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TheDisreputableDog
Oct 13, 2005

FlamingLiberal posted:

All of their defenses have been pathetic and each one is making things worse for them

I honestly think the Senate Republican position is going to boil down to something like: okay, yes, there was a quid pro quo, and yes it may have been arguably unethical. But did it reach the level of impeachment? Nah, and also, don't forget we're so close to an election, this issue should really be decided by the voters. But here's a censure.

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DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe

TheDisreputableDog posted:

I honestly think the Senate Republican position is going to boil down to something like: okay, yes, there was a quid pro quo, and yes it may have been arguably unethical. But did it reach the level of impeachment? Nah, and also, don't forget we're so close to an election, this issue should really be decided by the voters. But here's a censure.

Agreed, but without the censure part. They don't even have the guts to do that.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
Why is he talking about the Academy Awards.

Ah whatever

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Dapper_Swindler posted:

if the chud senate types are basicaly pulling that sad level desperation, i sense things are going very poorly behind the scenes. like their entire defence is a mix of "the president can do no wrong" while also saying "the president is very "special" and doesnt understand poo poo.".

I'm really just surprised it's taken this long for the interests of the various factions in the Republican caucus to diverge in this poo poo show. "Yeah he crimed, what the gently caress are you going to do about it?" is going to be the position best utilized by the Cottons and Gaetzes to keep or improve their position. Meanwhile the positions of "It was just a accidental bit of light treason, an honest mistake.", "Look, I'm far too stupid to understand how this mountain of facts contradicts my wish that this all go away.", and "How about we just Censure him instead?" are going to start moving apart as well.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/katierogers/status/1190437601423044609
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1190433144496885760?s=20

Amazing Zimmo
Jan 27, 2006

That's quite a load you got in them diapers
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1190371592272064512

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1190377479573311489

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1190416050870992896

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1190437819463929861

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Gyges posted:

I'm really just surprised it's taken this long for the interests of the various factions in the Republican caucus to diverge in this poo poo show. "Yeah he crimed, what the gently caress are you going to do about it?" is going to be the position best utilized by the Cottons and Gaetzes to keep or improve their position. Meanwhile the positions of "It was just a accidental bit of light treason, an honest mistake.", "Look, I'm far too stupid to understand how this mountain of facts contradicts my wish that this all go away.", and "How about we just Censure him instead?" are going to start moving apart as well.

trump will hate all of them too and will push his own dumb narratives. the fist one admits wrong and the others make him look dumb and etc.



didnt conan go boom? also i love how jealous he is of a dog.

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

Donald Trump does not know what a dog is.

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Pretty cool that as long as I am too stupid to understand that crimes exist and that I can commit them, anything I do is legal no matter what.

Otteration
Jan 4, 2014

I CAN'T SAY PRESIDENT DONALD JOHN TRUMP'S NAME BECAUSE HE'S LIKE THAT GUY FROM HARRY POTTER AND I'M AFRAID I'LL SUMMON HIM. DONALD JOHN TRUMP. YOUR FAVORITE PRESIDENT.
OUR 47TH PRESIDENT AFTER THE ONE WHO SHOWERS WITH HIS DAUGHTER DIES
Grimey Drawer
Republican Senators continue to struggle to achieve message consensus tax:

https://i.imgur.com/XWsKy74.mp4

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
Calling in a dog so you can bask in that second hand attention is a hell of a rock bottom to tell the support group about.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1190441031411621894
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1190440832026984449

thin blue whine
Feb 21, 2004
PLEASE SEE POLICY


Soiled Meat

he's claiming he beat Obama now, somehow.

ArgumentatumE.C.T.
Nov 5, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Uglycat posted:

The score, as I see it:

There's an international fascist plot, and a great many entangling alliances among powerful white people across the globe.

This white nationalist fascist (need we call them Nazis?) plot includes RT, Fox, OAN, NRA, GOP, GRU, FSB, IRA, Brietbart, Fulang Gong, Project Veritas, Cambridge Analytica, QAnon, and candidates and parties across the globe.

Trump is the favored candidate of the international fascist plot in the USA, and enjoyed the support of this machine. He also seems to make a lot of irrational decisions, most of which are easily attributable to brainworms, but a real pattern clearly emerges implying the influence the international fascist plot has over his policy decisions.

Trump enjoys incredible (literally) party loyalty from the GOP. Sycophants all, he will never be acknowledged as having done wrong in their eyes. The House is now going to lay bare some very convincing charges against Trump, impuning his competency and shedding serious doubt on his loyalties. He will be shown to have violated his oath of office, and people will nit-pick over what a 'misdemeanor' means (to ancient dead white men that wrote).

Three US Senators may, in unison, be defying Trump. They will be attempting to use the opportunity to orchestrate a coup in the republican party. They'll have /a plan/. Like, entertain this hypothetical: 20 Republican US Senators approach Trump and say 'we're sick of your poo poo, and we're ready to throw you under the bus. Here's our terms, take 'em or leave em:
1) appoint these (specific, competent) persons to these (specific) positions, cleaning house on the entire cabinet.
2) follow the advice of these new cabinet members, or immediately face a character assassination from the Right coupled with a 25th Amendment use.
3) Stay off twitter
or we'll vote to convict you. Don't test us."

And then they'd have a plan for succession, as Trump steps down and Pence ascends. A plan for dealing with this in the media. A plan for cleaning up the mess. Some effort to make some gains in 2020, and a plan for 2024 that seems plausible and better than the present course.

And then they just have to convince 20 senators that they have a plan that will work out better than the present one. Which isn't hard. They're all terrified, nobody's at the reigns on things anymore.

My fear is that the Epstein stuff ties in like this: Epstein is a master at luring people into extremely compromising sexual situations, and using that information to blackmail and control them. He would lease his skillset to billionaires and intelligence agencies, an 'own a human for a mere 200k!' thing. Tell him who you want dirt on, receive tape of that person loving a kid and advice on how to make that person lick your boot forever.

Epstein got murdered. He had his master tapes of everyone he blackmailed, and people that hired him have individual tapes of targets. So different powerful agents have catalogues of kompromat on various characters, players all in the international scene we're now observing. And Epstein's master-tapes are in somebody's collection. If the FBI has them (and they aren't coming to light on account of the trial ending with his murder), then the DOJ gets to decide what leaks from that. It's likely at least one other intelligence agency got hold of the master tapes. There may be alignment between the present US DOJ and that other undefined intelligence agency.

And that might be why you see some Dem senators defect and the GOP 'wall' to hold strong, sparing Trump a conviction in the Senate. Hypothetically.

But if it plays that way - nobody has a plan. At least, not a plan that serves GOP senators and congresspersons. If a GOP senate coup drafts a plan that appears viable to the party, we may yet see Trump removed from office.

can i buy some pot from you

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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

wonder whats got him pissy about obama.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Strange Poon posted:

he's claiming he beat Obama now, somehow.


I think you mean the long, and famous, Middle Kingdom Obama Dynasty.

Amazing Zimmo
Jan 27, 2006

That's quite a load you got in them diapers
https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1190353179332009985

Otteration
Jan 4, 2014

I CAN'T SAY PRESIDENT DONALD JOHN TRUMP'S NAME BECAUSE HE'S LIKE THAT GUY FROM HARRY POTTER AND I'M AFRAID I'LL SUMMON HIM. DONALD JOHN TRUMP. YOUR FAVORITE PRESIDENT.
OUR 47TH PRESIDENT AFTER THE ONE WHO SHOWERS WITH HIS DAUGHTER DIES
Grimey Drawer

Where is he? Need to update my box score card.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1190442463158251520

cool brain worms.

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

Dapper_Swindler posted:

wonder whats got him pissy about obama.

Jealous that people aren't as jazzed about al-Baghdadi as they were about Bin Laden, plus the media comparing his bungling of the news to how relatively gracefully Obama handled the Bin Laden news

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?

why is he describing goons on his Twitter

Amazing Zimmo
Jan 27, 2006

That's quite a load you got in them diapers
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1190387078456107008

Amazing Zimmo
Jan 27, 2006

That's quite a load you got in them diapers
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1190446069970296833

e; fixed tweet

Amazing Zimmo fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Nov 2, 2019

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

He won't say bitch for some reason.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

i am curious if the chuds look bored or tired like they did last time.

Stickman
Feb 1, 2004

"Make America Great by making it more like China" probably isn't the most chud-inspiring line he's done.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Stickman posted:

"Make America Great by making it more like China" probably isn't the most chud-inspiring line he's done.

i mean alot of these assholes want a big hell surveillance state AND at the same super isolationism. i guess what gets me is how can anyone watch him anymore, its the same old 2 hour hate with maybe some new material. i know all these dipshits are waiting for him to declare obama and clinton public enemy number 1 or whatever but its never gonna happen.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

Speaking of cause and effect

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
I agree with Frum here. This is really bad.

https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1190417790269833216
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1190418781769744385
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1190421463045566464
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1190422846771777539
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1190424779859386368
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1190426212679729152

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

pretty much. basicaly the senate has 2 choices. sacrafice trump and many of themselves for the betterment of the country and than try to memory hole him by 2024 OR die for trump and let him take you all to hell.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.



So loving what? Everything else has been normalized, might as well normalize corruption. It'll fuckin' work.

Amazing Zimmo
Jan 27, 2006

That's quite a load you got in them diapers
https://twitter.com/EricTrump/status/1190278606230085633

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

Charlz Guybon posted:

I agree with Frum here. This is really bad.

David "I Literally Wrote The Axis Of Evil Speech" Frum talking about how surely, noone would be so depraved as to pretend doing something evil and stupid was okay because a Republican president did it is one hell of an angle.

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Trump's supporters have been riding the "so what?" train since he rode down the escalator.

Old habits are hard to break, until they break you.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Pollyanna posted:

So loving what? Everything else has been normalized, might as well normalize corruption. It'll fuckin' work.

i dont think it will. if this poo poo were normalized, we wouldnt be doing the whole impeachment show and the GOP would have had a real story/cover.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004





Smart me Trump kid!

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

theflyingorc posted:

Who would enforce it?

At the end of the day, there's not much you can do when half your population is fine with corruption, as long as it's infrom their favorteam.

It doesn't, and hasn't been, in their favor for a poo poo ton of the bullshit going on since 2016 but they keep cheering it on because it's their team doing it.
I loving guarantee you as soon as their team is out after the next election cycle suddenly all this bullshit they let come into play will suddenly be wrong and "The dems bringing down 'murica" because it's killing them.

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:



Yup. I figured they were going with that defense so they'd have a rhetorical fallback once the investigation actually went public. This is a really troubling development.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

the biggest problem with frum's argument is that he assumes republicans in the senate will get punished for not voting against trump

Dapper_Swindler posted:

i dont think it will. if this poo poo were normalized, we wouldnt be doing the whole impeachment show and the GOP would have had a real story/cover.

but the impeachment is being initiated by democrats

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sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
lol eat my poo poo Frum.

Most senate R's are intelligent and decent? You lying sack of garbage, we're not letting you bush toads rehab yourselves pretending the senate hasn't been furiously pulling their rancid puds to all the cruelty and stupidity of trump.

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