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Timeless Appeal posted:It sucks because the real goal should be what if Star Trek but gay and also really gay. I think you mean what if Star Trek but Riker and also Riker.
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EimiYoshikawa posted:Darmok. To play devil's advocate, if Darmok were done today with modern production values, there would probably be nuTrek haters complaining about the fact that it has knife fights with a monster and spaceship phaser action.
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I think by "Darmok" he did not mean the literal episode Darmok, but for us to think back to a historical event that applies to the current situation and can be so condensed due to a deep, shared cultural context.
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Oct 15, 2019 03:14
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Pick posted:I think by "Darmok" he did not mean the literal episode Darmok, but for us to think back to a historical event that applies to the current situation and can be so condensed due to a deep, shared cultural context.
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Pick posted:I think by "Darmok" he did not mean the literal episode Darmok, but for us to think back to a historical event that applies to the current situation and can be so condensed due to a deep, shared cultural context. me, with your mother
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There’s a giant new billboard in my city along a major highway that just says “Shaka”. I feel that deeply.
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Pick posted:I think by "Darmok" he did not mean the literal episode Darmok, but for us to think back to a historical event that applies to the current situation and can be so condensed due to a deep, shared cultural context. Shaquita, when she was misgendered.
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Admiralty Flag, his posting poo poo, his page sniped Radium, when the forums fell Zaurg, his children pizzaless
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:me, with your mother Her legs wide
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Mooseontheloose posted:I think you mean what if Star Trek but Riker and also Riker. Nah, keep it simple. One Riker. One bridge.
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Powered Descent posted:Hell, the after-credits sequence is so obviously a joke that even the spergs at Memory Alpha aren't trying to fit it into canon. Give it time. Son of Sam-I-Am posted:me, with your mother davidspackage posted:Her legs wide 
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Pick posted:I think by "Darmok" he did not mean the literal episode Darmok, but for us to think back to a historical event that applies to the current situation and can be so condensed due to a deep, shared cultural context. Picard, his face in his palm
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Pick posted:I think by "Darmok" he did not mean the literal episode Darmok, but for us to think back to a historical event that applies to the current situation and can be so condensed due to a deep, shared cultural context. Maizlish and Hurley at Paramount.
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Jows posted:Picard, his face in his palm 
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Admiralty Flag posted:Admiralty Flag, his posting poo poo, his page sniped Grover at the trench
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Drywall, its load borne
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Rewatched The Thaw last night. Michael McKean is incredible in that episode. I like how they foreshadowed the ending with the simulated brain proposal.
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It's amazing how "stuck in an evil clown simulation" is actually such a good episode.
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"I'm scared" "I knowwww" I read a comment somewhere saying they'd take being screamed at by Sisko over being whispered at by Janeway any day and that's pretty much spot on. Mulgrew is so good. I rewatched her letting the Vidiians go after they stole Neelix's lungs and that's another great bit of acting.
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Rewatched Star Trek III in prep for the Greatest Gen's new live show next month. Man. It's... not good. Like, not terrible. But not good. It's funny how much it kind of looks like a TV movie most of the time, probably thanks to Nimoy. Lloyd still is the best part though, and it is amazing how much the franchise reused those fukken costumes forever. I still wish they would have left in the plot about the Klingons having stolen the Bird of Prey from Romulans or something. It would explain why they are just like so bad at using it. Edit - it's attempts at humor are overshadowed by Star Trek IV and it's attempt at being the worst Trek is overshadowed by Star Trek V and any movie after VI. It's not the most WTF and also not best looking movie, which is still TMP for both. So it's just like... the blandest Trek movie? jeeves fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Oct 16, 2019 |
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jeeves posted:Rewatched Star Trek III in prep for the Greatest Gen's new live show next month. Yeah, I've said this before but it is impressively ugly. Nimoy shares a lot of the blame for its look, considering he basically only does wide coverage and close-ups, but it's also telling that Star Trek III is literally the only project that Charles Correll ever worked on as the director of photography. He went on to direct a bunch of lovely TV. Dude really didn't know what the gently caress he was doing with a camera.
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drat good ship design department though. Excelsior, Oberth and Bird of Prey all introduced.
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MikeJF posted:drat good ship design department though. Excelsior, Oberth and Bird of Prey all introduced.
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Payndz posted:The Cinefex article on ST3 opens with a main ILM guy saying how much he hated the design of the Enterprise (from a photographic point of view) and enjoyed blowing it up. I think they were really hoping it would never come back and it would be all-ILM designs in future. They were, but it was only partly because of the design (they were clearly tasteless). The bigger issue was that the Refit model was, compared to ILM's models huge and crazy heavy, and inconvenient to mount. They used a forklift to get it around, while the excelsior was featherweight by comparison and could be man-handled. Also, its electrics were a complete mess, and the design meant the whole thing had to be deconstructed to fix minor problems. There were a bunch of other issues with it as well - the way the model had been done with illumination spotlights (shone on from outside to give the illusion the ship was lighting itself) was incompatible with the fact that ILM's shooting rig physically moved the model around as well as the camera, so they had to seriously restrict their motion and largely stick to camera movements, which was a very restrictive for them. And the refit had that pearlescent glossy coating to it, which was a pain to light and caused major headaches with the bluescreen mattes - if I recall the TMP special effects had used a different matte technique to the one that ILM used that made it not as much of an issue (though still a problem). In the end they sprayed it with a coating to reduce the gleam, but it was still way too reflective. All up it just made it annoying as hell to work with. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Oct 16, 2019 |
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Payndz posted:The Cinefex article on ST3 opens with a main ILM guy saying how much he hated the design of the Enterprise (from a photographic point of view) and enjoyed blowing it up. I think they were really hoping it would never come back and it would be all-ILM designs in future. Yes, Ken Ralston of ILM infamously hated working with the Enterprise model originally built by Abel & Associates, because it was so huge and a giant pain in the rear end to deal with on their motion-control tracks. When he found out that the Enterprise was going to be destroyed, he was overjoyed, because the Excelsior model was much smaller and had been built by ILM to their design specs. And Harve Bennett's plan all along was indeed to move the crew over to the Excelsior. Then they backtracked on that plan with Star Trek IV. I can only imagine that Ralston's "SON OF A BITCH" could be heard from several floors down at ILM when he got the script and storyboards. ILM's designs still suck, though. The Oberth makes no sense from a practical perspective, the Excelsior has an engineering hull that looks like a pregnant guppy and the Klingons never had any avian themes to their design until Nilo Rodis just shrugged after a script revision and said, "Eh, the Bird of Prey is just a Klingon ship, now." That their design language dictated the look of Star Trek ships for the next, what, 25 or so years ... guh.
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Ah yes, the Oberth class, aka “Drone Pizza Pie Delivery”.
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MikeJF posted:And the refit had that pearlescent glossy coating to it, which was a pain to light and caused major headaches with the bluescreen mattes - if I recall the TMP special effects had used a different matte technique to the one that ILM used that made it not as much of an issue (though still a problem). In the end they sprayed it with a coating to reduce the gleam, but it was still way too reflective.
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I love looking at fan designs of people trying to make sense of the Oberth. Of course, that loving dumb ship still makes more sense than the cavernous ships with loving turbolifts on roller coaster tracks with NOTHING ELSE IN THE APPARENTLY HOLLOW SHIP? Basically, once again, gently caress Discovery.
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I always thought the Obrerth was supposed to be deliberately dorky looking
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It is, the big issue is that there's no way from the saucer to the hull. The pylons are too narrow for a lift.
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Oberth aside, the plot of Star Trek III makes no sense. I mean, even without the whole plot of Vulcans having IMMORTAL SOULS that can be transferred to new bodies-- and yet they haven't done it in ages because  , why would Star Fleet suddenly restrict Kirk from going back to Genesis? Wasn't he the loving one that had access to that classified material in the first place? He's a loving admiral, not some cadet. Also I love how Reagan-era the fact that McCoy is suddenly treated like a criminal for having what seems like PSTD causing him to seem crazy. Also also, why was the Enterprise being mothballed? Didn't they just loving upgrade it a few years ago? Excellisor is not even out of its beta test and yet the entire fleet is scheduled to be replaced by them or something? Also also also, didn't Kirk just save a his own ship from a pirate that had taken over a Federation gunship? Wouldn't they treat him better on return besides immediately sidelining him? Oh yeah, and that pirate was the most famous dictator from earth's past after Hitler? Maybe Starfleet was just mad that Kirk had just never actually told them about him finding and dumping Khan off on a planet? You'd think they would be smart and at least leave satellites in orbit to make sure the dude doesn't try to get off planet. But since they never checked up on him I'm guessing Kirk never told anyone up the chain of command? I guess Starfleet deserves to look like a bunch of incompetent chumps that ST3 makes them look like by even trusting Kirk with anything in the first place? Of course since Discovery is now canon apparently Starfleet wanted to throw everything having to do with Khan and Genesis into the memory hole now that Spock and Pike are both dead or crippled so they won't be talkin bout no Federation secretzzzzzz I'm guessing Kirk should be lucky that they didn't place a hit out on him like they obviously did with Pike to keep poo poo secret.
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I still maintain they have turbolifts that are basically Wonkavators.
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I like the Excelsior design, fight me But the Oberth is an abomination
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I love the oberth and how dorky and obviously lovely it is
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quote:I mean, even without the whole plot of Vulcans having IMMORTAL SOULS that can be transferred to new bodies-- and yet they haven't done it in ages because Wasn't it because the klingons got the intel on Genesis and it became a massive political flashpoint? quote:Also also, why was the Enterprise being mothballed? Didn't they just loving upgrade it a few years ago? Excellisor is not even out of its beta test and yet the entire fleet is scheduled to be replaced by them or something? About 12 years passed between TMP and TWOK, given the Enterprise was one of the oldest connies and it was totally wrecked by the events of TWOK, it's plausible they may have just said 'gently caress it'. They'd already consigned it to a training ship before that, so it was probably already running behind on upgrades given it wasn't in real service.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I always thought the Obrerth was supposed to be deliberately dorky looking Isn't every ship before Discovery explicitly designed to look dorky and goofy as hell? The first and main ship we ever see is a dumbass flying saucer with stick figure legs coming out of it. I love Star Trek but "cool spaceships" has never been a thing in it. Hell, the cool ship in Discovery I'm thinking of might actually just be the ship from Orville.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I like the Excelsior design, fight me This thread is literally the only place anyone shits on the Excelsior. It's the best Starfleet ship design. Constitution Refit also strong.
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Oct 16, 2019 18:37
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The first Trek I ever watched was TNG so I've always loved the Galaxy class.
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Honestly the decommissioning of the Enterprise isn't all that different than what we see in the real world. The USS Enterprise CVN-65 aircraft carrier underwent a 18 month refurbishing from 2008 to 2010 only to be out of service in 2012 and decommissioned in 2017.
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Khanstant posted:Isn't every ship before Discovery explicitly designed to look dorky and goofy as hell? The first and main ship we ever see is a dumbass flying saucer with stick figure legs coming out of it. I love Star Trek but "cool spaceships" has never been a thing in it. Hell, the cool ship in Discovery I'm thinking of might actually just be the ship from Orville. What is this trash
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