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After a whole afternoon of discussion, the governement is officially disbanded. What happens now: our Republic President will speak with every parliament group, with the intention of finding any possible government, before calling for new elections. Highlight of the day: remember when I was saying Conte was a figurehead, without any real meaning or substance? Well, he openly said something along the line of "Salvini you're a coward, unlike me. Witness me resigning". Very cathartic! Too bad he's been the head of this terrible government, but his character has surely evolved in these last 14 months. Char fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Aug 20, 2019 |
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# ? May 25, 2024 10:28 |
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Shame Conte didn't wake up before the government he was supposed to watch over passed idiotic or downright harmful laws...
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# ? Aug 20, 2019 21:20 |
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Yeah, Salvini got roasted by someone who oversaw him and didn't do anything to oppose his policies, hell, his tones, his rhetoric, in 14 months. I'd argue that he was a complete outsider to the Italian politics game, but 14 months are quite a long time.
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# ? Aug 20, 2019 22:34 |
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give it to me straight: is salvini gonna be the real Winner here or what? Seems like he pushed italian politics in his direction and then hosed the govt when he felt he could get more
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# ? Aug 21, 2019 01:13 |
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Wild Horses posted:give it to me straight: is salvini gonna be the real Winner here or what? It depends, Lega Nord is older than Salvini and the big change was just removing the Italian southeners from the list of indesiderables, it's not like parties designed to hate everyone are a modern thing. Italian politics(like any country with a stagnating economy) were bound to shift to the right, esp after several centre left governments that either did gently caress all or flat out pissed off voters. Protest voting is the name of the game in italian politics so , after Renzi, most people(me including), willing or not, were expecting at least a centre-right side gov. The (now former) gov hosed up by not doing a clear separation of duties and topics, both M5S and Lega are brazen enough to run a fake marriage while working in isolation and steal everything that is not bolted down(while doing laws to get whatever was bolted) but, by nitpicking on whatever the other party was doing(an old italian politic trick used to avoid inquiry when doing nothing), enough fires were lit and tensions rised up to the breaking point. The moderator they picked(Conte) was a deliberate choice, a political nobody with neither the moral strength or wits to reign in on their wild idiocy. While i am not going to tell that M5S or Lega were clear from wrongdoing or sins, Conte not raising the flag before is the biggest failure IMHO. The current options as enumerated by morton or char are a Lega-FI coalition(fetch me a delorean, we are going back in time) to keep the show running, a M5S with a league of nobody to fetch enough percentage to be viable(i don't think there are enough parties willing to get backstabbed by them to form a gov) or a spot ballot and start from scratch. SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Aug 21, 2019 |
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It's hard to tell right now. There's a huge demand of new looms to spin and weave all the new cloth everyone suddenly received. Paraphrasing, Salvini had huge consensus until last week, but yesterday's hearings exposed many weak points - despite being there since day 0, noone managed to expose them so far. This doesn't mean he won or he lost, there's simply the opportunity to spin a counter-narrative to his. We still have to see which narrative will emerge first.
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# ? Aug 21, 2019 09:34 |
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Piazza Affari seems to have reacted positively, all indexes are going slightly up right now. I media han dormito forte, niente edizioni straordinarie, maratone mediatiche o simili, pensano forse che sian tutti ancora in vacanza? SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Aug 21, 2019 |
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SlowBloke posted:Piazza Affari seems to have reacted positively, all indexes are going slightly up right now. Non saprei che dire, Mentana ha fatto la solita maratona, ma a sei giorni da ferragosto mi aspetto che ancora le macchine mediatiche abbiano da rimettersi in moto. Comunque, finché non son finite le consultazioni, c'è poco di cui parlare, se non scenari ipotetici.
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# ? Aug 21, 2019 09:58 |
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Char posted:Non saprei che dire, Mentana ha fatto la solita maratona, ma a sei giorni da ferragosto mi aspetto che ancora le macchine mediatiche abbiano da rimettersi in moto. Effettivamente Mentana me lo son perso, ma diciamo che La7 ha il grilletto facile per quello. Da questo articolo del sole https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/mattarella-da-via-consultazioni-ecco-tempi-gestire-crisi-ACFYTTf se a Mattarella se non gli viene un coccolone oggi è a posto per la vita
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# ? Aug 21, 2019 10:04 |
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After a vote on the Rousseau digital platform, which is effectively just a way to ratify the Movement's decision (either the M5S actively tamper with the voting or their registered voting members always follow the party line), M5S and PD are officially good to go for a government together. Depending on how fast everything goes, the vote of confidence on Conte could happen as soon as Friday. They've also released a draft of the program: https://www.repubblica.it/politica/...C12-P2-S1.12-T1 I'm gonna try working on a quick translation later.
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# ? Sep 3, 2019 19:48 |
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Good news (for me and char), the hard requirement for fingerprint-based access control on public sector employees have been removed by the new public sector minister, which is mostly compensated by the new laws about physical currency(that seems to change depending on local weather conditions and who you ask). After a handful of weird newspaper articles(that claimed retrieving cash by ATM would be taxed) i've heard a non neglibible number of people starting evaluating stockpiling cash(readers without a goldfish memory will remember what happens if banks customers will clear house of their atms). Sadly the inane "reddito di cittadinanza" seems no longer on the chopping block :/
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# ? Sep 30, 2019 08:41 |
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Crossposting from the EU thread, here's an interesting article by Thomas Fazi that really hits the nail on this last 2 years of Italian politics. https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/10/04/the-revenge-of-the-elites/ quote:Italy’s proverbially surreal politics reached new heights last month when the country, over the course of a few weeks, went from having ‘the most populist government in Europe’ – an unlikely alliance between two very different ‘anti-establishment’ parties, the ‘neither-left-nor-right’ Five Star Movement (Movimento Cinque Stelle, M5S) and the right-wing, Eurosceptic League (Lega) – to having a vehemently pro-establishment one, as the M5S reached an agreement to form a new government with the pro-EU, liberal-centrist Democratic Party (Partito Democratico, PD), after League leader Matteo Salvini suddenly pulled the plug on the previous administration. And all without even replacing the incumbent prime minister, the independent law professor, Giuseppe Conte.
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# ? Oct 7, 2019 09:16 |
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tfw ancient rome was only 300 years ago https://twitter.com/DKeetz/status/1184597223465783299
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# ? Oct 17, 2019 11:36 |
Tesseraction posted:tfw ancient rome was only 300 years ago https://twitter.com/DKeetz/status/1184597223465783299 That was fake, wasn't it? I tried watching the video but couldn't find where he says it, and I saw some other comments calling bs too I guess maybe the fascists are trying to gaslight the idea of trump being a brain rot piece of poo poo by putting out fake memes that can be disproved, thus disproving all criticisms of trump stupidity..?
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# ? Oct 28, 2019 08:39 |
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The translator is from Italy, not from the White House, Trump didn't say "President Mozarella", and the pictures were taken at moments where she focuses on her work even though they look like perfectly memetic expressions of anger, horror and disgust. Trump did say the ties between America and Italy go back to the Roman empire, though it can be charitably interpreted as a cultural heritage thing. After all, the "founding fathers" were big fans of neoclassic architecture and Roman symbolism, what with completely laughable things like this:
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# ? Oct 28, 2019 09:51 |
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president parmesan is way more alliterative anyway
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# ? Oct 28, 2019 11:04 |
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Sulla Faex posted:That was fake, wasn't it? I tried watching the video but couldn't find where he says it, and I saw some other comments calling bs too Yeah, turns out it was fake. I would make a pithy statement of "this just shows how dumb trump is that many of us believed it" but frankly sharing fake news isn't great even if it's funny.
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# ? Oct 28, 2019 11:27 |
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saying the United States has ties to the roman empire is a subtle and interesting remark, for trump
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# ? Oct 28, 2019 14:09 |
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Trump would definitely have allied with Mussolini, for example.
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# ? Oct 28, 2019 14:15 |
Alternate history prompt: Trump gets elected 1938
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# ? Oct 28, 2019 14:22 |
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Sulla Faex posted:Alternate history prompt: Trump gets elected 1938 That would have to be Fred Trump, who could barely squeak by if the elections are at the end of the year (he turned 35, the minimum age required to be POTUS, on October 11, 1938). As a Klan sympathizer if not member, he definitely would have allied with the Axis.
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# ? Oct 28, 2019 14:37 |
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Cat Mattress posted:That would have to be Fred Trump, who could barely squeak by if the elections are at the end of the year (he turned 35, the minimum age required to be POTUS, on October 11, 1938). As a Klan sympathizer if not member, he definitely would have allied with the Axis. He was arrested in 1927 while present at a Klan riot where he was charged with failing to disband when ordered to by police. Given the two sides were the KKK/Mussolini supporters on one, and antifa the other, I'm gonna guess he was in the former camp.
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# ? Oct 28, 2019 14:58 |
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Cop Antifa
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# ? Oct 29, 2019 06:14 |
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It looks like DiMaio got tired of feeling like a joke(instead of being one) and is resigning leadership duties for M5S, will he do the same for government? Who knows!
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# ? Jan 22, 2020 12:52 |
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I heard there's been some anti-Lega rallies recently. Anything decent numbers-wise or just 100 antifa supersoldiers stretching their legs?
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# ? Jan 22, 2020 12:59 |
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Tesseraction posted:I heard there's been some anti-Lega rallies recently. Anything decent numbers-wise or just 100 antifa supersoldiers stretching their legs? If you are referring to the "sardine", i don't feel like it's going to end up making any positive change even with the decent turnout they are showing. It's a symptom of italian politics where "we don't want that"(racism) is easy to say but when asked for a specific solution you will always get very broad strokes(stop being racist) and nothing actionable. Pretty much like M5S, if a party comes out of it, it will be a whitenoise centrist party. SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Jan 22, 2020 |
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Ah, so Italy's version of our anti-Brexit rallies.
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# ? Jan 22, 2020 14:56 |
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If you plan to travel to italy for the next two weeks, reschedule right now. All museums and public offices are going into lockdown.
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# ? Feb 24, 2020 16:23 |
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Also, you know, the coronavirus. No point in helping it spread.
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# ? Feb 24, 2020 16:53 |
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Omobono posted:Also, you know, the coronavirus. No point in helping it spread. Sure, it's just that until yesterday it wasn't a mandatory status nation wide. It's kinda disorganized(Rome says that most civil servant should stay at home but most offices, ours included, are interpreting the directives as "use your PTO hours" rather than "go remote and if you can't, use your PTO hours" as Rome intended). SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Feb 24, 2020 |
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I saw that a bus from an Italian province to Lyon was basically told "stay in your loving bus" and quarantined. I do not envy the people stuck on a bus while also being told "one of you might be infected."
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# ? Feb 24, 2020 17:45 |
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Oh hey I didn't know there was an Italian thread! Ciao a tutti. Let's hope we don't all die of coronavirus, and if not, as a native Italian currently living in Abruzzo I will gladly contribute insight, news and angry handwaving when there's politics talk. Ps: yesterday most supermarkets down here were raided and shelves were already empty around midday, and we're 500km from the closest case. Big companies in the north are kinda panicking, and working in transport and logistics, I am afraid this will have pretty serious economical (and political) repercussions TorakFade fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Feb 25, 2020 |
# ? Feb 25, 2020 07:58 |
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Mrs. Barfish had to cancel a trip home because her dad, a doctor in milan, pasted this into her family whatsapp:
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# ? Feb 25, 2020 15:34 |
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TorakFade posted:Oh hey I didn't know there was an Italian thread! Ciao a tutti. Let's hope we don't all die of coronavirus, and if not, as a native Italian currently living in Abruzzo I will gladly contribute insight, news and angry handwaving when there's politics talk. A good chunk of our supermarkets are getting cleared out too, thanks to the decentralization efforts from the lega we are getting full disorganized and random orders from each county and region, like Basilicata going full Madagascar (http://www.ansa.it/piemonte/notizie...eca568b98e.html)
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# ? Feb 25, 2020 18:21 |
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SlowBloke posted:A good chunk of our supermarkets are getting cleared out too, thanks to the decentralization efforts from the lega we are getting full disorganized and random orders from each county and region, like Basilicata going full Madagascar (http://www.ansa.it/piemonte/notizie...eca568b98e.html) The king of Basilicata probably will get dragged into the piazza grande and publicly spanked by a horde of angry moms who were not allowed to shelter their own sons in their own homes, sons who are currently stranded in the frozen and foggy northern lands together with the plague-carrying Leghisti.
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# ? Feb 25, 2020 18:30 |
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Can we really count the north as frozen anymore in this post-global-warming world of ours? My friend near Milan routinely reports it being like 18°C. Also quite unluckily, warmer and warmer temps helps the spread of disease.
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# ? Feb 25, 2020 19:45 |
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mortons stork posted:Can we really count the north as frozen anymore in this post-global-warming world of ours? My friend near Milan routinely reports it being like 18°C. As it is, the only thing Milan has that is coherent with the cold season can be summarized by the old soccer slogan “avete solo la nebbia”. Everything else might as well be autumn or spring. A couple week ago, here in the Far East, we had to rearm and switch over to our building cooling system as the heating system was bringing several rooms to unbearable temperatures SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Feb 25, 2020 |
# ? Feb 25, 2020 21:47 |
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SlowBloke posted:As it is, the only thing Milan has that is coherent with the cold season can be summarized by the old soccer slogan “avete solo la nebbia”. Lived two years in Milan and I saw fog only twice. I want my money back, drat Batman's mom.
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# ? Feb 25, 2020 23:03 |
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Milano can be pretty cold if you compare with everything below Tuscany, though I mean here in Abruzzo near the coast - mountains are excluded ofc - temps very rarely go below 0°, while when I was living in Umbria we regularly got -2/-4° in the middle of winter, and in Milano lower still (I think I even saw -10° once, maaaany years ago) But yeah compared to actually cold countries, it's most definitely not a frozen wasteland. Also I kind of want to die in the summer when outside temps get to 35-38° so I'd welcome a global cornavirus-induced stop of industry, pollution and global warming effects and relative subsequent freezing/ice age
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 11:42 |
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TorakFade posted:Milano can be pretty cold if you compare with everything below Tuscany, though I mean here in Abruzzo near the coast - mountains are excluded ofc - temps very rarely go below 0°, while when I was living in Umbria we regularly got -2/-4° in the middle of winter, and in Milano lower still (I think I even saw -10° once, maaaany years ago) The last time i remember getting some proper ice was 2013 :/ ( i do remember it very vividly as i has to jump thru crashed walls and busted buses to go to work, due to this fender bender https://ilpiccolo.gelocal.it/trieste/foto-e-video/2013/03/25/fotogalleria/trieste-citta-ghiacciata-le-foto-dei-lettori-1.6764970) Current temperature is 11°C compared to the expected monthly average of 9°C. We are getting much more humidity than say five to ten years back so we get routinely shitloads of fog(much to the chagrin of LimaCat)
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 13:38 |