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I want Start Track to have a bad guy whose shop is shaped like a giant version of his own head. Just once, come in it'll be fun
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:I want Start Track to have a bad guy whose shop is shaped like a giant version of his own head. Let's start a goon campaign to fill YouTube comments with this idea and CBS will announce a new show about it next year
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Oct 16, 2019 19:05
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Based on plans for moon-sized Dukat head that could orbit Bajor and make announcements
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:I want Start Track to have a bad guy whose shop is shaped like a giant version of his own head. 
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Oct 16, 2019 19:48
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Ya scrubs Best ship is the Miranda. Only way to improve it would be to add up to three more roll bars. (Then Picard might have captained one, thinking it was a space dune buggy.)
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Oct 17, 2019 05:21
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:Based on plans for moon-sized Dukat head that could orbit Bajor and make announcements The opening scene of Zardoz, except the head says ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS.
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Oct 17, 2019 05:33
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I have only had a distant appreciation for Star Trek on TV, given that the run time and commercials always used to tire the hell out of me as a kid. I've mostly watched it as (TNG) movies. So it is with trepidation and excitement that I am starting a low-filler run of DS9. The stuff that stands out so far: EP 1/2: A Supernatural Being: "What's baseball?" Sisko, having ably explained linear time and the human condition: "I was afraid you'd ask that." Of course in 1992 there was little grasp of the data and analytics that has gripped baseball today, but nonetheless Sisko's little speech about the sport nonetheless captures the satisfaction of seeing the ball bounce the other way or some other way the odds are defied. Even if people at this point still weren't quite aware of the odds. EP3: It's interesting that DS9 has no real teleporter room. One of the platforms in ops is good enough, apparently. Of course the teleporter as a Trek invention designed as a writing tool first and foremost, being that it expedites boarding parties when the writers want one, and blocks boarding parties in battles when the writers don't; so it doesn't really matter, it just looks like someone could easily get telefragged if there's enough extras milling around ops today. You know it sort of blows my mind that I understand the moral dilemmas of this show now in ways that I couldn't grasp when I was ten years old. On one hand I'd like to say this show was ahead of it's time in presenting some of the anxieties of political tension, but it's more likely that I should accept it as proof that nothing has changed and nothing will have changed by the time I'm 60. If the writers were thinking of Ireland when writing this plot about extremism, it applies just as well to the middle east today. I was hoping the Klingon ladies would be back eventually, but apparently this episode was their last TV appearance before teaming up with Malcolm McDowell in Generations. You never come back from that. EP4: Jake's space-jumper goes from brown to purple mid-prank. It's also probably some of the worst fashion in a Trek since the skant, since it's too form fitting for a child to be wearing around the promenade. He can't move to regular (if still very 90s) clothing fast enough. Congrats to Dr. Bashir for bringing a human(oid) life into the world, one with DNA corrosion who will probably die an early death, in an effort to get the extras to leave Odo alone. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Oct 17, 2019 |
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Oct 17, 2019 08:05
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bull3964 posted:Honestly the decommissioning of the Enterprise isn't all that different than what we see in the real world. The USS Enterprise CVN-65 aircraft carrier underwent a 18 month refurbishing from 2008 to 2010 only to be out of service in 2012 and decommissioned in 2017. And it had a reputation as a real piece of poo poo because of its age and experimental design. Ships are withdrawn from service for good reason. Metal fatigues, reactor shielding gets brittle, maintenance piles up and up and up as everything is always on the verge of failure. And then there are tactical concerns in an old warship too.
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Oct 17, 2019 10:58
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Putting aside the (apparently contractually obligated) Burj Al Arab Hotel, I'm kinda disappointed they didn't go with the alternative take they mocked up for Yorktown where it was covered in greenery. I guess it would've made filming the real-world locations a huge pain with having to be painted over with plants, but it looks like a much nicer place to live. 
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Oct 17, 2019 11:27
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Craptacular! posted:You know it sort of blows my mind that I understand the moral dilemmas of this show now in ways that I couldn't grasp when I was ten years old. lol what in the world, you expected not to have developed since you were 10? I mean this is the star trek thread but.... quote:On one hand I'd like to say this show was ahead of it's time in presenting some of the anxieties of political tension, but it's more likely that I should accept it as proof that nothing has changed and nothing will have changed by the time I'm 60. If the writers were thinking of Ireland when writing this plot about extremism, it applies just as well to the middle east today. Ecclesiastes 1:9
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Oct 17, 2019 13:36
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Khanstant posted:Isn't every ship before Discovery explicitly designed to look dorky and goofy as hell? The Nimitz, Walker, and the Cardenas classes all look fine to me. (Hell, I actually like the Cardenas, and I usually hate four-nacelle ships!) The Hoover looks like somebody turned the Millennium Falcon backwards and added an Oberth pod and warp nacelles, though, and the Magee is just lazy. It looks like Doug Drexler just wanted to get out of the office early one Friday, so he slapped that one together and called it a day.
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Oct 17, 2019 14:27
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Arglebargle III posted:And then there are tactical concerns in an old warship too. Yeah, they're mainly around nowadays as a deterrent. Snorb posted:The Nimitz, Walker, and the Cardenas classes all look fine to me. (Hell, I actually like the Cardenas, and I usually hate four-nacelle ships!) Doug Drexler thinking he could go beyond designing props and thinking he could be a good starship designer will never stop being hilarious.
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Oct 17, 2019 14:44
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Eh those last few are really just there to be vague ship-shaped blobs in the background you don't look at, they're like the Yeager or Curry on DS9. (Except we can actually see them because of HD, unlike DS9 where we only know the kitbashes look so silly because of the tech manual and behind the scenes photos.)
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Oct 17, 2019 14:53
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I really like how Star Trek ships have all become greebly messes just like every other generic science fiction spacecraft, it's so cool how everything looks the same
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Oct 17, 2019 16:59
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Craptacular! posted:EP 1/2: In fact, in the late 70s on one of my first trips to a real ball game, I saw a program and was fascinated by the idea that people would keep records of the game as it went along. Maybe that was always there at the fan level but never really much higher except at a surface level/quasi-superstitious level until sabermetrics came along? Discursus over
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Oct 17, 2019 17:13
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Craptacular! posted:It's interesting that DS9 has no real teleporter room. One of the platforms in ops is good enough, apparently. Of course the teleporter as a Trek invention designed as a writing tool first and foremost, being that it expedites boarding parties when the writers want one, and blocks boarding parties in battles when the writers don't; so it doesn't really matter, it just looks like someone could easily get telefragged if there's enough extras milling around ops today. Nah they came up with the transporter because they couldn't afford to have effects shots of shuttlecraft landing on planets on the TOS budget. Transporters are pretty bad for the writing, you constantly have to have excuses for them to not work in order to have some drama.
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Oct 17, 2019 17:30
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Admiralty Flag posted:Even though I'm not a huge baseball fan myself, I grew up around this time with friends, some of whom were not gamers but any stretch of the imagination, all had their Strat-O-Matic set. Was this an aberration or have hardcore fans always been into the stats? Sabremetrics comes from SABR (Society for American Baseball Research) which was founded in 1971, but using that sort of math to analyze baseball goes back well before that. (SABR is for hardcore math and stats nerds who analyze the game to a level of detail that is astounding.)
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Oct 17, 2019 17:32
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Admiralty Flag posted:Even though I'm not a huge baseball fan myself, I grew up around this time with friends, some of whom were not gamers but any stretch of the imagination, all had their Strat-O-Matic set. Was this an aberration or have hardcore fans always been into the stats? You're expressing surprise That fans of a trivial entertainment source Will, with every new event or installment, Obsessively collect its details and minutiae And painstakingly analyze them To fit them together with what's come before. You're expressing surprise at this In a Star Trek thread
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Oct 17, 2019 17:36
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I have no actual proof or evidence to back this up, but sabermetrics is only possible in baseball and no other sport, because no other sport is as plodding and methodically boring as baseball.
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Oct 17, 2019 17:38
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Yorktown talk: - dumb English-centric name for a "center of the Federation" because "Having it based on a specific planet BLAH BLAH". Isn't the Federation on Earth already? - Just make it a loving ring station. Oh wait probably can't do that as Microsoft probably owns the copyright on ring stations now. - Still makes no sense it was right next to some uncharted evil nebula
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Yorktown was the name of the ship in the original pitch for Star Trek. It’s a nerdy meta-reference
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Oct 17, 2019 17:48
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jeeves posted:Yorktown talk: This was a regional HQ/hub, not the center of the federation. quote:- Just make it a loving ring station. Oh wait probably can't do that as Microsoft probably owns the copyright on ring stations now. This was way cooler than a ring.
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Oct 17, 2019 18:35
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with the level of technology we see in Star Trek it makes sense for them to build things like Yorktown and the mushroom spacedock more so than a ring that spins for gravity or something
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Oct 17, 2019 18:54
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Admiralty Flag posted:Even though I'm not a huge baseball fan myself, I grew up around this time with friends, some of whom were not gamers but any stretch of the imagination, all had their Strat-O-Matic set. Was this an aberration or have hardcore fans always been into the stats? People have been keeping records forever, it's part of what makes the history fun because if you want to know what Babe Ruth did as a pitcher it's all right there. But the people who are really serious about this stuff were on the outside looking in for another decade or so at this point. These days, it's not uncommon for a bunch of cameras to be put around the field during practice so that the spin rate of the ball during travel can be analyzed and all sorts of other weird poo poo.
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Oct 17, 2019 19:15
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MikeJF posted:This was a regional HQ/hub, not the center of the federation. yeah it was right at the edge of an unexplored plot nebula
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Oct 17, 2019 19:17
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Tighclops posted:with the level of technology we see in Star Trek it makes sense for them to build things like Yorktown and the mushroom spacedock more so than a ring that spins for gravity or something Yeah, artificial gravity seems like very much a solved problem in all of Trek. It was a fairly trivial modification for Sisko to add it to his solar sailing ship. Gravity failures are so
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Snorb posted:The Nimitz, Walker, and the Cardenas classes all look fine to me. (Hell, I actually like the Cardenas, and I usually hate four-nacelle ships!) Those first three are pretty rad, hadn't seen em before and the address the doofiness of the main show ships. They don't look like they'd snap apart so easily. The millennium falcon ripoff is pretty amusing, from the side you wouldn't know they glued a star wars to their space tubes. The Magee's looks like they took a normal ship design, didn't group them together in illustrator and they hit center and all the chunks get layered on top in the middle. Also it kind of looks like a giant docking mechanism or maybe just giant space clamps, clamping the saucer part. Continuing DS9 watch: Is Quark just a super cosmopolitan Ferengi without a lot of his own races typical biases or are Ferengi in general in this period becoming marginally more progressive? In the span of a few episodes he makes a muttered reference to how Ferengi women don't get any rights, he explores an old love with a Cardassian, flirts with a Vulcan who seems not entirely uninterested. The Cardassian woman was straight up still in love with him after a number of years, so Quark can't be a hardliner for "females can't wear clothes" and that sort of stuff. I hate capitalists and Ferengi typically, but he seems like a great sort in comparison. Khanstant fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Oct 17, 2019 |
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Space Cloaca Edit: Wait, what sharks have. Claspers.
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I guess we've moved on from talking about the wasted potential of the Romulan Star Empire but something that always bothered me about the Romulans and Klingons is that we literally never see conquered species in any capacity. These empires are supposed to be as large as the Federation and we see dozens if not hundreds of species milling around Federation space but the entirety of the Klingon Empire is just Klingons? And you know the Klingons and Romulans don't have a Prime Directive so Sub Commander T'Dick would just land his Bird of Prey on a pre-warp planet and declare himself God and have a bunch of slaves doing the hard work.
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Humerus posted:I guess we've moved on from talking about the wasted potential of the Romulan Star Empire but something that always bothered me about the Romulans and Klingons is that we literally never see conquered species in any capacity. These empires are supposed to be as large as the Federation and we see dozens if not hundreds of species milling around Federation space but the entirety of the Klingon Empire is just Klingons? And you know the Klingons and Romulans don't have a Prime Directive so Sub Commander T'Dick would just land his Bird of Prey on a pre-warp planet and declare himself God and have a bunch of slaves doing the hard work. same and then whenever the Klingon Empire starts to undergo a redemption arc, with regard to making peace with the Federation, they kind of gloss over that they're still conquering places, just not in a way that antagonizes the Federation anymore
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Oct 17, 2019 19:51
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galenanorth posted:and then whenever the Klingon Empire starts to undergo a redemption arc, with regard to making peace with the Federation, they kind of gloss over that they're still conquering places, just not in a way that antagonizes the Federation anymore See, the Federation IS just like America.
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There is nothing unusual about a ferengi hitting on other species'  Quark is a bit of an outlier, though, yeah... just not as much as the rest of his family
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Oct 17, 2019 20:04
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That's what makes the development of the Macquis weird initially. Starfleet just didn't understand that humans wouldn't up and leave wherever they were, and there was no clear policy about conquered peoples. Somewhere in all that you can extrapolate about ethnostates and whatever. There kinda was an implication that Klingons within the Federation were still somehow under the obligation of the Klingon Empire, just like how the Federation was somehow responsible for the Macquis. It's also weird how there are these clear territorial borders where Feddie space extends to this point and abutting against other interstellar states, but the central premise of the show is exploring places where nobody's gone before. Is it just that there's all this territory within Federation borders that nobody's explored yet? What's the Federation policy for when one of the worlds that they passed over because of the Prime Directive starts doing interstellar travel and doesn't appreciate being inside of claimed Federation space? Of course, all of this is just the result of thinking too hard about things that writers probably never considered at the time.
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Oct 17, 2019 20:44
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When trek wants to be about exploration space is a huge unexplored frontier with entire empires that simply have never been contacted yet. When trek wants to be about politics space is suddenly 20th century europe or something with every scrap of land claimed and a series of complex alliances and spheres of influence dividing up these tense borders.
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Oct 17, 2019 21:22
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Humerus posted:I guess we've moved on from talking about the wasted potential of the Romulan Star Empire but something that always bothered me about the Romulans and Klingons is that we literally never see conquered species in any capacity. These empires are supposed to be as large as the Federation and we see dozens if not hundreds of species milling around Federation space but the entirety of the Klingon Empire is just Klingons? And you know the Klingons and Romulans don't have a Prime Directive so Sub Commander T'Dick would just land his Bird of Prey on a pre-warp planet and declare himself God and have a bunch of slaves doing the hard work. Star Trek Online had the Gorn, Nausicaans, and Orions as vassal states of the Klingon Empire, and I think the Ferasans are a vassal state, too (which is why those species are playable. No explanation for Joined Trill, Liberated Borg, Cardassians, and Talaxians of all the species in the galaxy, though.) (And yes, I know those four are there only if you shell out real-world money for them. Also, the Pakleds are Starfleet-playable?! Could have sworn the Ocampa were playable. Maybe I'm just confusing that with that crappy Star Trek: The Roleplaying Game.)
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's also weird how there are these clear territorial borders where Feddie space extends to this point and abutting against other interstellar states, but the central premise of the show is exploring places where nobody's gone before. Is it just that there's all this territory within Federation borders that nobody's explored yet? What's the Federation policy for when one of the worlds that they passed over because of the Prime Directive starts doing interstellar travel and doesn't appreciate being inside of claimed Federation space? Those major states/empires/whatever are all clustered within a comparatively tiny portion of the galaxy. Most of the galaxy is still unexplored by the Federation.
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Oct 17, 2019 22:55
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Snorb posted:The Nimitz, Walker, and the Cardenas classes all look fine to me. (Hell, I actually like the Cardenas, and I usually hate four-nacelle ships!) All of those including the Hoover and Magee do a better job of being "Federation ships from an older time" than whoever it was that decided a Star Trek prequel should star a main ship that's a 24th century design flipped upside down.
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Seemlar posted:All of those including the Hoover and Magee do a better job of being "Federation ships from an older time" than whoever it was that decided a Star Trek prequel should star a main ship that's a 24th century design flipped upside down. That would be Rick Berman.
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Craptacular! posted:It's interesting that DS9 has no real teleporter room. One of the platforms in ops is good enough, apparently. I'm not sure if it's explained in the show but I figure the Cardassians were paranoid enough to not want any civilians beaming on or off their station (it was a slave labor camp, after all). So they put one personnel pad, on ops, for military use only. Anyone else can dock and come through an airlock. The cargo bays have cargo transporters, though.
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