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"We're not even getting a chance to defend ourselves!" I yelled from the seat of government 100 times a day for the past month
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pthighs posted:The existence of photos/video/audio always makes it worse. It's why Hill and Nixon had to resign, and why Ray Rice never played another down in the NFL even though he was a good player and the league is full of domestic abusers. The difference between Trump getting removed and not getting removed may well be whether any audio or video of him doing the deed becomes public. It's just the way it works. This effect is quickly evaporating though. I'd be surprised if anyone is swayed anymore given the prevalence of deep fakes nowadays (and thats only going to get worse).
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Oct 31, 2019 21:18
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DandyLion posted:This effect is quickly evaporating though. I'd be surprised if anyone is swayed anymore given the prevalence of deep fakes nowadays (and thats only going to get worse). Has there been a single instance of a prominent deep fake being part of a national controversy? That's all still some future speculation.
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Oct 31, 2019 21:24
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Has there been a single instance of a prominent deep fake being part of a national controversy? That's all still some future speculation. Bet your bottom dollar if there is ever video/photo evidence of Trump committing CRIMES, you'll be so sick of hearing of 'Deepfakes' your head will spin.
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Oct 31, 2019 21:25
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Has there been a single instance of a prominent deep fake being part of a national controversy? That's all still some future speculation. They aren't good enough yet to not call out. They might get there, but there's nothing that doesn't look at least a wee bit off.
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Oct 31, 2019 21:26
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Has there been a single instance of a prominent deep fake being part of a national controversy? That's all still some future speculation. I don't think there has been yet, but that's probably because it's yet to be revealed that Manchin is actually Kevin McCarthy with a real bad deep fake job over his face. It explains everything. But to be real, it doesn't really matter if there's a deep fake or not. People already willfully and gleefully ignore history, science, and abject reality for all kinds of reasons, so it probably won't be as big a blow to the credibility of media as it rightfully should be.
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Oct 31, 2019 21:27
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Has there been a single instance of a prominent deep fake being part of a national controversy? That's all still some future speculation. But the potential of it is sure to sway the extremely tech-literate voting populace! https://twitter.com/big_cases/status/1190000627277082625 This is generous as a "big case" but Corsi loses in a laugher. eta: "the Court need not accept factual inferences that are unsupported by the facts alleged in the complaint, nor is the court required to accept the plaintiff's legal conclusions" Paracaidas fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Oct 31, 2019 |
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Oct 31, 2019 21:28
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Paracaidas posted:But the potential of it is sure to sway the extremely tech-literate voting populace! lmao I am shocked to see that Larry Klayman lost a case but at least he will definitely be appealing e: jesus he couldn't even get service done right he is so incredibly bad at this his process server went to the U.S. Office of the Special Counsel instead of the Special Counsel's Office where Mueller worked and even that fuckup only happened > 90 days after the complaint was filed, when his time for service had already expired. he did not request an extension eke out fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Oct 31, 2019 |
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Oct 31, 2019 21:29
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Manchin definitely isn't the kind of Democrat West Virginians want. Bernie Sanders won every single county in the state by double digits
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Oct 31, 2019 21:32
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eke out posted:morrison tried to do the "well *i* don't see anything wrong here" but the substance of his testimony appears to have just confirmed everything we already know
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Oct 31, 2019 21:32
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Sir Lemming posted:"We're not even getting a chance to defend ourselves!" I yelled from the seat of government 100 times a day for the past month What I find sort of interesting is the communication around impeachment up until now is about creating a narrative that people are willing to get behind with complete disregard for plausibility. Instead the narrative only has to get emotional people to propagate the message to others and let familiarity stand in the place of truth, i.e. familiarity bias. Anyone have any book recommendations on how propaganda has evolved over time? It seems like there is a new evolution of propaganda but maybe I am just not well read in the subject.
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Oct 31, 2019 21:36
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It's Halloween. Want to hear something that will chill your bones? Ex-presidential candidate and Colorado Senate hopeful John Hickenlooper took his mother to see Deep Throat.
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Oct 31, 2019 21:36
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Ague Proof posted:It's Halloween. Want to hear something that will chill your bones? You see, this is who I would like us to be focusing on instead of Manchin.
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Oct 31, 2019 21:39
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Oct 31, 2019 21:41
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Manchin definitely isn't the kind of Democrat West Virginians want. Bernie Sanders won every single county in the state by double digits Sanders is so popular in WV because he pays attention to the state and offers solutions to problems they have. The mainstream party hasn't done that since Clinton and he basically abandoned the state immediately for his third way poo poo.
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Oct 31, 2019 21:47
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Manchin definitely isn't the kind of Democrat West Virginians want. Bernie Sanders won every single county in the state by double digits There is definitely room in West Virginia for an economic populists message to succeed, while also acknowledging that there are certain cultural elements (religion, guns) that are very important to the state. Unfortunately Anti immigration and racism is also really ingrained and does need to be dealt with.
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Oct 31, 2019 21:48
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Grapplejack posted:Sanders is so popular in WV because he pays attention to the state and offers solutions to problems they have. The mainstream party hasn't done that since Clinton and he basically abandoned the state immediately for his third way poo poo. this take is just empirically wrong. bernie won a late, open primary where edging on half of his voters were republicans voting for "gently caress hillary." it has little to no value in telling us who would succeed in WV except "not Hillary Clinton" exit polls prove this quote:In fact, 39 percent of Sanders voters said they would vote for Trump over Sanders in the fall. For Clinton, nine percent of her voters say they plan to come out for Trump in the general election. by contrast, richard ojeda could not even win his district eke out fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Oct 31, 2019 |
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Oct 31, 2019 21:52
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eke out posted:this take is just empirically wrong. There are folks in the primary thread saying they believe Sanders will win WV in the general 
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Oct 31, 2019 21:55
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Manchin definitely isn't the kind of Democrat West Virginians want. Bernie Sanders won every single county in the state by double digits I honestly don't think that means what you think it means.
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Oct 31, 2019 21:55
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I loving hate Manchinchat
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Grapplejack posted:Sanders is so popular in WV because he pays attention to the state and offers solutions to problems they have. The mainstream party hasn't done that since Clinton and he basically abandoned the state immediately for his third way poo poo. West Virginia wants someone to promise coal is awesome, not solutions to the problem that coal is dead.
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eke out posted:this take is just empirically wrong. this
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Oct 31, 2019 21:57
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Oct 31, 2019 22:03
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Bernie won a primary that didnt matter, while Manchin won a statewide general election. How can you possibly say that Bernie represents the state more than Manchin?
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Oct 31, 2019 22:03
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Seph posted:Bernie won a Democrat-only primary that didnt matter, while Manchin won a statewide general election. How can you possibly say that Bernie represents the state more than Manchin? *puts on his Bernie Bro hat* Sounds to me like West Virginia is failing Bernie. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 31, 2019 22:05
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Seph posted:Bernie won a primary that didnt matter, while Manchin won a statewide general election. How can you possibly say that Bernie represents the state more than Manchin? Silent (Leftist) Majority.
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Oct 31, 2019 22:07
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skylined! posted:Choosing his investments This should really be illegal. Unfortunately we live in hellworld
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Oct 31, 2019 22:08
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https://twitter.com/joshgerstein/status/1190007365489299457 this is loving egregious and clearly this 70 year old George W Bush judge is just hoping some ruling from the DC Circuit moots this whole case before he has to do anything about it we should all hope so too
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Oct 31, 2019 22:08
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That's because the idea already exists, it's called "do some actual maintenance on the grid you own, you loving shitheels." This attempt by the right to insist "California blackouts are because LIBERALS!!!!!!!!!" is getting really loving tiresore.
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Oct 31, 2019 22:09
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If Manchin was up for reelection in 2020 you'd probably see more overt MAGA stuff. No matter what it is, he's hedging. He doesn't need to make a move until (if) some Republicans move
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Oct 31, 2019 22:10
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haveblue posted:Read the whole article- he's not leaving the post until well after all of this is said and done. It’s literally the first sentence of the story when you click it.
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Oct 31, 2019 22:11
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:That's because the idea already exists, it's called "do some actual maintenance on the grid you own, you loving shitheels." I don't think that's what hes saying, just more mocking SV tech dudes generally, which I'm all for
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Oct 31, 2019 22:12
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ManBoyChef posted:This should really be illegal. Unfortunately we live in hellworld Yeah, laws are the thing that stops him
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Oct 31, 2019 22:13
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eke out posted:by contrast, richard ojeda could not even win his district Edit: I think my main frustration with my argument every time it comes up is that everyone acknowledges that local Democrats need to run a different message from the larger party to win in these deep red states, but poo poo on the only state party that's running a different message that consistently wins. Tibalt fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Oct 31, 2019 |
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oxsnard posted:I don't think that's what hes saying, just more mocking SV tech dudes generally, which I'm all for 
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I hope you guys don't like Nintendo cause I just found out something about their newest game Luigi's Manchin John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Oct 31, 2019 |
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Oct 31, 2019 22:27
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:Probably should have actually clicked through to his profile before assuming he was a right-wing idiot This isn't a bad bet tbh, you just happened to roll snake eyes here. SV techbros are too big brained to focus on "boring" problems like infrastructure or anything that doesn't require a Rube Goldberg machine.
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Tibalt posted:To be fair to Ojeda he did get 44% of the vote in a +20% R district during a midterm election with Trump coming up to actively campaign against him. It is intensely frustrating. People would be more willing to forgive the Manchins of the world if they weren't already seen as in the way of an already distant hope. The larger problem is that the senate is intolerable as an office; the way it exists will impede progress, as it historically has done, forever. Our system is in crisis, and so everyone is angry about whatever point is currently pinching them -- for a lot of people it's Manchin "betraying" the leftist ideals because they have already written off every single republican. What we need is for people to start calling for the abolition of the senate as it currently exists, because it's a structural problem, not a matter of staffing that's really in the way. I mean, barring the abolition of republicans, I guess... but given our population distribution, the senate will always be a problem until it has some other kind of functionality.
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