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His name is clearly Obiwan. Hes a war star.
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Oct 27, 2019 22:05
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I mean seriously, watch this scene and tell me Rogue One was bad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkZvyfLC-LU
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Oct 27, 2019 23:27
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Rogue One was bad.
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Oct 27, 2019 23:29
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Should a been a heist movie. Give me the same last 30 minutes but everything else is oceans 11
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Oct 27, 2019 23:30
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Rouge One was bad. edit: I am of course just making fun of the typo, but that scene was really quite good. why hasn't that guy just been directing all the other movies? piratepilates fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Oct 27, 2019 |
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Oct 27, 2019 23:34
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Shinjobi posted:Should a been a heist movie. Give me the same last 30 minutes but everything else is oceans 11 Then you'd have goons melting down that there wasn't a trilogy explaining each character's back story and therefore they couldn't care about it.
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Oct 27, 2019 23:38
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Just accept it dude, Rogue One was a bad movie.
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Oct 27, 2019 23:40
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Shamino posted:I mean seriously, watch this scene and tell me Rogue One was bad: Rouge One
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Oct 27, 2019 23:45
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I’d rather have Gareth Edwards making more Star Wars movies than Johnson or Abrams
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Oct 27, 2019 23:52
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Shamino posted:I mean seriously, watch this scene and tell me Rogue One was bad: The rest of rogue one was bad
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Oct 27, 2019 23:54
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The other place you gotta give it up for Rogue One is the production design doing a bang up job of fitting the aesthetic of the '77 orig perfectly. In particular whoever was given the task "whip up a McQuarrie-esque Blackhawk style transport gunship that could have plausibly been just offscreen in Rebel hangars in the OT" knocked it out of the PARK with the U-Wing.
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Oct 28, 2019 00:04
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Shamino posted:Then you'd have goons melting down that there wasn't a trilogy explaining each character's back story and therefore they couldn't care about it. No, they're doing it now because rogue one wasn't a heist movie; it was a wishy washy halfass adventure film about hope, I guess? That was only salvaged by finale that realized it had to deliver something--anything memorable--to its audience.
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Oct 28, 2019 00:08
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Kazak posted:Darth... Plague...is "Congrats on murdering children. Now we pick your sickrad new name... Darth ... Chaddus
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Oct 28, 2019 00:10
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Shinjobi posted:No, they're doing it now because rogue one wasn't a heist movie; it was a wishy washy halfass adventure film about hope, I guess? That was only salvaged by finale that realized it had to deliver something--anything memorable--to its audience. It’s a badly written and edited war movie
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Oct 28, 2019 00:12
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I watched the scene and have determined that Rogue One was bad
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Oct 28, 2019 00:17
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Rogue One is the third best Star Wars movie, but unfortunately Star Wars is garbage
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Oct 28, 2019 00:28
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Infinite Karma posted:Rogue One is the third best Star Wars movie, but unfortunately Star Wars is garbage Wrong. Not about Star Wars being majority garbage, but if you think Rogue One is better than Jedi (which admittedly takes a backseat to ANH and especially Empire) then I don't know even. Only two points are necessary to illustrate this 1. Has an overall engaging narrative involving characters (who were well established already by the two previous superior movies) with clear motivations that you care about. 2. Has a better space battle.
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Oct 28, 2019 00:38
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Randarkman posted:Wrong. Not about Star Wars being majority garbage, but if you think Rogue One is better than Jedi (which admittedly takes a backseat to ANH and especially Empire) then I don't know even. return of the jedi was borderline nonsensical
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Oct 28, 2019 00:46
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It has its clear flaws and is a pretty messy movie. But it's got some really great segments in it and the overall plot of the movie, destroy the Death Star and redeem Darth Vader is pretty good even if the former is rehashed. It's also got Jabba and the Emperor. It's a waaaaay more enjoyable movie than Rogue One, and is a movie where you can actually enjoy more than just the last ~30 minutes of fan service Star Wars porn. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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Oct 28, 2019 00:49
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Randarkman posted:It has its clear flaws and is a pretty messy movie. But it's got some really great segments in it and the overall plot of the movie, destroy the Death Star and redeem Darth Vader is pretty good even if the former is rehased. eh. it's bad, but it's fine if you like it. yub yub, as they say.
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RotJ is fine but you can't think about it too much of it falls apart, because in the previous two installments the heroes are brought together by circumstances. The pilot desperate enough to take the mission, the princess they rescued, then the same group thrown together in a hasty evacuation; it works. Then in RotJ they are going on an offensive mission at a time and place of their choosing, picking an away mission team, and it just happens to be the same Princess, smuggler turned general, Jedi/pilot, and most incredibly astromech and protocol droids. R2 I kind of get, he's a general utility droid, but 3P0? "Okay for this dangerous clandestine mission, I got my squad of commandos, my Jedi bro, my girlfriend, and for some reason a mincing, gilded decorum robot." Motherfucker you're not at least going to hit him with a couple rattlecans of OD green before taking him on a commando mission in the forest? poo poo you could have sold another action figure that way. Owlbear Camus fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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Oct 28, 2019 01:04
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And that's not even going into whatever the rescue plan in Jabba's palace was supposed to be.
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Oct 28, 2019 01:06
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Randarkman posted:And that's not even going into whatever the rescue plan in Jabba's palace was supposed to be. i'm pretty sure luke/leia/lando each had individual plans to rescue Han and didn't coordinate anything before hand. they all just happened to bumble into each other at the same time
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Oct 28, 2019 01:12
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Return of the Jedi is two completely different stories slammed together with no connective tissue. There’s the Tatooine story where Luke and the gang rescue Han, and then the Endor/Death Star 2 story where Luke becomes a Jedi. The first story is visually well realized and kind of works as its own thing, but it takes time away that could be spent making the second story better. The second story has some really good parts, but it’s very simple. It doesn’t have the tension of the first two movies. Most of what works about it dramatically is the confrontation between Luke, Vader, and the Emperor, which is one of the best parts in any Star Wars movie. I don’t think there was a great solution to this unfortunately, it’s just a consequence of how the end of ESB sent Han and the rest of the plot in completely different directions. At one point in the writing process Han was supposed to die in the final Death Star attack, which would have at least tied the two plots together.
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Oct 28, 2019 01:15
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Sorry folks but the Luke/Vader/Emperor stuff loving owns Ewoks are pretty dumb but I think the implicit reason viewers check out during the Endor ground battle is that Han and Leia are both finished characters by that point in the story and have no more decisions to make or growing to do, so they're just kinda going through the motions to enable Luke and Lando to wrap up their own arcs and it's less engaging as a result
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Do you mean to tell me that people weren't enthralled by Han Solo being locked in deadly combat against a door?
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Oct 28, 2019 01:23
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Randarkman posted:Do you mean to tell me that people weren't enthralled by Han Solo being locked in deadly combat against a door? Guess I can hotwire this thing :/
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Oct 28, 2019 01:25
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I really hate the end of RoTJ when Scottie just beams Skywalker out of the death star
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Oct 28, 2019 01:26
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Thinking about it, perhaps a more satisfying way to do the RotJ finale, assuming you have to keep the "three-things-happening-at-once" structure, would be for Lando to lead the ground attack on the shield generator (proving his dedication to the Rebel cause and his military abilities) accompanied by Luke who confronts Vader and goes to the Death Star, same as the original, probably might still need to have 3P0 there to talk to the Ewoks. Leia, being kind of a military-political leader of the Rebellion is on the flagship with Admiral Ackbar during the battle and Han Solo leads the fighter attack on the Death Star and is killed in the process (with Leia there on the radio I guess).
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Oct 28, 2019 01:34
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Tbh I don’t really like the idea of setting the climax of the story on some backwater in the middle of nowhere. The emperor should be in his capital.
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Oct 28, 2019 01:46
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wasn't Rogue One heavily re-edited? i thought i'd heard at one point the lead was supposed to be like a former Imperial spy or something and then that didn't test well or something
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Oct 28, 2019 01:50
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skasion posted:Tbh I don’t really like the idea of setting the climax of the story on some backwater in the middle of nowhere. The emperor should be in his capital. Could perhaps work if they didn't rehash the Death Star plot and instead wrote a script that was more clearly focused on Luke becoming a Jedi and confronting Vader and the Emperor.
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Oct 28, 2019 01:50
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i think ROTJ as it is could have worked better if it were, like, the fifth or sixth movie. i know george lucas used to claim that his original plan was for nine movies and the three sequels would have been way after ROTJ (and the prequels were supposed to be way further in the past too, and the robots were the only constant characters throughout all three trilogies) but i still think ROTJ would have been more powerful if it weren't leaning so hard on nostalgia tripping over a movie that only came out like six years prior (and which, while home video was not really widely accessible yet, was probably still occasionally getting screened on second-run theaters here and there) if they'd had at least one or two more movies' worth of adventures before revisiting tatooine and the death star, i think it would have been received better edit: alternately if you do the tatooine revisit in one of those intermediate movies then you can spend all of the last movie on luke/vader/emperor and taking down the empire
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Oct 28, 2019 01:55
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also if they'd done that then they could have built up more to show that the rebellion's been gaining momentum and more planets have been supporting the alliance (hence them now having a battle fleet that can go toe-to-toe with imperial star destroyers) and oh poo poo the empire really does need this fuckin' death star 2 but all that said i also understand ol' lukeass was gettin' a bit burned out even by ROTJ anyway (and lol there's no way harrison ford or alec guinness would have stuck around that many movies)
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Oct 28, 2019 01:58
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Speaking of George Lucas's (supposed) original vision of nine movies. When was it exactly that the originals were relabeled as IV, V and VI? I know for the original releases they were just "Star Wars", "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi" but they were later relabeled, presumably before the release of Episode I. If I were to guess it would be with the VHS releases in the 90s when episode I was in production, that's when I first saw the movies (in 1997 I think, a friend of mine had them on VHS) and throughout most of childhood and teens I watched the movies on two VHS tapes we recorded the movies on when a channel aired a marathon of all the movies, which included a documentary (which aired before IV) and some Star Wars-themed shorts between the movies themselves a couple of weeks before Episode I released in 1999. And those were all obviously labelled IV, V and VI. I kind of miss those old tapes actually, though I know if I went back and tried to watch them again the quality would be loving abysmal. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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Oct 28, 2019 02:04
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Harrison Ford literally can't say "no" to wheelbarrow loads of money. Those additional movies would have been way before he had amassed enough to live like a wasteful idiot for 500 years.
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Randarkman posted:Speaking of George Lucas's (supposed) original vision of nine movies. When was it exactly that the originals were relabeled as IV, V and VI? I know for the original releases they were just "Star Wars", "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi" but they were later relabeled, presumably before the release of Episode I. “Episode IV” was actually in the original movie’s script though it was kind of an arbitrary thing to make it feel like part of an ongoing series. It was edited back into the movie for the rerelease in 1981, by which point ESB had already been released as Episode V after being written under the name of Episode II.
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Randarkman posted:Speaking of George Lucas's (supposed) original vision of nine movies. When was it exactly that the originals were relabeled as IV, V and VI? I know for the original releases they were just "Star Wars", "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi" but they were later relabeled, presumably before the release of Episode I. "Episode IV A NEW HOPE" was added to the text crawl in the opening for Star Wars in a 1980 rerelease ahead of the first run of The Empire Strikes back. Edit: Adding some content cause I was beaten to he punch on the answer; a big part of the reason Episode I's release was such a big deal wasn't just "omg new Star Wars", but also the low-key way the movies had referenced that there was a whole other trilogy of "episodes" gave them a kind of mythic quality. For nearly two decades it was like there were these mysterious other Star Wars movies we could only imagine about, and then finally when Episode I officially went into production the reaction was like, "my god, they're doing it, the bastards are actually going to make the Star Wars prequels!" 
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Oct 28, 2019 02:13
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:wasn't Rogue One heavily re-edited? i thought i'd heard at one point the lead was supposed to be like a former Imperial spy or something and then that didn't test well or something They did reshoot the poo poo out of it, yeah. IIRC the rumored reason was that it was too terroristy but the guy brought in to do the last rewrite talks about it like it was just a garden-variety piece of poo poo when he got to it
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:They did reshoot the poo poo out of it, yeah. IIRC the rumored reason was that it was too terroristy but the guy brought in to do the last rewrite talks about it like it was just a garden-variety piece of poo poo when he got to it Betting the reshoots are probably why the first 2/3 of the movie feel like a disjointed mess, and why the Saw character did nothing except make some tentacle porn.
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