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justcola
May 22, 2004

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

chestnut santabag posted:

OK, next question would be how to help developing countries.
Reparations and significant interest free investment? Nah it'd be all "the best help we can give them is to take back control of their countries just like in the good old days".
Otherwise, the other takeaway from this is that if developing countries improve then there's less reason for them foreigners to come to our country (not really a bad thing in consideration of reducing global inequality and preventing excessive centralisation but the xenophobia part is a bit uh problematic)

Africa is an investment opportunity. Imagine a ring of solar farms circling the continent. Forget AI, you could *sponsor* an actual person to book your uber as you move from the gym to the board room, using our new crpyto everything is secure. We want to support entrepreneurs to engage in smart working at an international level - we're looking at rebranding some of these countries via next generation influencers and a PR event bigger than the moon landing, bigger than Ryan's Toy Reviews. We're not even asking for a significant amount of interest, the real value is knowing that your money is making the world a better place.

e: 241 is a multibuy deal that makes you realise you're usually paying twice as much for the item for it to be viable.

justcola fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Oct 24, 2019

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pitch a fitness
Mar 19, 2010

BigHandsVince posted:

Are you using via USB, or Analogue and a seperate interface?

I've been looking to upgrade from a portable recorder for a while.

Cheers

Lol, I'm using the usb input, bog-standard soundcard and recording through powerpoint. Compared to others here who record their material with laptop / webcam mics, itsounds pretty nice.

So if you're at an extremely base-level set-up, I'd recommend but I have no idea whether it's actually any good

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

justcola posted:

Africa is an investment opportunity. Imagine a ring of solar farms circling the continent. Forget AI, you could *sponsor* an actual person to book your uber as you move from the gym to the board room, using our new crpyto everything is secure. We want to support entrepreneurs to engage in smart working at an international level - we're looking at rebranding some of these countries via next generation influencers and a PR event bigger than the moon landing, bigger than Ryan's Toy Reviews. We're not even asking for a significant amount of interest, the real value is knowing that your money is making the world a better place.
Forget Swaziland, this is the exciting IPO of eSwatini!

Camrath
Mar 19, 2004

The UKMT Fudge Baron


kyojin posted:

She stepped down about a month ago, no reason given as to why. Hustings for the replacement are this coming Sunday - if you are a fully paid up member who joined before 21 April you should have received an email from David on Monday evening, email them if you're eligible but didn't get anything, pm me if you need the details

Eh, no great loss- she was bottom of my ballot anyway (though only because Wolmar dropped around my place and made a fuss of my cat.. only actual engagement I had from any of the candidates). Going to try and be along to Friern Barnet on Sunday to elect as left a candidate as possible.

Edit: loving hell, seeing why she stepped down I have a smidgen more respect for her. Googling around throws up almost nothing but handwringing bullshit from the JC.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Pistol_Pete posted:

Anyone going to the Labour rally in Bristol later on? Corbs is supposed to be speaking there.

Yep, looking forward to it :D

Flatscan
Mar 27, 2001

Outlaw Journalist

xtothez posted:

That's silly. Jess Phillips or Wes Streeting will feel left out.

Phillips is such a narcissist that she's completely incapable of doing anything anonymously.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Pistol_Pete posted:

Anyone going to the Labour rally in Bristol later on? Corbs is supposed to be speaking there.

I am. If anyone wants to go, it's at 7:45 and you have to send an e-mail RSVP.

In other news, this is rad:

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1187316544952516608?s=21

Pesmerga
Aug 1, 2005

So nice to eat you

Darth Walrus posted:

I am. If anyone wants to go, it's at 7:45 and you have to send an e-mail RSVP.

In other news, this is rad:

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1187316544952516608?s=21

This awesome, I know someone with a kid with cystic fibrosis and so if thy is drug helps, it’s a life changer.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Darth Walrus posted:

I am. If anyone wants to go, it's at 7:45 and you have to send an e-mail RSVP.

In other news, this is rad:

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1187316544952516608?s=21

First thing to make me smile out loud for awhile

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
And great to throw at anyone saying "useless Corbyn what has he even done in the past 4 years"

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






Guavanaut posted:

And great to throw at anyone saying "useless Corbyn what has he even done in the past 4 years"
lol these people are disingenuous as gently caress. They'll read it as "Corbyn takes sole credit for the victory of hardworking centrist activists despite only supporting the campaign a month ago and not once mentioning it at the FBPE rallies that he never attends".

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Darth Walrus posted:

I am. If anyone wants to go, it's at 7:45 and you have to send an e-mail RSVP.


Yeah, got my confirmation 😎

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there
The drug has very little apparent effect, regrettably, at high cost. However, far be it from me to deny it to those afflicted.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

This title contains sponsored content.

gh0stpinballa posted:

someone mentioned mark fisher earlier and one thing i've been thinking about lately is how after the brief rush of vindication when you call something right - this time it was extinction rebellion being an op - afterwards, it's just depressing to think there doesn't seem to be any escape from it. everything gets co opted and shaped towards the aims of capital.

If you're looking for and finding reasons to mentally check off every counter-capitalist effort then you're doing capital's work for it. From the Essay Which Must Not Be Named:

quote:

One of the things that broke me out of this depressive stupor was going to the People’s Assembly in Ipswich, near where I live. The People’s Assembly had been greeted with the usual sneers and snarks. This was, we were told, a useless stunt, in which media leftists, including Jones, were aggrandising themselves in yet another display of top-down celebrity culture. What actually happened at the Assembly in Ipswich was very different to this caricature. The first half of the evening – culminating in a rousing speech by Owen Jones – was certainly led by the top-table speakers. But the second half of the meeting saw working class activists from all over Suffolk talking to each other, supporting one another, sharing experiences and strategies. Far from being another example of hierarchical leftism, the People’s Assembly was an example of how the vertical can be combined with the horizontal: media power and charisma could draw people who hadn’t previously been to a political meeting into the room, where they could talk and strategise with seasoned activists. The atmosphere was anti-racist and anti-sexist, but refreshingly free of the paralysing feeling of guilt and suspicion which hangs over left-wing twitter like an acrid, stifling fog.

Yes, XR is immature and almost certainly compromised. But where is the left, that must be doing so well to be able to discount out-of-hand popular large-scale anti-capitalist action?

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

Rust Martialis posted:

The drug has very little apparent effect, regrettably, at high cost. However, far be it from me to deny it to those afflicted.

Not that I disbelieve you but - source?

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

josh04 posted:

If you're looking for and finding reasons to mentally check off every counter-capitalist effort then you're doing capital's work for it. From the Essay Which Must Not Be Named:


Yes, XR is immature and almost certainly compromised. But where is the left, that must be doing so well to be able to discount out-of-hand popular large-scale anti-capitalist action?

What 'forbidden essay' is this from?

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




ThomasPaine posted:

What 'forbidden essay' is this from?

Exiting the Vampire's Castle.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Necrothatcher posted:

Exiting the Vampire's Castle.

Ah yes. A very good essay indeed, cancel me if you can.

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!

Rust Martialis posted:

The drug has very little apparent effect, regrettably, at high cost. However, far be it from me to deny it to those afflicted.

It's a mixed bag results wise but crucially the deal also includes access to their upcoming drugs at equivalent prices which by all indications are going to be much more effective. The NHS has got the manufacturer to a price point of below £20,000/year and combined with the deal on their pipeline drugs I can confidently say that this deal is unambiguously good and an excellent demonstration of what health services can achieve when they hold firm against pharma companies being greedy.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Saros posted:

It's a mixed bag results wise but crucially the deal also includes access to their upcoming drugs at equivalent prices which by all indications are going to be much more effective. The NHS has got the manufacturer to a price point of below £20,000/year and combined with the deal on their pipeline drugs I can confidently say that this deal is unambiguously good and an excellent demonstration of what health services can achieve when they hold firm against pharma companies being greedy.

It would be even cheaper and more efficient if they were all nationalised

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

josh04 posted:

Yes, XR is immature and almost certainly compromised. But where is the left, that must be doing so well to be able to discount out-of-hand popular large-scale anti-capitalist action?

Your mistake here is thinking XR is anticapitalist

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Rarity posted:

Your mistake here is thinking XR is anticapitalist

That said some branches are. XR Scotland are very good and directly @'d the London lot lol

E: case in point

https://twitter.com/ScotlandXr/status/1185587030773907456?s=19

coffeetable
Feb 5, 2006

TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

Saros posted:

It's a mixed bag results wise but crucially the deal also includes access to their upcoming drugs at equivalent prices which by all indications are going to be much more effective. The NHS has got the manufacturer to a price point of below £20,000/year and combined with the deal on their pipeline drugs I can confidently say that this deal is unambiguously good and an excellent demonstration of what health services can achieve when they hold firm against pharma companies being greedy.
is it coincidental that the NICE threshold per QALY is £20-30k/year? because it sounds like NICE didn't budge an inch, heck yeah

coffeetable fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Oct 24, 2019

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

ThomasPaine posted:

That said some branches are. XR Scotland are very good and directly @'d the London lot lol

E: case in point

https://twitter.com/ScotlandXr/status/1185587030773907456?s=19
The Final Battle of humanity will be Scots vs. Landlords. The Duke of Buccleuch sits in the corner punching himself in the balls.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Saros posted:

It's a mixed bag results wise but crucially the deal also includes access to their upcoming drugs at equivalent prices which by all indications are going to be much more effective. The NHS has got the manufacturer to a price point of below £20,000/year and combined with the deal on their pipeline drugs I can confidently say that this deal is unambiguously good and an excellent demonstration of what health services can achieve when they hold firm against pharma companies being greedy.

£20k a years.
That like four or five Tory dinner invites.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
They talk a lot about how the government can't run IT services it doesn't know anything about but fail to explain how unproven IT companies bought out by venture capitalists are any better if not massively worse.

The State can't be expected to understand the complexities of boats, better give contracts to this ferry company with no boats and a website ripped from a takeaway menu.

Plank Sanction
Nov 3, 2016

Who invented the skip?
I see Jo Swinson is very publicly (i.e. via twitter) 'asking' Jeremy Corbyn to support a second referendum. Isn't this literally Labour policy and explicitly not Lib Dem policy at this point?

loving useless.

Morningwoodpecker
Jan 17, 2016

I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO BE THIS STUPID

BUT HERE YOU ARE

Gorn Myson posted:

lol these people are disingenuous as gently caress. They'll read it as "Corbyn takes sole credit for the victory of hardworking centrist activists despite only supporting the campaign a month ago and not once mentioning it at the FBPE rallies that he never attends".

Nah, they'll just assume he'll "clarify" later by reversing on it.

Scikar
Nov 20, 2005

5? Seriously?

Plank Sanction posted:

I see Jo Swinson is very publicly (i.e. via twitter) 'asking' Jeremy Corbyn to support a second referendum. Isn't this literally Labour policy and explicitly not Lib Dem policy at this point?

loving useless.

Oh it's even better. If you point out that Swinson's letter is confusing because it contradicts the official Lib Dem policy, you'll be told by legions of FBPEs that it's only confusing if you're deliberately misunderstanding it. :ironicat:

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Plank Sanction posted:

I see Jo Swinson is very publicly (i.e. via twitter) 'asking' Jeremy Corbyn to support a second referendum. Isn't this literally Labour policy and explicitly not Lib Dem policy at this point?

loving useless.

Pretending you didn't hear the person call your bluff is a time tested political strategy when the press are also pretending not to hear.

chestnut santabag
Jul 3, 2006

ThomasPaine posted:

That said some branches are. XR Scotland are very good and directly @'d the London lot lol

E: case in point

https://twitter.com/ScotlandXr/status/1185587030773907456?s=19

quote:

At last week’s roadblock action targeted at the Government Oil and Gas conference, protestors from groups other than XR Scotland began singing the chant ‘police, we love you, we’re doing this for your children too’.

In all fairness they might have been singing this about the children of those undercover police who infiltrated environmentalist groups and fathered children and then subsequently abandoned them when they were extracted. (they were definitely not doing this)

Plank Sanction posted:

I see Jo Swinson is very publicly (i.e. via twitter) 'asking' Jeremy Corbyn to support a second referendum. Isn't this literally Labour policy and explicitly not Lib Dem policy at this point?

loving useless.

They want a referendum before an election, so on the deal that is currently being debated. Good luck on getting a straight answer from them on what would happen if that deal won anyway...

chestnut santabag fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Oct 24, 2019

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Plank Sanction posted:

I see Jo Swinson is very publicly (i.e. via twitter) 'asking' Jeremy Corbyn to support a second referendum. Isn't this literally Labour policy and explicitly not Lib Dem policy at this point?

loving useless.

Scikar posted:

Oh it's even better. If you point out that Swinson's letter is confusing because it contradicts the official Lib Dem policy, you'll be told by legions of FBPEs that it's only confusing if you're deliberately misunderstanding it. :ironicat:


Imagine being a Lib Dem right now.

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!

coffeetable posted:

is it coincidental that the NICE threshold per QALY is £20-30k/year? because it sounds like NICE didn't budge an inch, heck yeah

:wink:

Vertex got greedy and thought they could exert pressure via the usual 'sick kids' angle. Still they're making off with nearly a cool five hundred million pounds. So yeah vvv

ThomasPaine posted:

It would be even cheaper and more efficient if they were all nationalised



[e] I want to make a special point of how gross Vertex's behaviour has been. They could have agreed to this sort of deal anytime since 2016 and all the unnecessary suffering of people with CF who could have been helped for nearly four years is on their heads.

Saros fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Oct 24, 2019

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

josh04 posted:

Yes, XR is immature and almost certainly compromised. But where is the left, that must be doing so well to be able to discount out-of-hand popular large-scale anti-capitalist action?

if it's being funded by billionaires (who are also buying airports), claiming to be "beyond politics", bootlicks cops and directs its members to get arrested, is so scared of alienating the ruling class that it won't allow members to form socialist affiliate groups, has groups called XR Landlords and XR Police, only has begging the rich and powerful to fix things as a goal, and isn't interested in self-empowerment beyond largely aimless and ultimately pointless decentralised actions and attempts to dance on tube trains, then it is not, by its own admission, anti-capitalist.

anybody who views their *climate activist* movement as "beyond politics" needs to grow up, frankly.

chestnut santabag
Jul 3, 2006

gh0stpinballa posted:

if it's being funded by billionaires (who are also buying airports), claiming to be "beyond politics", bootlicks cops and directs its members to get arrested, is so scared of alienating the ruling class that it won't allow members to form socialist affiliate groups, has groups called XR Landlords and XR Police, only has begging the rich and powerful to fix things as a goal, and isn't interested in self-empowerment beyond largely aimless and ultimately pointless decentralised actions and attempts to dance on tube trains, then it is not, by its own admission, anti-capitalist.

anybody who views their *climate activist* movement as "beyond politics" needs to grow up, frankly.

XR Landlords and XR Police was a parody thing though, right? I remember them starting off as parody but then recently heard how they're real now but could never find anything confirming so?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

chestnut santabag posted:

XR Landlords and XR Police was a parody thing though, right? I remember them starting off as parody but then recently heard how they're real now but could never find anything confirming so?
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/10/extinction-rebellion-has-a-politics-problem

quote:

A further, less openly advertised aspect of XR’s embrace of the “beyond politics” principle is that it bans the creation of community groups organized explicitly around political identity. Community groups—small gatherings of “rebels” who meet regularly—are a key part of XR organizing, especially in the protest off-season. Many are based on geography, but others are based on affinities: There’s a group for Quakers, a group for Baroque musicians, and a group for people who want to make skeletons out of newspaper. Not long ago, a friend of mine affiliated with the London-based group Left Culture Club attempted to start an XR socialist subgroup and quickly incurred the ire of the central XR media team. In a phone call, he was told that such a move would contravene XR’s stated “beyond politics” stance but also make it more difficult to accomplish their strategic goals, which, the spokesperson argued, require the cooperation of big business. Yet in an official email encouraging people to join affinity groups, XR’s list of approved spin-offs included XR Police and XR Landlords. The fact that the group fails to see that these two positions are themselves inherently and inextricably political bespeaks the degree to which theoretical attempts at apolitical stances will invariably, in practice, favor those already in power.

@XR_Landlords on Twitter is a parody though.

chestnut santabag
Jul 3, 2006


quote:

Not long ago, a friend of mine affiliated with the London-based group Left Culture Club attempted to start an XR socialist subgroup and quickly incurred the ire of the central XR media team. In a phone call, he was told that such a move would contravene XR’s stated “beyond politics” stance but also make it more difficult to accomplish their strategic goals, which, the spokesperson argued, require the cooperation of big business. Yet in an official email encouraging people to join affinity groups, XR’s list of approved spin-offs included XR Police and XR Landlords. The fact that the group fails to see that these two positions are themselves inherently and inextricably political bespeaks the degree to which theoretical attempts at apolitical stances will invariably, in practice, favor those already in power.
:psyduck:

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Hello, I have a question. Why was abortion and gay marriage legalization passed in Northern Ireland just now and not earlier? What/Who prevented it?

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Samovar posted:

Hello, I have a question. Why was abortion and gay marriage legalization passed in Northern Ireland just now and not earlier? What/Who prevented it?

The DUP are a bunch of hard conservative Catholics

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Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Rarity posted:

The DUP are a bunch of hard conservative Catholics

I think this is technically a breach of the Good Friday agreement

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