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ilitarist posted:A person claiming to be WW2 history buff. Which of those things do you think he is interested in: It also doesn't help that map games send certain people hard into Dunning-Kruger territory. (Especially right-leaning white boy gamer types who already tend to operate on the assumption that they're the smartest most "rational" person in the room.) They get a rudimentary understanding of a period from pop-history books, subreddits full of similar types, and paradox and similar games and realize that they're the only person they know irl who knows who Ladislaus Postumus is or can identify the Principality of Tver on a map. Then they end up thinking they're on the level of credentialed historians. And when credentialed historians disagree with them, as in "actually, the Wehrmacht wasn't clean" or "actually, indigenous north americans had many advanced societies," they double-down hard and can end up diving into the far-right rabbit hole because dudes like Stefan Molyneux will reassure them that they were correct all along and academia is overrun by turbowoke communist liars. Anyway, I hope CK3 ends up good.
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LordMune posted:I gave up working on our cool space game to be content design lead on CK3 you guys better like it!! I suspect "liking it" won't be the problem remembering to eat and sleep will be the problem
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:It also doesn't help that map games send certain people hard into Dunning-Kruger territory. (Especially right-leaning white boy gamer types who already tend to operate on the assumption that they're the smartest most "rational" person in the room.) one funny side effect of playing these dumb map games is my geography is both excellent but completely out of date.
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ilitarist posted:https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/buyer-beware-potential-qa-issues-at-paradox-may-affect-the-quality-of-ck3.1262056/ Disappointing as hell, yet unsurprising. Don't have heros. Shocks me that even in sweden things can be no better than america. Death to capitialism (and release vicky 3)
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Much like how the New Deal policies were slowly dismantled by capital with the enthusiastic consent of the boomer middle class as they pulled the ladder up after them selves, similar things have been happening in our favourite social democracies in europe. They managed to build up a better and bigger network of social services and economic regulations so it's taking a little longer for capital to dismantle them, but that's the direction it's going for a long time now.
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Dreylad posted:one funny side effect of playing these dumb map games is my geography is both excellent but completely out of date. Wow, you don't know where Pontus was? *Points* Here, you buffoon, you simpleton, you loving clown. Oh, Syria? Uh....
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Chomp8645 posted:Wow, you don't know where Pontus was? *Points* Here, you buffoon, you simpleton, you loving clown. Belg- what now? Can't say I've ever heard of it.
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Similarly: check out this hosed up map that forgot to put the Aral sea in
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Dreylad posted:one funny side effect of playing these dumb map games is my geography is both excellent but completely out of date. My favourite dumb thing about map games is it tells me how dumb I am which leads to getting lost in wiki holes about obscure historical events.
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The bad pay kinda stands out, especially at that level (and in Stockholm). Also like Drone mentioned in his write up the overall feel of the convention was... pretty cheap. The catering was bad and the after show activities didn’t really have anything going for them, they also locked the baron level ticket holders out on the Sunday. There were apparently goodie bags made (see below tweet) but they never acknowledged that the actual thing people got was a T-shirt and an envelope and that felt a bit lovely. https://twitter.com/quill18/status/1185952744731009024?s=21
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Chomp8645 posted:Wow, you don't know where Pontus was? *Points* Here, you buffoon, you simpleton, you loving clown. Syria? OH, you mean the Abbasid caliphate. I know where that is.
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Demiurge4 posted:, they also locked the baron level ticket holders out on the Sunday. Well, CK3 isn’t out yet so
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Chomp8645 posted:Wow, you don't know where Pontus was? *Points* Here, you buffoon, you simpleton, you loving clown. *jumps out window*
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Arrhythmia posted:Similarly: check out this hosed up map that forgot to put the Aral sea in Lol but also 
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hobbesmaster posted:PDS and the publisher are quasi distinct entities. The complaint was about publisher QA, not PDS QA. it depends on the relationship but the publisher is often times doing the qa in these sorts of scenarios, IE ea etc. given it's technically still in house it probably is one in the same probably.
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Dreylad posted:one funny side effect of playing these dumb map games is my geography is both excellent but completely out of date. "Man where is Bratislava anyway" "Oh, PRESSBURG, now I know what they're talking about."
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the meeting areas of german and west slavs is the worst for that
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Dreylad posted:one funny side effect of playing these dumb map games is my geography is both excellent but completely out of date. I once got in an argument with someone over whether Poland was landlocked or not.
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Fister Roboto posted:I once got in an argument with someone over whether Poland was landlocked or not. so did poland
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Can't be landlocked if you can into space. *Eddie Murphy taps forehead*
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Chomp8645 posted:Can't be landlocked if you can into space. All black people right?
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So Paradox: 1. Announced CK3 instead of Vicky 3, which is going to be bare bones on release but will make CK2 unplayable somehow. 2. Dipped its toes into the mobile market with Stellaris for mobile. 3. Launched a new launcher for Stellaris that sucks rear end and wiped out my 150+ mods. Paradox why do you do this to me? What the gently caress is wrong with you?
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But really they should make an Industrial revolution type game
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(Now that I'm calmer:)LordMune posted:I gave up working on our cool space game to be content design lead on CK3 you guys better like it!!
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I share your concerns about the amount of content in launch CK3 given the current DLC structure, but you know LordMune isn't going be able to answer a question like that.
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Well at the very least Base CK3 is going to have elements from way of life, given there are focus trees:
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I'm guessing Prowess is the new name for Personal Combat skill. Anyone wanna guess what 'control' is? Something related to managing your realm, probably.
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The downside to the Paradox model has always been that a sequel starts out comparatively barebones. Hopefully seeing as CK3 has been in the pipeline for some time it'll be somewhere between CK2 release and CK2 today, rather than dropping all the way back. Paradox pay your people properly, treat them right, and for gently caress's sake handle allegations of sexual misconduct properly. Also give us Vicky 3 already, god in heaven.
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Hellioning posted:I'm guessing Prowess is the new name for Personal Combat skill. Anyone wanna guess what 'control' is? Something related to managing your realm, probably. Province specific revolt measure - less control, more likely revolts.
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We can't really import ready-made features from CK2 DLCs, partly due to prohibitive technical differences, but mostly due to subtle (and not so subtle) design changes between the two games. As correctly assumed above I can't go into details at this stage, but we're both aware of the inevitable CK2 comparisons and dedicated to making the best and most cohesive base game possible (which is often antithetical to just cramming in content, but there will still be some crammin'). It'll be bigger than CK2 was at launch, let's put it that way for now.
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Yeah it's been mentioned before that some things learned from CK2 DLC will be in base CK3. Did you guys not read about the map and some other features that were mentioned? Assuming a 50euro game will be as big in content as a 50euro + 300euro DLC game might be a bad take. What will we see first, Victoria3 or HL3?
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Hellioning posted:I'm guessing Prowess is the new name for Personal Combat skill. Anyone wanna guess what 'control' is? Something related to managing your realm, probably. It’s some sort of province value, I’m guessing something like local autonomy. You can see it in a province details screen in one of the other shots.
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Oh yeah did anyone else (besides those of us who were there live) notice that one of the first things the new CEO did on-stage on Saturday was to greet/thank The Shareholders (tm)? Pay your people a decent wage and stop using "passion for the hobby" as it's own reward. Otherwise Paradox is gonna turn into Games Workshop (before they changed course and started being halfway good again)
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ilitarist posted:https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/buyer-beware-potential-qa-issues-at-paradox-may-affect-the-quality-of-ck3.1262056/ I always tell CS majors that they should steer clear of game development. It almost always (with the possible exception of some indie studios) offers worse jobs in this field than any other businesses. And the reasons are always the same: crunch and unpaid overtime, toxic culture and pitiful wage. The reason why this field is that bad is because there is nothing that could push it to improve. There is no reason to care about quality, because gamers will buy any crap that's marketed well enough, even if it's unfinished or still on the drawing board. And there is no incentive to care about your employees, there is always more of prior who want to work in this business. Grow big enough and you no longer have to care, you can exploit your programmers until they burn out and replace them with students on internships, or whatever is cheaper.
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Tahirovic posted:What will we see first, Victoria3 or HL3? the idea of HL3 presupposes a valve that still makes video games
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Ms Adequate posted:The downside to the Paradox model has always been that a sequel starts out comparatively barebones. EU4 at launch had almost everything EU3 had after years of expansions with more features besides.
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Vichan posted:EU4 at launch had almost everything EU3 had after years of expansions with more features besides. Yeah, we haven’t actually had any sequels to anything made in the endless DLC era. CK3 will be the first.
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LordMune posted:We can't really import ready-made features from CK2 DLCs, partly due to prohibitive technical differences, but mostly due to subtle (and not so subtle) design changes between the two games. As correctly assumed above I can't go into details at this stage, but we're both aware of the inevitable CK2 comparisons and dedicated to making the best and most cohesive base game possible (which is often antithetical to just cramming in content, but there will still be some crammin'). I hope you won't forget to include swimming pools on release.
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Taear posted:A lot of Paradox employees post here (and come from here) and none of them have ever really given the impression that it's as horrible as that makes out. You can be fired for being publically "disloyal" so no one would in the hypothetical scenario that they agreed.
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