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CJ posted:From reading a summary of the plot additions in the new semester it sounds dumb and pointless. I find it quite refreshing actually It really throws the hard questions of is a treasure worth stealing when it comes from someone with noble but misguided aims? Takuto is the only Palace target who felt justified given the track of events that happened in Persona with abuse of power and all the horrible poo poo inflicted upon the thieves. But the question is this, has humanity gotten so bad that the go to cosmic horror for the end of the universe had to play the role of the savior? Philemon nearly lost the game to Nyarly thanks to the dream world that Takuto created.
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The Akechi changes aren't as awful as I thought they'd be either: If you max out Akechi's confidant (which is now progressed manually) he takes the fall for Joker on Christmas and winds up in jail in his place. Then he shows up in the dream world. Except it turns out it really isn't him, but rather the manifestation of Joker's wish: that he could have saved Akechi. When you undo the dream world it turns out Akechi taking the fall for Joker never happened and you wind up in jail like the vanilla game.The only "real" change is that there's some ambiguous shots in the ending cutscene that imply Akechi is still alive.
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Shinjobi posted:HEY YO GAME OF THE CENTURY 
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Sydin posted:The Akechi changes aren't as awful as I thought they'd be either: If you max out Akechi's confidant (which is now progressed manually) he takes the fall for Joker on Christmas and winds up in jail in his place. Then he shows up in the dream world. Except it turns out it really isn't him, but rather the manifestation of Joker's wish: that he could have saved Akechi. When you undo the dream world it turns out Akechi taking the fall for Joker never happened and you wind up in jail like the vanilla game.The only "real" change is that there's some ambiguous shots in the ending cutscene that imply Akechi is still alive. joker, watching all of his friends sympathize with goro and try to make a connection with him to encourage him to turn his life around: man i hope you die here e: im sure it'll be at least a little better in practice, and i've heard other things that contradict this but man that's terrible e2: okay yeah that above quote isn't entirely true it seems? from what I've read Maxing out Goro's Link will lead to him killing Cognitive Goro, and he does actually take the blame for The Phantom Theives, not his own crimes. Suddenly on January 1st, he's released from jail and that's when he knows that something is wrong.The Dream World Goro IS actually Goro, partly there by Joker wanting to save him but also by Goro wanting to start over, not just an idealized Goro that Joker wanted, he's a real boy. Goro joins the Phantom Thieves for real, donning his Black Mask form and using Loki . At the end, Joker is given the choice to end the dream world, and Goro really encourages you to do this, despite knowing that things won't be great for him. (You can chose not do it and live in the dream world and Goro's like "Alright I guess". Denying the dream world evolves Goro's Persona into Hereward the Wake, the figure that Robin Hood was maybe based on. Once back in the real world, Goro is missing and Joker goes to jail, only to appear very briefly passing by Joker on the train That's at least better but again I'll have to see it. Here's Herewald tho  Expect My Mom fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Nov 4, 2019 |
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CJ posted:From reading a summary of the plot additions in the new semester it sounds dumb and pointless. It lets me hang out with my cool pals and my talking cat and my curry-dad for a few months longer before going back to my stupid real parents in my stupid hometown
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I mean, I guess that's better? idk I didn't feel like Goro really needed the game to "do anything his character" or whatever, he's a murderous piece of poo poo regardless of his circumstances. Oh well, looking forward to pulling a Marche and crushing everybody's hopes and dreams because can't you see it's escapism?!
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Nov 4, 2019 08:32
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Fojar38 posted:It lets me hang out with my cool pals and my talking cat and my curry-dad for a few months longer before going back to my stupid real parents in my stupid hometown At least P5 makes a bigger deal of 'hey we can still text and do vacations and talk with cams and once you graduate we can move in together' than P4 did. That said, I agree with everything you just said.
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Nov 4, 2019 13:48
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Sydin posted:The Akechi changes aren't as awful as I thought they'd be either: If you max out Akechi's confidant (which is now progressed manually) he takes the fall for Joker on Christmas and winds up in jail in his place. Then he shows up in the dream world. Except it turns out it really isn't him, but rather the manifestation of Joker's wish: that he could have saved Akechi. When you undo the dream world it turns out Akechi taking the fall for Joker never happened and you wind up in jail like the vanilla game.The only "real" change is that there's some ambiguous shots in the ending cutscene that imply Akechi is still alive. Well, at least they didn’t do something as stupid as, say, making Akechi completely innocent of all the murders. On an unrelated note, P5S looks amazing. Can’t wait to tour Japan and slaughter Shadows by the hundreds with the Gnostic “mother” of Yaldobaoth and her yo-yos. https://youtu.be/uBswRswhiHM
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The most shocking thing about that clip to me is... They're letting Joker change personas in the musou-like? I was SURE he'd be stuck with Arsene and nothing else!
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Infinity Gaia posted:The most shocking thing about that clip to me is... They're letting Joker change personas in the musou-like? I was SURE he'd be stuck with Arsene and nothing else! He’s used a couple of them already in trailers. Mostly early game stuff like Pixie, Bicorn, and Selkie. I’m not sure how it all works yet, but Arsene is probably a constant, but he can add or remove additional ones to swap to. I guess it means a that enemies will still have weakness and resistances/immunities to watch out for to justify not just brute forcing your way through like most Warriors games.
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Nov 4, 2019 16:18
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Sydin posted:I mean, I guess that's better? idk I didn't feel like Goro really needed the game to "do anything his character" or whatever, he's a murderous piece of poo poo regardless of his circumstances. also "regardless of his circumstances" is just a weird label to put on a fictional child. This might sound sarcastic but the biggest failure of P5's writing is probably the fact that a lot of players can't seem to generate sympathy with Goro despite all of the party members doing it.
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Nov 4, 2019 17:08
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Expect My Mom posted:Them not actually having Goro go to jail for you is stupid I admit but it's weird to call Goro a "murderous piece of poo poo" and then also not care that he's actually acknowledging his fuckups and seeking penance for them. Like should the teenager just go die in a hole? Go kill yourself teenage boy! He doesn't seek penance though, in the original or Royal.
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Nov 4, 2019 17:12
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the brokebrained performative outrage over the fictional teenager is probably emphasized because nothing else in P5 makes its audience feel much of anything
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That's a really unfair reading of him both taking the blame for you, testifying against Shido and his whole encouraging you to end the dream world. Going back to the real world comes at the cost of himself, he doesn't know what will happen, he might be back in jail, he might be back dead on the ship, he doesn't know, but he's ready to face that. Hell, he even returns to his Black Mask design, showing that he's accepted he's not a hero of justice but a criminal. And choosing to go back to the real world evolves Robin Hood, showing some strength of character Again, it's dumb as hell that he doesn't go to jail in all actuality, at least a little bit, but that feels more like Atlus not wanting to give a third semester. e: Oxxidation posted:the brokebrained performative outrage over the fictional teenager is probably emphasized because nothing else in P5 makes its audience feel much of anything Yeah even if they did make you successfully care for Goro (it really feels like the cilantro gene or lactose tolerance if you do), he promptly exits stage left and everyone forgets about him anyway Expect My Mom fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Nov 4, 2019 |
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Expect My Mom posted:Them not actually having Goro go to jail for you is stupid I admit but it's weird to call Goro a "murderous piece of poo poo" and then also not care that he's actually acknowledging his fuckups and seeking penance for them. Like should the teenager just go die in a hole? Go kill yourself teenage boy! The P5 cast didn't have much sympathy for him and rightly so. No matter how tragic a backstory a character has, it doesn't justify them becoming a personal assassin to help those in power with the worst morality gently caress over those around them and especially not those weaker then them.
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Please go back to the scene on the ship where the party, including Futaba and Haru, implore Goro to help them fight Shido by empathizing with him. They don't forgive him, but they understand him and dont want him to die here. The last sentence of your post is definitely true, but you gotta have some caveats for people who are literally fourteen when they start doing that or else it starts to look psycho
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Expect My Mom posted:also "regardless of his circumstances" is just a weird label to put on a fictional child. This might sound sarcastic but the biggest failure of P5's writing is probably the fact that a lot of players can't seem to generate sympathy with Goro despite all of the party members doing it. Yeah the writing in P5 is weird and pretty bad in a lot of places, particularly in regards to Akechi, but I don't feel like it's weird to judge a character based on how they're written and presented in a fictional work, no.  You can argue that Goro is a bad character which is fine, but within the context of the story that is presented to the viewer, I feel the justifications he puts forward to the audience aren't sufficient to justify his actions in the narrative. I don't see why this would offend you.
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I just want Royal to release over here so we can get an accurate statement of what happens, because there's been like five stories of what's going on in regards to Akechi and I'm having trouble remembering what I'm supposed to be outraged about.
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I should really unbookmark this thread because people are real bad about tagging spoilers
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Akechi is now a toaster. Only post transformation does his true social link begin.
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Nov 4, 2019 21:00
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I think it's a fair warning to spoil that Kasumi is barely playable in the game in Royal. A lot of people I know are buying it just for that.
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Oh boy, if you thought the "Is Akechi sympathetic or not?" discourse is bad, I can't wait to see how Takuto's motivations and backstory make people act?
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Joker preview for P5S. I have to say, I'm not very keen on keeping Joker a silent protagonist. Pretty messed up that they're making the hammiest protagonist so far a mute cipher again.
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It is interesting that story-wise it looks like Scramble is going to be a straight up sequel to P5, and not just a spin-off/side-story thing.
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Nov 5, 2019 17:16
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Isn't it it normal for these things to be sequels time-line wise
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Nov 5, 2019 17:19
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q and 4+5 dancing were interquels with memory wiping so they may as well have not existed so, debatable
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Nov 5, 2019 17:33
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Tae posted:I think it's a fair warning to spoil that Kasumi is barely playable in the game in Royal. A lot of people I know are buying it just for that. Man that is incredibly disappointing.
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Nov 5, 2019 17:59
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Supersonic Shine posted:Joker preview for P5S. I have to say, I'm not very keen on keeping Joker a silent protagonist. Pretty messed up that they're making the hammiest protagonist so far a mute cipher again. Is p5S a different type of game? Looks more like a beat 'em up than a JRPG.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:22
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It's a musou (Dynasty Warriors-like).
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It's a beat ‘em up made by the company behind Dynasty Warriors, yeah. Like their other spin-offs, this one's borrowing some stuff from the original franchise.
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There’s only one spoiler I care about from P5R and it’s knowing whether or not you can date Sae.
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SettingSun posted:There’s only one spoiler I care about from P5R and it’s knowing whether or not you can date Sae. You cannot.
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Tae posted:Isn't it it normal for these things to be sequels time-line wise Most of these musou spin off games are designed for pure fanservice, so story and logic is tossed to the wind to get everyone they can think of. This one seems to actually progress the plot of the game and shows no indication of the "and they all forget about it in the end so it never mattered" cop out that things like PQ games did.
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With all the stuff coming out about Royal I think I might play the musou spinoff game rather than R especially if they don't really fix any of the lovely translation strange times
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Nov 5, 2019 21:24
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Has anyone seen if P5R does anything to fix the goddamned Shido boat palace?
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Super No Vacancy posted:q and 4+5 dancing were interquels with memory wiping so they may as well have not existed so, debatable I'm 99% sure DAN was a sequel and so was Arena. DSN and DMN didn't have plots.
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dan and arena were sequels but dsn and dmn did in fact have plots. actually dsn and dmn occur during the plots of 3 and 5 but they are sequels to dan because the velvet room exists outside of time
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I watched a clip of the ending cutscene and they made it a lot worse, presumably to tease the switch game.
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SettingSun posted:There’s only one spoiler I care about from P5R and it’s knowing whether or not you can date Sae. You cannot, instead you can date Lavenza.
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