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bobjr posted:They hardly even push the tax cuts as a big positive thing anymore. I don’t know when it stopped, but there was a point where the average person just kind of realized it did jack poo poo to help them. Turns out livable wages are more important.
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Oct 30, 2019 14:16
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Pants Donkey posted:Probably because a year later people didn’t get those bonuses again, at which point it clicked that they were strategically timed to get good press for the permanent tax cuts (compared to their small, temporary tax cuts). It’s anecdotal but I saw a lot of people complain they got nothing or had to pay for their tax return compared to other years, and that’s something I think people would notice way more than an extra 3 dollars a paycheck.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Yeah, if it weren't for the pictures it'd just be a case of another shitbag getting outted for being a shitbag by their vindictive ex-, but the pics make it gross all around. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the female staffer is also in the pictures right? Katie and her ex both were abusing Katie's position over that woman, and the pictures could be used to keep the woman's silence. Katie should not have been surprised that her partner in abuse acted abusively after she jilted him to go start another abusive relationship with another subordinate. The young staffer is the true victim in all of this and the only one I have real sympathy for. Katie's current boyfriend and former subordinate to a lesser degree as well.
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bobjr posted:They hardly even push the tax cuts as a big positive thing anymore. I don’t know when it stopped, but there was a point where the average person just kind of realized it did jack poo poo to help them. Now that it’s been almost 2 years since the passage and things are not improving, it’s probably not something they want to bring up again (although Trump will do it occasionally in a Tweet as an ‘accomplishment’).
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:This is just like perfect timing Aaaaa ihe still has no idea what a quid pro quo is He thinks it's like a bad word or something, that they were looking for with a magnifying glass
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Oct 30, 2019 14:20
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Scott Forstall posted:they don't care. the ends (tax cuts for rich people) justify the means (make up whatever bullshit lies you need to to get it passed) ewiley posted:LOL and then everyone forgets the GOP immediately pivoted to 'hey lets destroy social services now to pay for it' and would probably have done so if the House hadn't flipped blue in 2018. Lather, rinse, repeat since 1980. If the play works, keep running it till it don't.
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Pants Donkey posted:Probably because a year later people didn’t get those bonuses again, at which point it clicked that they were strategically timed to get good press for the permanent tax cuts (compared to their small, temporary tax cuts). Yeah, the plebs got a one year tax cut to satisfy their goldfish memories and then the rich proceed to vampire the economy to death. People don't understand that when news sources say "The economy is strong" that the economy is only strong for people making mid-six figures a year. My chud family is always talking about how the stock market is doing so well since Trump took office, and then have no response to how that actually benefits them when the average person has almost no real money in the stock market.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but the female staffer is also in the pictures right? Katie and her ex both were abusing Katie's position over that woman, and the pictures could be used to keep the woman's silence. Katie should not have been surprised that her partner in abuse acted abusively after she jilted him to go start another abusive relationship with another subordinate. what a loving awful take, conflating her ethical failings with her partner's criminal abusive behavior, jesus loving christ
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It also came out Katie ex posted a nude photo of Katie on “WouldYouFuckMyWife" reddit without her consent (Just to be clear I think Hill did the right thing by resigning as what she does was wrong on so many levels and am not defending her)
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TheDisreputableDog posted:A bunch of people on twitter saw a picture, made a bunch of assumptions about what led up to it, and said some horrible stuff about a kid. "BUT THE HAT!!!", the pro life rally, how rich his parents are just represent retroactive justifications for people to avoid admitting they were wrong. Stating this was about political iconography is moving the goalposts, and explaining why someone deserved the abuse anyway for these other reasons is actually victim blaming. You need to accept that the kid was being a little prick and got dragged for it. end of story
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https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1189339329258283008?s=19 Great thread on how Barr is keeping his head down avoiding press scrutiny despite...a mountain of poo poo over his head
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All they did was re-open the discovery phase right? Its not likely to increase his chances of winning a suit.
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eke out posted:what a loving awful take, conflating her ethical failings with her partner's criminal abusive behavior, jesus loving christ Her "ethical failings" were being a sexual predator using her position to get her subordinates into sexual relationships. Her partner in this then acted exactly like the piece of trash he is and leaked revenge porn to get back at her after she moved on to a new relationship wherein her partner cannot fully consent. He should be in prison, and she can go gently caress herself forever.
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of course this scumbag thinks that Sandmann has a case. Its always elites that look at other bad behavior of elites and think "There really isn't a problem there and he deserves to be rewarded for this."
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CommieGIR posted:All they did was re-open the discovery phase right? Its not likely to increase his chances of winning a suit. Yes, but these morons heard "reopened" and started cheering their fool heads off. You really think they took the time to examine what was happening closely?
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TulliusCicero posted:Oh no, the horrors of being a rich white kid at a private High School, and being prepped for an easy talking points career and a life of unimaginable luxury to the majority of the people in this country, because he had to do some interviews and Twitter said some mean things In my opinion he is an a arrogant little poo poo who was clearly in the wrong, but let's not pretend that having his face become the symbol of that entire incident did not result in some severe harassment and psychological distress. Not defending him or his (racist) actions, I'm just saying that maybe it's not quite time to gulag the kid just yet. I don't think posters here quite appreciate just how severely damaging the environment that kid was raised in is or how difficult it is to overcome that environment. At the end of the day he's still a kid- let's not make a child the target of a 2 minute hate. There's plenty to talk about that incident and the context surrounding it and the horrible shitpeople who are his parents/teachers. Let me emphasize again that in my view the kid is an arrogant little poo poo who was doing a racism and knew it- but it is incredibly unproductive to otherize/demonize a child. It's also not a good look to either insist that the kids privilege insulated him fully from harassment, or that he deserved the level of harassment he recieved. (He deserved to have some poo poo hurled his way for sure.) Because at the end of the day that kid is a product of a complex social system design to churn out arrogant little racist shits like him- and our real enemy is the system itself and the ideology used to justify the system.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Her "ethical failings" were being a sexual predator using her position to get her subordinates into sexual relationships. i get that your position is 'she had it coming' you don't need to explain further
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https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status/1189208570878922754?s=19 Boomer tears fill my dark soul with purpose
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drat the one Law of Twitter is as immutable as always https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1189526163607019520?s=19
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It was always obvious he was murdered. He had dirt on exceedingly powerful people- of course he mysteriously committed suicide in prison before the trial.
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personally i think hill's sexual misconduct rates no worse than a quarter cosby at most where her former male partner gets close to two thirds of a cosby
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eke out posted:i get that your position is 'she had it coming' you don't need to explain further That isn't even vaguely what Skillson is saying. You have a real (vicious) habit of wilfully misconstruing what your interlocutor is saying so that you can castigate them as a moral inferior.
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If Trump loses in 2020, can you imagine how good it will feel going one whole day without breaking news about a hosed up policy, coruption? Not having to think "oh god what did they tweet now?"
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Prester Jane posted:In my opinion he is an a arrogant little poo poo who was clearly in the wrong, but let's not pretend that having his face become the symbol of that entire incident did not result in some severe harassment and psychological distress. stop defending some racist kid. Maybe if he had done literally anything other than double and triple and quadruple down he'd deserve more chances. But yknow, a privileged white kid feeling even a hint of social pressure not to be a piece of poo poo is absolutely abuse and totally unfair exactly what needs to be stopped
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luxury handset posted:personally i think hill's sexual misconduct rates no worse than a quarter cosby at most where her former male partner gets close to two thirds of a cosby Is this a logarithmic scale? Because Cosby was an absolute serial monster.
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Prester Jane posted:In my opinion he is an a arrogant little poo poo who was clearly in the wrong, but let's not pretend that having his face become the symbol of that entire incident did not result in some severe harassment and psychological distress. this is true. I do look at it as abuse to expose children to the direct misinformation that causes people to act the way he did in the video. Children are very impressionable and chances are he has learned a lot of pretty horrible lessons at home and at school. This doesn't excuse his behavior or the fact his parents are trying to make him out to be a victim. He hosed up and is dealing with the consequences. We live in a world that pretty much everything is going to be recorded and made public. If he had just released an full throated apology instead of trying to excuse his actions, the retribution may not have been so severe. My only hope in this situation is that he has learned something and it is his parents that are trying for the lawsuit and Nick is actually against it, but like you said, he is in an environment that is not conducive to that type of self reflection and atonement.
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Prester Jane posted:That isn't even vaguely what Skillson is saying. You have a real (vicious) habit of wilfully misconstruing what your interlocutor is saying so that you can castigate them as a moral inferior. actually they've been extremely clear that Hill "should not have been surprised" that her ex released hundreds of pictures of her, but also this is an incredibly funny take coming from you
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https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1189539686584389633 it's cool how the 'russiagate skeptics' spent months telling us that support for aid to Ukraine was proof that Trump couldn't possibly be in Putin's pocket, and now we come to learn that at basically every point where they possibly could they undermined and delayed that support the best they could get away with
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:If Trump loses in 2020, can you imagine how good it will feel going one whole day without breaking news about a hosed up policy, coruption? Not having to think "oh god what did they tweet now?" donald isn't the only source of hosed up policy and corruption, at best the media will just stop focusing on it
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I really hope that intern who was a third-party victim in all this sues Hill's ex out of financial solvency. It's really hard to tell where on the sex-pest scale Hill herself falls without more details.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1189537946392760321 The only losers I see are the losers in the Tweet
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TheDisreputableDog posted:A bunch of people on twitter saw a picture, made a bunch of assumptions about what led up to it, and said some horrible stuff about a kid. "BUT THE HAT!!!", the pro life rally, how rich his parents are just represent retroactive justifications for people to avoid admitting they were wrong. Stating this was about political iconography is moving the goalposts, and explaining why someone deserved the abuse anyway for these other reasons is actually victim blaming. This is very tedious. The kid and his friends were actively participating in a political act, wearing political clothing and attending a political rally. Their politics are based around the idea that people like the Native man have no place in America, for a variety of reasons that I shouldn't have to explain to you and should be common knowledge - if not about Republican right-wing reactionary ideology in general, than specifically about the particular animating paleoconservative nativist nationalism behind Trump. To use a simple analogy, we come back to "should you punch Nazis." Part of the justification for punching Nazis is that being a Nazi, inherently, is a political act - it's not something you're born as, you have to choose to be one. Now, in this particular case, it's not as extreme, but also the Native man did not, to my knowledge, physically hit or touch the kids. So what is the contention? "Oh no, the Native man was being mean to the poor innocent MAGA kids who are simply too young and naive to understand their own political iconography, despite being the children of wealthy elites brought up in an environment of power and privilege." If the kids are allowed to wear stupid racist bullshit clothing, then other people can walk up and tell them they're assholes. The entire thing is basically a real life version of calm hitler . jpg, but we all have to pretend like MAGA hats and pro-life rallies are somehow perfectly neutral and apolitical things and ideas and as such the kids were perfectly innocent and unprovocative. edit: oh and we're also just gonna pretend like there wasn't video released of the kids harassing their classmates lol. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Oct 30, 2019 |
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TheDisreputableDog posted:A bunch of people on twitter saw a picture, made a bunch of assumptions about what led up to it, and said some horrible stuff about a kid. "BUT THE HAT!!!", the pro life rally, how rich his parents are just represent retroactive justifications for people to avoid admitting they were wrong. Stating this was about political iconography is moving the goalposts, and explaining why someone deserved the abuse anyway for these other reasons is actually victim blaming. That kid was being a smug piece of poo poo flaunting what he felt was his open white supremacy gently caress him, he is NOT the victim and how DARE you try to take the language of victims and the oppressed and attempt to apply it to him in some sort of galaxy-brain #bothsides argument that is really just ignorant-as-gently caress centrism StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Oct 30, 2019 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:stop defending some racist kid. Maybe if he had done literally anything other than double and triple and quadruple down he'd deserve more chances. I grew up in a redneck town and was socialized to have some various lovely views that I have long since worked myself out of. That said, I still would have never been this piece of poo poo kid literally being a bully to this man. There is "raised with lovely views" and there is "exhibits bullying, predatory behavior with a group of fellow bullies like a little lovely mob."
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eke out posted:actually they've been extremely clear that Hill "should not have been surprised" that her ex released hundreds of pictures of her, but also this is an incredibly funny take coming from you I haven't really seen anybody expressing that take here. I think Hill deserves to lose her seat due to her apparent lack of judgement in this case. No one deserves to have their dignity and safety taken away like she has. Katie Hill should not be in Congress and her husband and everyone involved in leaking those photos should be in jail. Edit: It is still bullshit that a Republican congressman would've gotten high-fived for banging all his staffers and would still be in office.
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The Sean posted:I grew up in a redneck town and was socialized to have some various lovely views that I have long since worked myself out of. That said, I still would have never been this piece of poo poo kid literally being a bully to this man. There is "raised with lovely views" and there is "exhibits bullying, predatory behavior with a group of fellow bullies like a little lovely mob." Yeah he was 16 at the time. Elementary school kids know better. It's comically infantilizing to suggest that someone just over a year away from voting is so wildly unaware of their actions. As someone who also grew up around a ton of white supremacists, it's extremely important that people know that there are consequences for just going with the crowd, especially a crowd like that
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