or photocopying library books, say. Not that I would ever do such a thing.

Also isn't memorising a form of copying? Maybe we should all have invasive brain surgery to be allowed to read books.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Oct 16, 2019

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

sebzilla posted:

Are the Lib Dems going to back this poo poo if it has a referendum attached?

I'll laugh like a loving drain if they do, the useless pile of shits.

*still fails anyway*

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Tesseraction posted:

*still fails anyway*

That would be the best of all possible worlds tbh

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Sanford posted:

Citation pls, I have a lib dem friend aquaintance who I need to goad into an ill thought out response.

https://twitter.com/demarionunn/status/1184469443470073862

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Niric posted:

Is there any actual proof of the latter? I was under the impression that the Tories won the most overall votes (at least a plurality) at the last election.

Ronya is being very polite when he says:


I don't know where Bobby has pulled this particular hot take from, but it's not true. FPTP is a bad system and rewards parties for a particular type of geographic spread (compare the SNP vs Lib Dem votes:seats ratio for instance), but Gerrymandering of the American sort in terms of constituencies isn't really a thing here. As far as I'm aware, no one has serious party-political objections to the work of Boundary Commissions that review the constituencies
[/quote]

There are some issues around the fact that they can be told which metrics to use for constituencies by the governing party. The Tories told them to go by registered voters, IIRC, instead of eligible voters, when drawing up the new (and not implemented) boundaries, which favours the Tories.

But yeah, the boundary comission itself appears to be fair, and works within the guidelines it is set to.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Private Speech posted:

Can you even legally get into trouble for breaking book DRM?

If it's only for your own personal use.

E:
Or photocopying library books, say. Not that I would ever do such a thing.
UK law is (shockingly) a loving mess for this. Generally format shifting (scanning in a book that you own and keeping the book) is one of those things that is technically breaking copyright but would never be chased up.

Photocopying parts of a library book for academic use (review, criticism, research) would probably be considered fair use, depending on the amount copied. Also a library is allowed to create a digital copy with no additional cost if it's to cater for a disability. But ebooks at libraries are copy limited, they can only lend out so many copies at one time, which is hilariously dumb.

One interesting case is that copying a book by hand is generally always exempt. But like, a giant pain.

Private Speech posted:

Also isn't memorising a form of copying? Maybe we should all have invasive brain surgery to be allowed to read books.
AOL Time-Life WarnerMedia Brothers would love this.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Ugh just realised that Jo Swindon's twitter avi is from a loving TED talk

Just worthless on every level.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Guavanaut posted:

UK law is (shockingly) a loving mess for this. Generally format shifting (scanning in a book that you own and keeping the book) is one of those things that is technically breaking copyright but would never be chased up.

Photocopying parts of a library book for academic use (review, criticism, research) would probably be considered fair use, depending on the amount copied. Also a library is allowed to create a digital copy with no additional cost if it's to cater for a disability. But ebooks at libraries are copy limited, they can only lend out so many copies at one time, which is hilariously dumb.

One interesting case is that copying a book by hand is generally always exempt. But like, a giant pain.

AOL Time-Life WarnerMedia Brothers would love this.

Re copying by hand: wonder if that also applies to retyped by hand - I have some ebooks acquired when living abroad which are re-types not scans or 'cracked' kindles or whatever.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Ok, having had a brief look around, I seem to have overestimated the effect of gerrymandering on the UK system, probably based on how big an effect it is reputed to have on the US system. A storming majority was not a probability even based on exit polls, and I don't have the maths or statistical training to guess at what impact, if any, it would have had on the UK system.

So, sorry everyone. Fake news on that second part.

conventionally it is held that LAB tends to benefit from the current boundary-drawing system, at least over the past couple of decades. The traditional LAB strongholds of the deindustrializing towns tend to shrink in constituency population, even as the national population rises. Since boundary reviews are based on past census results, the lag in updating constituency boundaries tends to award LAB more seats, maybe five to thirty depending.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/JamesEFoster/status/1184371714454708225

This is a loving car crash

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

Guavanaut posted:

One interesting case is that copying a book by hand is generally always exempt. But like, a giant pain.

Those drat monks pirating classic works caused the dark ages IMO. They ruined the vellum industry!

That Italian Guy
Jul 25, 2012

We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.
You wouldn't hand copy a CAR!

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baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT


yeah just whatever, slap it in there and lets vote!!!

honestly this all kinda looks like people have been saying, the Lib dems want an election but they don't actually want to fight it on brexit, because they're aiming for Tory seats. So they just want brexit out of the way, no matter what the cost, and they don't care if people vote for a terrible deal because that's something they can blame on the tories when it comes to a GE campaign. Being pro-Remain is just a way to signal boost themselves in the meantime

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