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Azza Bamboo posted:If you were working all day in the ham mines for a pittance without being told how socialism works or the reality of austerity, I can understand how some people's pork gets a bit salty when they see people not working the ham mines and getting a house that's just like the barely legal shed they rent. I spend far too much time in the ham mines with junior g-man, and neither of us would wish it on any of you. Speaking of ham mines... Podcasting is Praxis Episode 12 - Power-Ups In a Union Rarity, Xander, Pilchenstein, Mebh & of course VideoGames all talk about Video Games. Enjoy! E:24 is the number of hours you should spend listening to the podcast
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gh0stpinballa posted:the objective reality of corbyn as a compromise candidate between the left and the middle doesn't matter really, cos capital and media "perceive" him as a threat. there is room to work with this so it's not entirely bleak, but there are plenty of wealthy, elderly fascists around who will be fully on board with a violent right wing street movement. MikeCrotch posted:There is definitely a situation where a good chunk of the membership is getting increasingly annoyed with Corbyn for being overly compromising on things, particularly with the PLP. essentially there seems to be a good cop, bad cop dynamic with Corbyn and McDonnell respectively towards the parliamentary party - it shouldn't be a surprise that McDonnell is omnipresent at The World Transformed and seemingly more popular among engaged party members. One question here is exactly how important Corbyn is personally to the project as a whole, and how much of the "Oh Jeremy Corbyn" spirit will stay after he's gone (whenever that may be). As you say, there's a chunk of the left getting pretty pissed off at the compromising, and there's going to be more compromising if Labour get in (from McDonnell as well, probably, given how his rhetoric's shifted), so at that point is Corbyn a liability to the left or is his reputation and "vibe" critical for connection with the target voters? Which then leads to the question of exactly what recourse the party's left has if they do want to get rid; the extent to which the leadership is actually responsive and accountable to the membership (it should be, given that democracy supposed to be is one of Corbyn's key Things) Also there's the union problem which seems a bit thorny; how long would the unions stay on Labour's side if Labour tried to really push the Green New Deal thing as far as it needs to go? If an essential policy creates 10,000 green jobs but removes 20,000 polluting ones, which way do the unions break? Does Labour get pressured into not doing the policy and loving the climate targets? etc. Future's looking interesting. ed: sorry, i've been... brambling... a bit  CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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If I was going to suggest a route to electoral reform, labour should extend the franchise to 16 year olds as soon as possible, encourage the formation of splinter factions within labour (like momentum) and then after a government or two, consider transitioning to a different way of counting the votes, or sooner I guess if it looks like it might hamstring an incoming tory government. But I do not want tory/bxp/lib bloc agreeing on crushing the paups and privatising everything, thank you.
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So the Tories have 'banned fracking', a major and costly policy U-turn that could neutralise a big environmental argument for Labour. Let's see what's on the news today. a) Rugby rugby rugby b) reminding everyone fracking exists c) showing a clip of Andrea Leadsom saying fracking is awesome and the ban is temporary d) showing a clip of Corbyn saying only Labour will ban fracking for good Classic Dom.
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Went to my local labour party meeting for the first time in three years. It wasn't quite the electrifying, standing room only, rabble rousing, eve-of-revolution sort of event I'd expected. More a bunch of old guys bellowing about not being able to hear each other while sitting at opposite ends of a long table in a large room. There was a drawn out discussion on what twitter and facebook are. These parties need volunteers like us more than you can possibly imagine. If you can't do door-knocking, there'll be running the boards. If you can't run the boards, there'll be data entry. If you can't do data entry, there'll be phone banking. If you can't do phone banking, there'll be envelopes to stuff. Everyone can play a part. Some things I picked up. The link between local labour parties and momentum seems weak. Momentum can put boots on the ground like nobody else but the local parties know where they need to be. It's going to be a campaign waged on cold dark nights which favours our larger, more motivated, more mobile campaign team. Wrap up warm and take a torch. The more light you have the more noticeable and safe you are. There are plenty of older labour voters who might struggle to get out on election day. If you're door-knocking, take some postal vote application forms and make sure people know they need to be in by midnight on the 26th.
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I'm also not really sure that adopting the opposition's policies during an election campaign is necessarily the most effective way to sell yourself as a party.
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Another semi lurker here. Nice work with the podcast by the way. https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1190661666029146112 If there are any Merseygoons about would anyone mind giving Liz Savage a mention on this tweet? We're trying to get her name out there as much as possible so hopefully Southport people won't just vote lib dem again out of habit.
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OwlFancier posted:There's an argument that we would have benefited from a proprtional voting system decades ago, and that we might benefit from one in the future, but at this moment in time I think it would only make things worse. MLK posted:There is nothing more dangerous than to build a society with a large segment of people in that society who feel that they have no stake in it; who feel that that have nothing to lose. People who have stake in their society, protect that society, but when they don't have it, they unconsciously want to destroy it. The nice thing is that the most likely thing to smash FPTP is the utter destruction of the Tory party by it ripping itself in twain. That's a good start. (I'm also skeptical that you'd get many parties calling to break the press or talk about the appeal of a socialist society under FPTP after the End Of History right up until the point where Capitalism eats itself, it's only because of a misstep by Labour centrists that of course the masses aren't radical leftists and want eternal David Milibandism that we got Corbyn.)
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ronya posted:huh this post owns if you imagine the Saw theme while you read it
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And if we were stuck with milliband eternal then I'd probably be more for electoral reform right now, but as we have right now a party that might well be able to create a better ground to transition into it, I'd rather we used that opportunity. I'm also not sure that the damage done to the voting public is so easily undone, which is sort of what I was getting at with the decades ago thing, I don't think that people are going to really transition back to loving poo poo up mentality en-masse (if they ever had it to begin with.) I think that's something you just have to wait for death to solve. So that's another reason why I'd really like a decent foundation to minimise the losses incurred while we wait for that to happen.
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This can't possibly be real. 
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Eschenique posted:This can't possibly be real. what about the name "Wurrence Telephene" gave it away
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In fairness if that was in the guardian I would believe wurrance telphene was a real columnist.
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Eschenique posted:This can't possibly be real.
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It was posted by Zwei squirrel so it threw me off a bit. Glad it's not true but it wasn't as unfeasible as it should have been.
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Eschenique posted:This can't possibly be real. Of course it isn't real. Hatred of tree-rats would be her only sound and sensible opinion.
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OwlFancier posted:And if we were stuck with milliband eternal then I'd probably be more for electoral reform right now, but as we have right now a party that might well be able to create a better ground to transition into it, I'd rather we used that opportunity. It's like someone was saying in another thread and I can't find it at all, but at homeless shelters people keep smashing up the bathrooms. Why would you do that? There's no rational or psychologically healthy reason why, but it's a way of controlling your environment when all other avenues have been denied to you, it's the unconscious drive to want to destroy society. I don't think many of these people want fash or Tories, they just want a stake in society and some modicum of control. They're not the ones voting eternal seas of blue across the country by putting a cross in a box, they're the ones doing it by staying at home. Of course it needs to go hand in hand with press reform and mass party involvement with parties to the left of Labour when those spring up (Momentum might be an avenue for that), but continuing press irrelevancy and endless hung parliaments with wrecker MPs is going to create the material conditions for that to happen anyway, or we just end up in Brexit poo poo eternal. OwlFancier posted:In fairness if that was in the guardian I would believe wurrance telphene was a real columnist.
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This thread moves far too fast I feel like a grandpa. Firstly, the super rich aren't going to leave minutes after JC gets elected because you can't take a Bentley onboard in your hand luggage. Secondly, why has nobody pointed out that the politician-posing-with-dog hall of fame is a very exclusive one for Johnson to join. 
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Soylent Yellow posted:Of course it isn't real. Hatred of tree-rats would be her only sound and sensible opinion. They're tree kittens 
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I guess for further qualification I'm not sure that it's very easy to get someone to flip from "gently caress up society and foreigners and poors and my BASTARD UNGRATEFUL CHILDREN to the more organized and productive loving up of specific parts of society that socialists want.
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CGI Stardust posted:oh dear. noted aristocrat marina hyde. or marine hyda, because she probably wants to station troops all round the globe Indeed. A lot of the business community has already accepted Labour as the best and indeed inevitable choice because the alternative is clownshoes nativism. So I don't think there will be a coup against the next Labour government. The one after that, on the other hand...  
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OwlFancier posted:I guess for further qualification I'm not sure that it's very easy to get someone to flip from "gently caress up society and foreigners and poors and my BASTARD UNGRATEFUL CHILDREN to the more organized and productive loving up of specific parts of society that socialists want. Given that Labour seems to do better when turnout increases I'd imagine a lot of them want "generic good sounding left things", free prescriptions, better jobs, more control of their own personal lived experience. Things that neither Blair nor Brown nor Cameron nor Clegg could give them. I can also imagine that they're low engagers with general political things and many may have voted Leave because "life's gotten shitter over the past 30 years, all them in Parliament are rich cunts who don't care." Leave had a more positive message to the non-engaged than Remain's "Britain's already great" pathway. goddamnedtwisto posted:[citation needed]  which as I'm neither in South Africa nor India nor the 1930s aren't very useful even though they're still allowed here, or the Chinese 'universal socket' style ones  which fit all major worldwide plugs and most good paper clips and lol no thanks.
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mila kunis posted:ahaha Funny thing is they said exactly the same thing about Blair in 97 and, oddly, nothing happened. Combined with the business community fleeing the Conservatives and shacking up with Labour as the least bad option, I'm starting to entertain the notion that we might achieve the Blair effect without actually doing a Blair. Braggart fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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Why wouldn't you just use one of these?
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Everytime I remember about shaver plugs my mind is blown again. I know what the rationale behind it is, I just find it so ridiculous because I never charge the bathroom appliances in the bathroom so I just end up buying an adapter and plug it to the appliance and keep it there permanently so it becomes a normal plug.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Bus services should also have a 3 year rolling guaranteed timetable so people can PLAN. Jaeluni Asjil for Bus Commissar. They have good and practical ideas, and a wealth of experience to draw on.
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blunt posted:Why wouldn't you just use one of these? Pochoclo posted:Everytime I remember about shaver plugs my mind is blown again. I know what the rationale behind it is, I just find it so ridiculous because I never charge the bathroom appliances in the bathroom so I just end up buying an adapter and plug it to the appliance and keep it there permanently so it becomes a normal plug. Also other countries believe that RCDs/GFIs are real things that work so you can have a proper socket in the bathroom and still have your two pin electric toothbrush, whereas the UK went instead with shaver sockets that don't have RCDs and yet can still deliver enough current to kill you but you can't plug anything useful into them. Fucken l-o-l.
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ronya posted:that would give a revoke A50 position a credible voice on the stage... lol ronya, please post like this more often  The Simpsons memes were a good subversion of your style too 
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Braggart posted:I'm starting to entertain the notion that we might achieve the Blair effect without actually doing a Blair. We literally already did, the swing we achieved in the last election was bigger than 'the Blair effect' swing was, the difference was we were starting from the lovely position Blairism left us in.
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Guavanaut posted:which fit all major worldwide plugs and most good paper clips and lol no thanks. The death-dapter: allows the earth pin from UK plugs to be inserted into the live socket.
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Vitamin P posted:We literally already did, the swing we achieved in the last election was bigger than 'the Blair effect' swing was, the difference was we were starting from the lovely position Blairism left us in. I'm entertaining the notion that we might do it more
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How many shavers do you own that you need an extension lead to hold them all?
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OwlFancier posted:How many shavers do you own that you need an extension lead to hold them all? i've only got 2 slots which isn't enough to charge my toothbrush, shaver and bad dragon ovipositor
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Communist Thoughts posted:i've only got 2 slots which isn't enough to charge my toothbrush, shaver and bad dragon ovipositor Using all three of these at once seems like it would be asking for trouble somewhat.
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OwlFancier posted:How many shavers do you own that you need an extension lead to hold them all? Oddly enough, the two pin socket was never envisioned just as a bathroom thing (or even originally as a bathroom thing, the 1970 scope said "a restricted rating of 200 mA for use on voltages of 200 V to 250V a.c. only and are shuttered, and are for use in rooms other than bathrooms") so it seems like it was originally intended for two pin plugs to be used to power desk lamps and clocks and radios and other stuff like that, but it never took off. Too European I guess 
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Firos posted:Using all three of these at once seems like it would be asking for trouble somewhat. its just efficient, one in each hand then bounce up and down on the third. spit out the toothpaste and wash away the shavings while completing the oviparous stage
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Guavanaut posted:I do, but they take up a bunch of full 13A sockets on the lead, a bunch of little shaver sockets between the big ones would be much more convenient. I guess I could plug power cubes into power strips ad inferos, but it just seems like something that should exist but doesn't. European wiring standards are completely poo poo. The only rooms in the house that have to have an earth are the kitchen and bathroom, but it doesn't matter because the plugs can go in upside down and reverse live and neutral anyway. Lighting and sockets in a room are on the same radial. The sockets themselves take up the same amount of room but are more difficult to wire because they're made up of more parts, which are also somewhat fragile, so half of them get bent inside and you have to slam plugs into them with your palm or sometimes a hammer. You can't hammer the little two pin ones, so if the socket is like this you just have to go find another place to plug it in. They also had the genius idea that every socket on an extension lead should be at 45 degree angles, and where the wire comes out of a plug is 50/50 the top or the side. So if you've got to plug in a computer and a lamp and something that uses a wall wart you have to spend ages figuring out the correct order and position to plug them in. It's a really really boring and annoying version of the cube that makes the hellraiser guy show up. Also for some reason they think it's acceptable to backfeed power from a solar panel into the wall sockets.
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MikeCrotch posted:One of my online enby friends left the Lib Dems and is considering switching to Labour over how dogshit the Lib Dems have been with accepting noted homophobe Phillip Lee and forcing local members to campaign for him. Lib Dems in being shortsighted and greedy and taking their support for granted shocker
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