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ewiley
Jul 9, 2003

More trash for the trash fire

cr0y posted:

Can someone tell me what exactly the point of Facebook's internet money is? What is the worst case scenario with it?

you need a credit card or bank to use venmo or PayPal or the like. This sidesteps that requirement and theoretically allows unbanked people a way to conduct transactions. Also it dodges international transfer fees because there's no currency conversion at the time of transaction.

Worst case scenarios are bitcoin like speculation, currency manipulation by facebook, criminal use that side steps banking laws, and probably some others I'm not thinking of. Could also be problematic converting to actual currency too (who sets the value of a zuckbuck to the dollar? To the pound? Or rinmenbi?)

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thin blue whine
Feb 21, 2004
PLEASE SEE POLICY


Soiled Meat

ryde posted:

Yeah, think M-Pesa with a global market and global transfers. Thats probably the goal.


AFAIK they haven't said anything about paying FB employees in Libra.

Well, they asked what the worst case scenario is and we should all assume this is where it's heading.

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Vroom vroom, BEEP BEEP!
Nap Ghost

cr0y posted:

Can someone tell me what exactly the point of Facebook's internet money is? What is the worst case scenario with it?

This is speculation on my part, but:

They're trying to create an "ecosystem" and make it easier for money to change hands within that. If you have your own currency, you can get people to exchange money across nations and other currencies. You can reduce the barrier of entry to them using your platform as well, giving users a way to ask for money, trade services and favors, etc.etc. The company that controls that system gets two principal things, that I can tell: they can skim a little off the top of each transaction as a "service fee" or similar, but the real value is tons of data about the transactions themselves. Depending on how it's set up, they could get varying degrees of information on their users. Note that this will probably be true even if the transactions themselves are anonymized. Google makes tons of money on ad revenue by selling the targeted profiles they create of people using the services they provide for free, like email and search, even though the people buying this access have no insight into the data that does the targeting; this would be something similar.

Worst case scenario it becomes the new global currency, and it's all in the hands of a company not known for having its users best interests at heart (and with no way to remove them). Realistically, though, worst case is more likely that a bunch of people get scammed and have no recourse except what FaceBook wants to give them.

DarkHorse fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Oct 24, 2019

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003
fwiw, predictit odds for impeachment went from 70% to 78% in a couple of days. For stuff like this, moves often take place because of inside baseball activities going on in DC

DeeplyConcerned
Apr 29, 2008

I can fit 3 whole bud light cans now, ask me how!

It’s a terrible location. No golf courses few hotels...just awful. Stay away!

1glitch0
Sep 4, 2018

I DON'T GIVE A CRAP WHAT SHE BELIEVES THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS CHANGED MY LIFE #HUFFLEPUFF

Rodenthar Drothman posted:

To feed your starving cat family.

A fancy feast in every bowl, a ball with a bell in it on every floor, a laser light on every wall, catnip in every toy. This is the America we need to strive for.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

DarkHorse posted:

They're trying to create an "ecosystem" and make it easier for money to change hands within that. If you have your own currency, you can get people to exchange money across nations and other currencies. You can reduce the barrier of entry to them using your platform as well, giving users a way to ask for money, trade services and favors, etc.etc. The company that controls that system gets two principal things, that I can tell: they can skim a little off the top of each transaction as a "service fee" or similar, but the real value is tons of data about the transactions themselves. Depending on how it's set up, they could get varying degrees of information on their users.

yeah it's this, not company scrip. facebucks would be real handy when it comes to running an online marketplace

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
What’s the exchange rate from Libra to Canadian Tire Dollars

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

Zotix posted:

Was it ever disclosed how these ~30 Republicans actually got to enter the room? I can't imagine a SCIF in the capitol building is just sitting unlocked while the testimony is going on in-front of committee members.

Our system is not actually to tell white guys in suits not to do literally anything ever. In retrospect it was kind of a big mistake that maybe they should have seen coming

Relatedly,

oxsnard posted:

Imagine being white, not homeless looking and actually getting busted for shoplifting lol

She has some really obvious mental health issues and outside of a couple of photos for social media or whatever she absolutely looks a lot more like someone possibly in crisis

Ice Phisherman posted:

Why are republican politics such a loving shitshow?

Rhetorical question, sure, but being a party that is almost without exception white and male and where advancement is predicated upon whiteness and maleness is maybe not a very good system for advancing people with potential. Especially when the potential that matters at the moment wrt republican politics is 'ability to reach out and not alienate demographics they 100% need to win over to remain relevant in the future'

As with other things, this was a big oversight that perhaps could've been seen coming

Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Oct 24, 2019

ewiley
Jul 9, 2003

More trash for the trash fire

oxsnard posted:

fwiw, predictit odds for impeachment went from 70% to 78% in a couple of days. For stuff like this, moves often take place because of inside baseball activities going on in DC

the Nats actually made it to the world series and won their first game, so there's definitely something strange going on in DC.

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003

luxury handset posted:

yeah it's this, not company scrip. facebucks would be real handy when it comes to running an online marketplace

There's a reason why credit card company stocks are well loved by value investors, even at elevated valuations. "Compounders" as they're called. Having a working currency would make revenues less susceptible to cyclical ad spends by a few key industries

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Vroom vroom, BEEP BEEP!
Nap Ghost

oxsnard posted:

fwiw, predictit odds for impeachment went from 70% to 78% in a couple of days. For stuff like this, moves often take place because of inside baseball activities going on in DC

Doesn't PredictIt start getting weird when things get closer to a sure thing? Like, bets are limited to $500 or something, so the market can't adjust if a bunch of people want to buy more of a (not that risky) proposition but have already hit cap?

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice

Herstory Begins Now posted:

She has some really obvious mental health issues and outside of a couple of photos for social media or whatever she absolutely looks a lot more like someone possibly in crisis

She reminds me a lot of Laura Loomer. Both of them are insane narcissists who crave attention at all costs for any reason and were smart enough to recognize a niche where they could grift for attention, but too lazy to actually learn anything about what they are supposed to do there. They got a truly immense amount of attention simply for stepping into the spotlight shined by the conservative griftosphere, but then once the applause faded and they were expected to do something they just vomited and started crying and got arrested live on stage.

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017




I refuse to believe this is real. Come the gently caress on

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

Stereotype posted:

She reminds me a lot of Laura Loomer. Both of them are insane narcissists who crave attention at all costs for any reason and were smart enough to recognize a niche where they could grift for attention, but too lazy to actually learn anything about what they are supposed to do there. They got a truly immense amount of attention simply for stepping into the spotlight shined by the conservative griftosphere, but then once the applause faded and they were expected to do something they just vomited and started crying and got arrested live on stage.

Laura Loomer seems substantially higher functioning, this girl speaks in pure word salad

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

TulliusCicero posted:

I refuse to believe this is real. Come the gently caress on

Nothing is too stupid for this reality.

yronic heroism
Oct 31, 2008

Charlz Guybon posted:

So, that very enthusiastic to vote stat posted earlier

IIRC December 2015 was 20% D, 38% R and the actual vote percentage was 48% to 46%, with Dems winning the national vote by 2%. So, a 20% swing.

So, if that were the same in 2020, a 53% D, 56% R stat would imply a Democratic landslide, like 57% to 40%.

These are really apples and oranges. One is a share of the total vote and another is percentage of X party voters feeling enthusiastic (even though plenty of people vote without becoming fired up).

oxsnard posted:

fwiw, predictit odds for impeachment went from 70% to 78% in a couple of days. For stuff like this, moves often take place because of inside baseball activities going on in DC

Who is the 20-30 percent betting that the House will not impeach? Lord, there’s dumb money out there.

Tree Bucket
Apr 1, 2016

R.I.P.idura leucophrys

haveblue posted:

The whole building is secured against unauthorized intruders from outside, it’s not secured against congresspeople deciding to flagrantly violate their own rules.

I feel like this post sums up a really large number of problems.

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003

DarkHorse posted:

Doesn't PredictIt start getting weird when things get closer to a sure thing? Like, bets are limited to $500 or something, so the market can't adjust if a bunch of people want to buy more of a (not that risky) proposition but have already hit cap?

There's a limit to how much a single person can purchase (up to $800 per contract or something). I mopped up in 2015-17 (a lot from betting on Trump) but I realized I was starting to develop a problematic relationship with gambling.

Anyways the single person limit helps prevent whales from outwardly moving prices. When lots of "normal" people start to get wind of stuff, you see these defined moves out of coin flip territory (30-70%) and usually it's surprisingly predictive

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice

DarkHorse posted:

Doesn't PredictIt start getting weird when things get closer to a sure thing? Like, bets are limited to $500 or something, so the market can't adjust if a bunch of people want to buy more of a (not that risky) proposition but have already hit cap?

There is a maximum amount of money you can wager, so after awhile all the addicts are maxed out. Additionally you can’t buy as many “sure things” as you can “long shots” since the max is a dollar amount, not a share quantity.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

DarkHorse posted:

Doesn't PredictIt start getting weird when things get closer to a sure thing? Like, bets are limited to $500 or something, so the market can't adjust if a bunch of people want to buy more of a (not that risky) proposition but have already hit cap?

Is there a reason for the cap?

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003

Charlz Guybon posted:

Is there a reason for the cap?

It's some loophole so they can avoid being classified as a casino/bookie (it's totally a bookie though)

Doloen
Dec 18, 2004

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

Omar's district is really, really blue, like D+20,which means that its going to be hard to recruit strong challengers. Why run into that headwind when you can run for state office which is far more favorable? Grifters abhor a vacuum so a pretty young woman who wears a big cross and touts the GOP line is going to at least get initial interest and a shot at the money spigot.

There are four other republicans running in that primary, Stella isn't likely to get more than single digit support, if that. I wish people would stop posting poo poo about her.

1glitch0
Sep 4, 2018

I DON'T GIVE A CRAP WHAT SHE BELIEVES THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS CHANGED MY LIFE #HUFFLEPUFF

TulliusCicero posted:

I refuse to believe this is real. Come the gently caress on

This is like one of the least dumb things to happen in the last 12 hours!!!!

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice

oxsnard posted:

It's some loophole so they can avoid being classified as a casino/bookie (it's totally a bookie though)

Charlz Guybon posted:

Is there a reason for the cap?

The CFTC has issued guidance that “political indicator markets” operated by non-profit universities are not regulated if they have a limit of 5000 traders per market and a limit of an $850 investment by any specific trader on any market.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Every loving day feels like it is equally possible that we're either seeing the death rattle of the GOP or the total fascist takeover of the US and an end to a lawful Republic. It has been like this for three years. I'm exhausted.

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



Zophar posted:

Every loving day feels like it is equally possible that we're either seeing the death rattle of the GOP or the total fascist takeover of the US and an end to a lawful Republic. It has been like this for three years. I'm exhausted.

Exhaustion is the end goal of the fascist in order to get you to accept their rule. Go take a break.

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003
Anyways, I did the math a few years ago. Yes/No markets with sufficient trading volume that are dependent on the actions of a small group of people (so not elections, and no random poo poo like "number of trump tweets") that reach 85c resolve that way 95%+ of the time. Realized odds skyrocketing starting at like 75-80%. At 95 cents, the realized odds approach 99% during the time that predictit has been around. So snapping up as many 85c contracts as you can is sort of like shorting volatility. Long term, people are irrational and remember the long shots panning out. Risks are asymmetrical. Could easily clear 10% a year compounded until you run out of contracts/markets available to buy. I let discipline go too often though so that's why I stopped.

Big moves in these markets have meaning though so I still keep an eye on them

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Zophar posted:

Every loving day feels like it is equally possible that we're either seeing the death rattle of the GOP or the total fascist takeover of the US and an end to a lawful Republic. It has been like this for three years. I'm exhausted.

i feel like the latter is alot less likely in the intimidate future. trump doesnt have the support to go full fuehrer. if this kills the gop(probably not, though i hope it cripples them for a while) gently caress if i know.

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1187173698610040833?s=19

DeeplyConcerned
Apr 29, 2008

I can fit 3 whole bud light cans now, ask me how!

cr0y posted:

Can someone tell me what exactly the point of Facebook's internet money is? What is the worst case scenario with it?

If you’re doing a money transfer business you can make money off the float. The profits on 1.5 billion people‘s worth of money transfers would be enormous

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.
https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1187173835713449985?s=19

DeeplyConcerned
Apr 29, 2008

I can fit 3 whole bud light cans now, ask me how!

TulliusCicero posted:

I refuse to believe this is real. Come the gently caress on

I know right? Who in gods name would name their child Matt Schlapp?

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

so basically what the did was always actually illegal.

ryde
Sep 9, 2011

God I love young girls

Does that mean that Biden not only had the White House's backing but Congress's too? I don't know much about the specific details on how that was authorized.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1187168034835894272

quote:

if my client was a terrorist

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

quote:

1) Here's a tic-toc of what happened when 25-30 GOPers barged into the secure area in the SCIF to observe the closed door deposition of Pentagon official Laura Cooper.

2) Once GOPers entered the SCIF, Intel Cmte summoned Sgt at Arms. GOPers who barged in were not mbrs of Intel/Oversight/Foreign Affairs Cmtes. “It was a violation of House rules and decorum,” said one source.

3) Fox is told the GOPers actually entered not just the non-secure anteroom and hallways of the SCIF (Sensitive Compartmentalized Information Facility), but the secure room where Cooper was to be deposed. That’s where members are not supposed to have electronic devices.

4) Some Republicans who barged into the SCIF said publicly they never violated the secure area rules for electronic devices. But Fox is told they did violate those rules.
5) Fox is told that Congressional security officials told the members to surrender their phones. Meadows helped round up the phones. Even though that was helpful, Fox is told that such devices should have never been brought into the secure room in the first place.

6) Fox is told there was never any chance mbrs who barged into SCIF would be arrested by USCP wBut some mbrs members asked to be arrested. They wanted the optic of being frog marched out of the SCIF in front of TV cameras. That would help w/GOP narrative of Dem process abuse

7) Fox is told even if mbrs broke Hse decorum rules trying to attend Cooper deposition, there really wasn’t much security officials could do. "They're mbrs..there's no real punishment for breaking the rules," said source. "They’re expected to adhere to the rules."

8) One issue about potentially punishing mbrs who barged into SCIF without permission: the deposition w/DoD official Laura Cooper was being held in a classified space…BUT, the deposition itself was not classified. So that created a problem.

9) After GOPers barged into SCIF, Schiff decided to wait them out for Cooper deposition. A mid-afternoon vote series was slated on the House floor. Dems suspected GOP would vacate the SCIF to vote. They did. Cooper's deposition started around 3:20 pm et

10) From one GOPer who barged into the SCIF, then relented later so DoD official Laura Cooper could be deposted: "We made our point.”

11) Once mbrs who barged into SCIF surrendered phones, it was swept for electronic devices. However, Fox is told at least one mbr did not yield device. Room then had to be "scrubbed." Process consumed about 2 hours

12) Homeland Security Cmte Chair Thompson wrote to Sgt at Arms Irving raising “serious concerns” about the security of SCIFs after today's violation. Thompson asks Irving to “take action with respect to the Members involved in the breach.”

13) Fox is told it’s possible members who violated the rules of the SCIF Could be referred to the House Ethics Committee.

Brony Car
May 22, 2014

by Cyrano4747

Zophar posted:

Every loving day feels like it is equally possible that we're either seeing the death rattle of the GOP or the total fascist takeover of the US and an end to a lawful Republic. It has been like this for three years. I'm exhausted.

Imagine having felt this way between 2006-2008 too.

They'll never go away completely.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

Ummmmmmmm

https://mobile.twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1187168034835894272

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ryde
Sep 9, 2011

God I love young girls
Totally a thing that a not-guilty person would say.

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