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Look so long as you call people creatively bankrupt politely no one should be allowed to be angry at you. That’s just manners.
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neaden posted:OK, enjoy acting like an rear end in a top hat then. "Rushed in" is me being deliberately hyperbolic but we can start a territorial dispute over this thread and see who has the larger antlers/can grunt the loudest if you want. I suck at urine marking though, so please be kind in that regard. Kai Tave posted:I think there's definitely a well-meaning and polite way to ask a creator what sets their game apart from the things that have inspired it, but doing so by saying things like "the sales pitch of "Persona 5 but woke" feels really shallow and exploitative, like a transparent attempt to manipulate the potential backer into backing a creatively bankrupt campaign" or "this feels like it has absolutely no identity of its own" doesn't really come across like that to me, tbh. Jay's already handled things and I don't care to speak for her in regards to her own project and experiences making it, but I have to admit that reading pack it in's initial post made my eyebrows elevate all the way to the ceiling. To be clear here too, I'm not acting or speaking on Flavivirus' behalf either but that original post doesn't have any grounding in the reality of the game beyond it sharing a color scheme and a similar font choice to P5.
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Oct 18, 2019 03:24
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It's for sure a public space and pack it in is welcome to post here, and other people are free to say that calling someone's game creatively bankrupt and exploitative is a pretty fuckin lovely way to approach "hi I have some questions."
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Oct 18, 2019 03:24
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i'm glad flavivirus has thicker skin than y'all about their own game because at first glance i shared some of those apprehensions about voidheart symphony and the ensuing conversation has made me more interested in checking it out
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Oct 18, 2019 03:27
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Brother Entropy posted:i'm glad flavivirus has thicker skin than y'all about their own game because at first glance i shared some of those apprehensions about voidheart symphony and the ensuing conversation has made me more interested in checking it out So would you have called it creatively bankrupt? Genuinely curious here, because the point isn't "nobody can have apprehensions or questions about a game, how dare you."
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Oct 18, 2019 03:37
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I would like to apologize to Flavivirus for my unwarranted and incredibly rude comments. All of you who called me out, especially Nuns with Guns, are absolutely correct, and I appreciate that you were willing to rightly criticize my unacceptable behavior. Flavivirus gave us the opportunity to engage with the campaign, and instead of bringing forth kindness, I was needlessly confrontational and unpardonably rude. Flavivirus, you have been more than gracious, and I admire that you were able to respond to me with such kindness and empathy when I failed to provide the same. I'm glad that Voidheart Symphony exists. I'm heartened to see so many people excited for it and backing it. The gameplay looks very well thought out, and its themes are especially poignant and important. I will look forward to other UFO Press projects in the future. Flavivirus, I am very sorry for being so cruel. I also wish to apologize to the thread for dragging it down.
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Oct 18, 2019 03:52
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Kai Tave posted:So would you have called it creatively bankrupt? Genuinely curious here, because the point isn't "nobody can have apprehensions or questions about a game, how dare you." i mean, maybe if i was asked directly what i thought about the game at first glance? i dunno, pack it in could've phrased some things better but they were very clearly coming from a genuine place of trying to understand why the game wasn't connecting with them in a way they were initially expecting/hoping. they weren't trying to troll or be an rear end in a top hat for the sake of being an rear end in a top hat, but you wouldn't know it from some of the reactions here
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Oct 18, 2019 03:54
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Brother Entropy posted:i mean, maybe if i was asked directly what i thought about the game at first glance? Speaking only for myself I don't think they're being a troll no, I just think that they went really hard right out of the gate which maybe was down to their disappointment coming through a bit much, but like I said, it definitely made me do a bit of a double-take. My personal bias here is that I own several of Jay's previously published games and "creatively bankrupt" is not a term I would think to associate with her work. pack it in already posted:I would like to apologize to Flavivirus for my unwarranted and incredibly rude comments. All of you who called me out, especially Nuns with Guns, are absolutely correct, and I appreciate that you were willing to rightly criticize my unacceptable behavior. Flavivirus gave us the opportunity to engage with the campaign, and instead of bringing forth kindness, I was needlessly confrontational and unpardonably rude. I mean this thread's had worse arguments in the past, I don't think any lasting harm's been done.
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Oct 18, 2019 03:59
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pack it in already posted:I would like to apologize to Flavivirus for my unwarranted and incredibly rude comments. All of you who called me out, especially Nuns with Guns, are absolutely correct, and I appreciate that you were willing to rightly criticize my unacceptable behavior. Flavivirus gave us the opportunity to engage with the campaign, and instead of bringing forth kindness, I was needlessly confrontational and unpardonably rude. Thanks, I'll withdraw my allegations of your freakiness, too. I'm sorry about that. Unless you want to be a super freak in the classic 1981 R&B single way, that is. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Oct 18, 2019 |
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Oct 18, 2019 04:11
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Kai Tave posted:My personal bias here is that I own several of Jay's previously published games and "creatively bankrupt" is not a term I would think to associate with her work. well hey that's not even 'bias' so much as you just having more context about the game than me. i've heard good things about previous games but when you're between tabletop groups for a few years it gets hard to justify buying even more games, y'know? (i'll go back VS just so i can say something good came from me participating in this little kerfuffle)
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Oct 18, 2019 04:26
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Brother Entropy posted:well hey that's not even 'bias' so much as you just having more context about the game than me. i've heard good things about previous games but when you're between tabletop groups for a few years it gets hard to justify buying even more games, y'know? Probably the, I guess I'd say, biggest game she's worked on that I own is Legacy: Life Among the Ruins which is what I would consider one of the good PbtA hacks out there, a generational post-post-apocalypse game about rebuilding society and factional politics. It's just recently had a second edition and has a number of its own attendant hacks and spinoffs, including Rhapsody of Blood which puts a Castlevania spin on Legacy where your bloodlines and secret societies hunt evil throughout the ages as it periodically reemerges.
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Kai Tave posted:I think there's definitely a well-meaning and polite way to ask a creator what sets their game apart from the things that have inspired it, but doing so by saying things like "the sales pitch of "Persona 5 but woke" feels really shallow and exploitative, like a transparent attempt to manipulate the potential backer into backing a creatively bankrupt campaign" or "this feels like it has absolutely no identity of its own" doesn't really come across like that to me, tbh. Jay's already handled things and I don't care to speak for her in regards to her own project and experiences making it, but I have to admit that reading pack it in's initial post made my eyebrows elevate all the way to the ceiling. pack it in already has a really apt username.
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I dunno if people have heard about the latest Zombicide kickstarter for a 2nd edition of the game, but it's going on now. Anyway, I felt the need to point out that one of the stretch goals that just unlocked is an abomination mini of an old friend of SA's...  So, uh, if you want a Slenderman miniature and rules for using it in games of Zombicide, now you can pledge to their kickstarter and get it, apparently Also, "abomemenation" is terrible
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Oct 18, 2019 11:22
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I do not think “fungus Slenderman” is a thing that needed to exist.
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Oct 18, 2019 20:40
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inklesspen posted:I do not think “fungus Slenderman” is a thing that needed to exist. sounds like a fun guy though
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Ettin posted:sounds like a fun guy though 
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Oct 19, 2019 02:28
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Ettin posted:sounds like a fun guy though MOD- oh, darn.
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Oct 19, 2019 02:42
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Somebody talk me out of 1861: Russia / 1867: Canada. Are they secretly not really a good 18xx intro? Is the designer using his boardgame millions to find eugenics research? Are the pieces still going to be quite poo poo even if they unlock all the stretch goals?
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Oct 19, 2019 21:43
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1861 is one of the worst 18XX games I’ve ever played, dunno if its rebalanced but the version I played was bad
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Oct 19, 2019 21:45
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Mojo Jojo posted:Somebody talk me out of 1861: Russia / 1867: Canada. Are they secretly not really a good 18xx intro? Is the designer using his boardgame millions to find eugenics research? Are the pieces still going to be quite poo poo even if they unlock all the stretch goals? 61 suffers a lot from a snowball effect, where the game is practically decided by the 4s, when the National forms. They have tame stock markets, predictable route building, and... really don't have much to keep your interest in the long term. 67 is a bit better becuase at least you can start minors anywhere and takes away some of the fidliness. They're not awful by any means (I reserve that for poo poo like 1853), but there are plenty of other games I'd rather play - 18 Chesapeake/18MEX/1824/1862 are all coming out in the very near future, and much much better buys. 18 Chessie is particualrly good if you're new to 18xx.
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Pros: Cheap for an 18XX game. And you get two! Supporting a new publisher which means more 18XX games in the future. Train A E S T H E T I C S (sorry JC) Cons: Not the most exciting titles. Not the shortest games, not the longest either, but not a great intro. Probably just buy Chessie or get the new printing of 1830.
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Oct 19, 2019 23:52
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This is the rational off-putting I needed. Thanks team
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The Kickstarter for Root RPG is at nearly $570,000 with 8 hours to go - pretty impressive!
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Apparently this is a thing - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/outerplanetmodels/resin-urbanmech Let's hope Harmony Gold doesn't find out...
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https://twitter.com/Papa_Shell/status/1185910789196177409
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Oct 20, 2019 21:16
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Oct 20, 2019 21:31
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Boy this is just the Year Of The Kickstarter Fiasco, huh?
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Oct 20, 2019 21:43
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This is also how I learned that the Sigmata guy has me blocked on kickstarter even though I've never interacted with him.
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Kai Tave posted:This is also how I learned that the Sigmata guy has me blocked on kickstarter even though I've never interacted with him. You too? Edit: Yes, Papa Roach_clip, I am that Bieeanshee on twitter. Good job!
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Oct 20, 2019 22:22
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quote:We meant no harm, but we still did harm… oh word? you care about that now dude?
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Oct 20, 2019 22:31
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Oct 21, 2019 01:33
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The words he's not finding are "I made a bad hiring decision." Similar to the words he failed to find when he screwed up tiers: "I made a bad pricing decision." As opposed to "I ran this past a bunch of people and everyone told me it was OK."
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Thanlis posted:The words he's not finding are "I made a bad hiring decision." Ah, but you see, SIGMATA guy cannot fail, only be failed. Similarly, anyone criticizing him from the left is why the left fails, while anyone criticizing him from the right is why we all need to unify around him against the right. The key part is that he's correct, you see.
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Echoes of when he complained at people calling out SIGMATA's lovely politics because he hung out with 'anarchists' and they didn't see a problem.
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alg posted:the best ending Aside from the art plagiarism, I missed out on why that KS was bad? Was one of the usual suspects involved? edit: nevermind he's the tool behind Sigmata. I get it now. Humbug Scoolbus fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Oct 21, 2019 |
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Jeez, according to the RPGnet thread there was a prior problem with an artist passing on inappropriately licensed art before the one that shut the Kickstarter down.
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Somehow, against all odds, the Kamigakari kickstarter has posted an update.quote:Hi again, God Hunters. Amy here. Some takeaways: 1). I have no earthly idea who Alan "Milly" Loera is but I have to admit, someone's credentials being "they made a Zelda fangame and also they hang out on our discord" does not inspire an incredible amount of confidence, but at this point it probably can't be much worse than what's come before, so. 2). Amy Veeres is remaining on the project as some sort of unspecified producer, though at this point I have no idea what that entails given that this Milly person is going to be handling all the funding and finances. Someone suggested that she may need to remain the project producer for contractual reasons as the contact with the licensor which makes sense. 3). There's a full translation available in barebones format, though I can't vouch for its exact quality. Promises of refunds and finished print versions are still being made for whatever you feel that's worth. 4). lol Todd Crapper
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Kai Tave posted:Somehow, against all odds, the Kamigakari kickstarter has posted an update. Todd Crapper does alright layout work at least, though that pitch for Alan Loera raises more questions that it answers. My main lingering question is... given they're using all of Noelle's translation, was she paid for the work? Has this mystery funding given them enough money to pay for the unpaid work of the folks who left the kickstarter over it?
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