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FizFashizzle posted:how many times are the chargers going to fire that guy Just one. He left the last time to go coach Mariota
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Oct 29, 2019 03:17
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Teams don't normally wait until 10 p.m. ET to announce firing news, which tells me that the Monday meetings must have really gone sour.
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Oct 29, 2019 03:17
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thrilla in vanilla posted:Mike vrabel is not on the hot seat but he makes some really dumb ingame decisions and it makes me mad!!! Vrabel is like if you hosed with an opponent AI to always go aggressive on fourth downs and two point attempts, even when it's incredibly stupid to do so.
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Oct 29, 2019 03:20
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Do teams that fire their head coach mid season end up with better hires than those that wait until Black Monday?
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Oct 30, 2019 17:59
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Do teams that fire their head coach mid season end up with better hires than those that wait until Black Monday? I think the answer is generally no but that's my gut feeling and I have nothing to back it up with. I'd guess the idea is you can try and recruit a coach earlier even though you're not supposed to because of tampering rules if they're in the NFL. If they're on a decent team you can't actually hire them until they're out of the playoffs. If you have an eye on a college coach (or CFL I guess) they're probably good enough to sit around and see if a better job opens up because poo poo is bad if you're firing a coach mid-season. Having said that I don't think it's worthwhile to keep a dead man walking around because the players just lose all faith in what's going on and may never trust the organization again.
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Oct 30, 2019 18:10
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Do teams that fire their head coach mid season end up with better hires than those that wait until Black Monday? Teams that fired coach midseason, since 2000 with (their replacements in parentheses). I THINK I got them all, not sure. quote:00 Bengals: Bruce Coslet (Dick LeBeau) This is... pretty bad!
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Oct 30, 2019 18:15
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Yeah, but we need ones who waited until Black Monday to contrast and compare.
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Oct 30, 2019 18:16
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Yeah, but we need ones who waited until Black Monday to contrast and compare. That's way too much data to sift through  I already spent like 15 minutes on this, though I did it byhand. If someone else can pull up a spreadsheet or something with all NFL coaching changes since '00 that'd make it a lot easier.
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Oct 30, 2019 18:19
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I mean a big part of the problem here is that if you're bad enough to even be thinking you should fire your coach mid-season you're probably in a very bad place as a franchise. e: I also might have bolded Doug Marrone, although that's not because of anything he's done but who he replaced. Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Oct 30, 2019 |
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Oct 30, 2019 18:21
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Man I know why it worked out in that whole situation, but it's very funny that one of the biggest successes was replacing Wade Philips with Jason Garrett
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Oct 30, 2019 18:21
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Grittybeard posted:e: I also might have bolded Doug Marrone, although that's not because of anything he's done but who he replaced. Marrone and McDermott were the two I was really on the fence about. Both of them turned around their teams and got them to the playoffs really quickly ... but then followed up with disappointing seasons. 
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Oct 30, 2019 18:26
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SKULL.GIF posted:That's way too much data to sift through I appreciated your effort, SKULL.GIF Also, I don't think I even need to see the other data. That is clearly a horrible collection of ill-fated coaches
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Oct 30, 2019 18:28
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I think the biggest issue with firing a guy midseason gives the interim guy a shot to turn it around and those guys who end up getting the job are usually bad.
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Oct 30, 2019 18:31
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Also Jack Del Rio wasn't terrible in Oakland. wandler20 posted:I think the biggest issue with firing a guy midseason gives the interim guy a shot to turn it around and those guys who end up getting the job are usually bad. Yeah what does that list look like if you get rid of the dumb teams who hired the interim coach?
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Oct 30, 2019 18:32
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wandler20 posted:I think the biggest issue with firing a guy midseason gives the interim guy a shot to turn it around and those guys who end up getting the job are usually bad. Gregggg is the only interim I can think of being good after a firing.
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Oct 30, 2019 18:36
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Grittybeard posted:I mean a big part of the problem here is that if you're bad enough to even be thinking you should fire your coach mid-season you're probably in a very bad place as a franchise. What jumps out to me is how many teams are on there multiple times. Lions, Vikings, Falcons, Browns, Rams (3 times!), Bills, Raiders, Dolphins, Jaguars
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Oct 30, 2019 18:39
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SKULL.GIF posted:What jumps out to me is how many teams are on there multiple times. 
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Oct 30, 2019 18:49
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Technically the Rams only have 2, Mike Martz took a leave of absence in the middle of a season for a heart condition and then was fired a day after their final game that John Shaw refused to let Martz come back and coach.
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Oct 30, 2019 18:55
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Minor correction, the Lions didn't fire Bobby Ross. He threw up his hands, said gently caress this poo poo and quit. Which is far more embarrassing (for the team).
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Oct 30, 2019 19:26
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SKULL.GIF posted:Teams that fired coach midseason, since 2000 with (their replacements in parentheses). I THINK I got them all, not sure. Mike Mularkey was better than Whisenhunt, at the very least. He wasn't good, but he wasn't Whisenhunt bad and got the team to the playoffs once.
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Oct 30, 2019 20:11
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Q_res posted:Minor correction, the Lions didn't fire Bobby Ross. He threw up his hands, said gently caress this poo poo and quit. Which is far more embarrassing (for the team). Also, didn't Petrino quit? I thought Blank was very upset about him leaving.
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Oct 30, 2019 23:09
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Ol' Bobby P left a note taped to his office door and peaced out. Wouldn't even face his players, they wanted to loving kill him.
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Oct 30, 2019 23:17
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Kalli posted:Ol' Bobby P left a note taped to his office door and peaced out. I feel like in the end karma caught up with him. 
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My favorite mid season firing was Scott Linehan being replaced by Jim Haslett. Haslett then won back to back games and people were talking about how he might have rehabed his career and was a dark horse candidate to keep the job after the season. Then he lost 10 straight games to close out the season.
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Oct 31, 2019 05:14
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Kalli posted:Ol' Bobby P left a note taped to his office door and peaced out. Mike Zimmer can't even give a coherent take on Petrino after a decade because he hates him so much.
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Grittybeard posted:Mike Zimmer can't even give a coherent take on Petrino after a decade because he hates him so much. “He’s a gutless bastard. Quote that. I don’t give a s—,” Zimmer said Wednesday, according to Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer. When Zimmer was told that responsible news organization may not be able to use “bastard,” Zimmer responded: “How about this, gutless motherfucker. You can use that.
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Oct 31, 2019 05:29
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Zim owns
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Oct 31, 2019 05:35
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this is fine gif https://twitter.com/chadp71/status/1189604964953448448
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Oct 31, 2019 19:00
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OxySnake posted:“He’s a gutless bastard. Quote that. God drat I love when coaches stop the facade and give a real answer like that.
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Oct 31, 2019 19:00
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I wish there was more unedited clips of Zim being micd up. He has the best meltdowns. https://youtu.be/Ct7KBt5Blrs
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Judging by trends this season I wonder if anyone is going to try to shake up coaching this season and just hire a guy as head coach who is exclusively in charge of managing game situations, taking timeouts and challenging and just the overall mechanics of the team. Then just paying out the rear end for a College guy to run the offense and finding a decent DC on the other side as playcallers.
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DariusLikewise posted:Judging by trends this season I wonder if anyone is going to try to shake up coaching this season and just hire a guy as head coach who is exclusively in charge of managing game situations, taking timeouts and challenging and just the overall mechanics of the team. Then just paying out the rear end for a College guy to run the offense and finding a decent DC on the other side as playcallers. This is basically how the Cowboys operate now, except Jason Garrett is bad at the role you described instead of good.
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More teams should back off to that situation. Kliff and Lafleur are doing well though so teams will continue chasing the next Mcvay.
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DariusLikewise posted:Judging by trends this season I wonder if anyone is going to try to shake up coaching this season and just hire a guy as head coach who is exclusively in charge of managing game situations, taking timeouts and challenging and just the overall mechanics of the team. Then just paying out the rear end for a College guy to run the offense and finding a decent DC on the other side as playcallers. isn't this how the Ravens do it
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OxySnake posted:I wish there was more unedited clips of Zim being micd up. He has the best meltdowns. ...and then his eyeball popped out of his skull.
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sean10mm posted:This is basically how the Cowboys operate now, except Jason Garrett is bad at the role you described instead of good. Yeah, same sort of thing, but with someone who is better at clapping indigi posted:isn't this how the Ravens do it I think that's what I'm trying to get at, how in tune is Harbaugh with analytics and odds in terms of when to kick the FG, go for it on 4th down, call timeouts, etc? I really want to see a team that just has a head coach that manages the game and is responsible for discipline and team structure outside of games and all the schemes/plays go through the coordinators only.
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Nov 1, 2019 21:37
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Barry Switzer did that, except it was essentially the players coaching the team.
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GD_American posted:Barry Switzer did that, except it was essentially the players coaching the team. I feel slightly bad for Switzer because he was a legitimately innovative offensive mind in like, the 60s and 70s. But that's around the 4th thing anyone will ever remember him for and the first three are really embarrassing. On the other hand gently caress the Sooners so I can't feel too bad.
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Barry Switzer's NFL career was so weird. Even with his decorated college resume, nobody took him seriously and the players/fans/media always resented him for being Not Jimmy Johnson, yet the Cowboys were so talented they still won a Super Bowl while basically coaching themselves, and when they stopped winning they couldn't kick him to the curb fast enough. Even Dennis Erickson and Chip Kelly got a second chance in college after they flamed out in the pros. Switzer hasn't coached anywhere since 1997. Benne fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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