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Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost
Where the hell are our results?

Edit: finally!

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Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007
Well, Eyeman’s initiative is in the loving lead: https://projects.seattletimes.com/2019/election-results/#KeyRaces

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

Snohomish County doesn’t even have any votes in, and King County has lots more to come. Those estimates don’t even include ballots in the mail from today.

Mef989
Feb 6, 2007





loving Tim Eyeman. I made sure to vote against it. How hosed are State infrastructure projects if this passes?

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007

Solkanar512 posted:

Snohomish County doesn’t even have any votes in, and King County has barely any. Those estimates don’t even include ballots in the mail from today.

Well, that’s at least something to hold on to.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
The one saving grace here is that even if that initiative wins, its an abomination that combines like 6 things and will immediately get challenged in court and probably lose again, just like his last stupid cartabs bullshit.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

silicone thrills posted:

The one saving grace here is that even if that initiative wins, its an abomination that combines like 6 things and will immediately get challenged in court and probably lose again, just like his last stupid cartabs bullshit.

This is what I'm holding out for, these results look like absolute poo poo. gently caress gently caress gently caress

And christ, why in the gently caress is turnout so loving low?! This better turn around in the coming week.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Solkanar512 posted:

Snohomish County doesn’t even have any votes in, and King County has lots more to come. Those estimates don’t even include ballots in the mail from today.

The first batch of Snohomish ballots just posted on the SoS website and I-976 is up 49,156 Yes to 30,555 No.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

The Oldest Man posted:

The first batch of Snohomish ballots just posted on the SoS website and I-976 is up 49,156 Yes to 30,555 No.

Yeah, and it looks like we're not getting any more updates until tomorrow afternoon. gently caress Tim Eyeman.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
Seriously how the gently caress does that con artist keep being able to do this?

He's been in contempt of court for like a year over his campaign's spending and ballot gathering poo poo.

Not to mention just like openly stealing that office chair. If he hadn't been white they'd have jailed him for that poo poo.

inkblottime
Sep 9, 2006

For Lack of a Better Name
https://results.vote.wa.gov/results/current/king/

EDIT: my bad. Thank you.

inkblottime fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Nov 6, 2019

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003


Because it is... in King County.

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


gently caress tim eyman gently caress alex pedersen and gently caress egan orion gently caress

Javid
Oct 21, 2004

:jpmf:
The literal only thing in my county was a $9 per 100k value tax to buy some upgraded tech for emergency services, which passed. Olds on Facebook are extremely mad about this, of course.

inkblottime
Sep 9, 2006

For Lack of a Better Name
It's never a sure thing especially if one part of the state isn't listening the rest of it. I think it's easy to make these things a target but something is wrong and the people of our state have spoken. As much as it disappoints me.

As for Sawant, I always got the impression that she was going a little too hardcore. Like she's not my district so I can't speak for her constituents but obviously the way they voted speaks to how they feel about her. It also kinda bugged me how there appeared to be a lot of funding from outside the city. She represents her district, not her personal ideals.

I guess what I'm saying is, King county is a powerhouse but without the rest of the state, it's just a single county. I can't fault the majority for wanting a change even if I disagree with it. Personally I try to understand opposing view points rather than hate on them. "Try" being the operative word. I'm not always successful. :cheeky:

inkblottime fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Nov 6, 2019

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

gently caress tim eyman gently caress alex pedersen and gently caress egan orion gently caress

gently caress this dumb dystopiam shithole city imo

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

inkblottime posted:

It's never a sure thing especially if one part of the state isn't listening the rest of it. I think it's easy to make these things a target but something is wrong and the people of our state have spoken. As much as it disappoints me.

As for Sawant, I always got the impression that she was going a little too hardcore. Like she's not my district so I can't speak for her constituents but obviously the way they voted speaks to how they feel about her. It also kinda bugged me how there appeared to be a lot of funding from outside the city. She represents her district, not her personal ideals.

I guess what I'm saying is, King county is a powerhouse but without the rest of the state, it's just a single county. I can't fault the majority for wanting a change even if I disagree with it. Personally I try to understand opposing view points rather than hate on them. "Try" being the operative word. I'm not always successful. :cheeky:
Most of Egan Orion's money comes from Amazon, which gets most of their revenue from outside the city.

And democracy is more than one wolf convincing 51% of sheep to vote the wolf slate for the dinner menu.

inkblottime
Sep 9, 2006

For Lack of a Better Name

Thanatosian posted:

Most of Egan Orion's money comes from Amazon, which gets most of their revenue from outside the city.

And democracy is more than one wolf convincing 51% of sheep to vote the wolf slate for the dinner menu.

I was talking about "proportionally". Personally I have to wonder if Egan is that bad. I mean calling people sheep is kind of cheap. I'm sure the people in that district resent being called that.

Look I don't like Amazon's influence any more than the next person but I think if you have an emotional response about the elections, it should probably be toward the 78% who didn't bother voting rather than 22% who actually did.

Voting is a civic duty and if you can't make a choice someone else is going to make it for you.

Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It
Egad!

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost
Why in the gently caress didn't Amazon and Vulcan's money work against 976? Christ I'm pissed about that.

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007
So, what are the odds on 976 getting ruled unconstitutional by the state Supreme Court, and how long will it take?

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Javid posted:

The literal only thing in my county was a $9 per 100k value tax to buy some upgraded tech for emergency services, which passed. Olds on Facebook are extremely mad about this, of course.

Aren't you in Josephine County? Didn't they refuse all tax increases for so long that the Sheriff couldn't keep deputies on for 24Hrs? Do you guys have 24Hr 911 service back yet?

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Nucleic Acids posted:

So, what are the odds on 976 getting ruled unconstitutional by the state Supreme Court, and how long will it take?

I'd say good since it does multiple things again (which is how his initiatives always get struck down), and I've heard some talk that the Kelley blue book directive is prejudicial.

But you never know, and also the legislature well probably cut taxes again voluntarily because something something will of the people.

Teabag Dome Scandal
Mar 19, 2002


inkblottime posted:

It's never a sure thing especially if one part of the state isn't listening the rest of it. I think it's easy to make these things a target but something is wrong and the people of our state have spoken. As much as it disappoints me.

As for Sawant, I always got the impression that she was going a little too hardcore. Like she's not my district so I can't speak for her constituents but obviously the way they voted speaks to how they feel about her. It also kinda bugged me how there appeared to be a lot of funding from outside the city. She represents her district, not her personal ideals.

I guess what I'm saying is, King county is a powerhouse but without the rest of the state, it's just a single county. I can't fault the majority for wanting a change even if I disagree with it. Personally I try to understand opposing view points rather than hate on them. "Try" being the operative word. I'm not always successful. :cheeky:

she had more donors from within her district than he did

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Teabag Dome Scandal posted:

she had more donors from within her district than he did
But TDS, if you ignore the PAC money, he had more *MONEY* from within her district than he did. And since money is speech, clearly his support was stronger.

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:

she had more donors from within her district than he did

And PACs spent 600 times more money on Egan than her.

If only Amazon put more effort into blocking I-976 than fighting city council...

Nebalebadingdong
Jun 30, 2005

i made a video game.
why not give it a try!?
gently caress amazon

inkblottime
Sep 9, 2006

For Lack of a Better Name

Thanatosian posted:

But TDS, if you ignore the PAC money, he had more *MONEY* from within her district than he did. And since money is speech, clearly his support was stronger.

Didn't she have more money, like overall? I'm not defending Orion, since he's not my district but I got the impression Sawant put up quite the fight. Doesn't an incumbent have an advantage in the voting booth? I guess I'm saying Amazon's an easy target but the numbers don't add up if you think she was voted out on money alone.

VVV THIS is very true. It's hard to write in "maybe"s and "possibly"s. VVV

inkblottime fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Nov 6, 2019

Gerund
Sep 12, 2007

He push a man


inkblottime posted:

Didn't she have more money, like overall? I'm not defending Orion, since he's not my district but I got the impression Sawant put up quite the fight. Doesn't an incumbent have an advantage in the voting booth? I guess I'm saying Amazon's an easy target but the numbers don't add up if you think she was voted out on money alone.

I'd highly recommend waiting until at least a few more days of ballot drops come in before reaching for any conclusions. Sawant was initially elected on a further gap from the first day drop.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

inkblottime posted:

Didn't she have more money, like overall? I'm not defending Orion, since he's not my district but I got the impression Sawant put up quite the fight. Doesn't an incumbent have an advantage in the voting booth? I guess I'm saying Amazon's an easy target but the numbers don't add up if you think she was voted out on money alone.
Money will spread a lot of lies, and there were a lot of monied interests that wanted her out.

Sawant is far from perfect, but there were two city council candidates who voted against the head tax repeal; she was one of them. She was the only candidate to vote against the fucktastic dumpster fire that is the city's contract with the pig union, and now three other city council members have figured out that that wasn't such a great loving plan after all. Most of the rest of the city council's problem with her is that she's loving *RIGHT* about so much. MLK Labor should be turning out for her in droves, but they're owned by SPOG and Nicole "Amazon is our friend" Grant, so no luck there.

We're using Amazon as a proxy for several different PACs, here. And Orion doesn't even register on the map without Moms for Seattle, CASE, and People for Seattle, which are all just astroturfing groups.

All of this is to say letting Amazon buy a city council seat for a gay dude who's probably a Trump voter in one of the most progressive districts in the city isn't really a high point for democracy.

Gerund posted:

I'd highly recommend waiting until at least a few more days of ballot drops come in before reaching for any conclusions. Sawant was initially elected on a further gap from the first day drop.

This is also true. I would say she's down but not out. I think Amazon is probably two for six (Pederson and Orion), but it could be just one for six (unfortunately, I don't think there's any way Scott comes back). Lewis' numbers are probably only going to get better, and Morales beat the poo poo out of Solomon. It definitely could be worse, but knocking out Sawant is a really important victory for Amazon (if they managed it).

Ham Equity fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Nov 6, 2019

super nailgun
Jan 1, 2014


Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

gently caress tim eyman gently caress alex pedersen and gently caress egan orion gently caress

Nebalebadingdong posted:

gently caress amazon

:emptyquote:

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

Nucleic Acids posted:

So, what are the odds on 976 getting ruled unconstitutional by the state Supreme Court, and how long will it take?

Basically everything eyman has ever written has been. Guessing it will mean like a 2 year delay on funding for projects though. ugh.

Eggnogium
Jun 1, 2010

Never give an inch! Hnnnghhhhhh!
Pedersen is going to be my rep. Makes me loving shudder with disgust.

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

Eggnogium posted:

Pedersen is going to be my rep. Makes me loving shudder with disgust.

same. i knew the odds were long but it still sucks

inkblottime
Sep 9, 2006

For Lack of a Better Name

Thanatosian posted:

Money will spread a lot of lies, and there were a lot of monied interests that wanted her out.

Sawant is far from perfect, but there were two city council candidates who voted against the head tax repeal; she was one of them. She was the only candidate to vote against the fucktastic dumpster fire that is the city's contract with the pig union, and now three other city council members have figured out that that wasn't such a great loving plan after all. Most of the rest of the city council's problem with her is that she's loving *RIGHT* about so much. MLK Labor should be turning out for her in droves, but they're owned by SPOG and Nicole "Amazon is our friend" Grant, so no luck there.

We're using Amazon as a proxy for several different PACs, here. And Orion doesn't even register on the map without Moms for Seattle, CASE, and People for Seattle, which are all just astroturfing groups.

All of this is to say letting Amazon buy a city council seat for a gay dude who's probably a Trump voter in one of the most progressive districts in the city isn't really a high point for democracy.

So... Seattle is turning into Trump town because a moderate is giving a socialist a run for her money?

Again, I'm not happy that Amazon is trying to influence things but funding doesn't necessarily define the candidate. Actions do define an elected representative and if said representative pisses off enough people, there's going to be repercussions. I'm saying things aren't as conspiracy theory as you think. This was Sawant's race to lose.

As soon as the left goes tribal on each other, the right will move in to fill the void we created by shooting ourselves. Having a Union man isn't so bad. We have one as Governor and I certainly have my issues with him but he is no where near as bad as some other Governors.

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


yes it could always be worse, very novel thanks for the insight

Nebalebadingdong
Jun 30, 2005

i made a video game.
why not give it a try!?
This "glass is half full" to sawant possibly losing to tech giant money is so bizarre and infuriating. it was not "sawant's election to lose", each election has been close

inkblottime
Sep 9, 2006

For Lack of a Better Name

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

yes it could always be worse, very novel thanks for the insight

I'm just saying be smart about it. I think there's a sense of entitlement that comes from the fact we live in a liberal area that somehow we deserve the most liberal person on the roster. It's kinda hard to back that up with over three quarters of registered voters didn't even bother checking a few boxes and sending in the pre-paid mailer. This idea that the sky is falling because the sheep are swayed is a false narrative and overblown. It sucks but Seattle is far from becoming purple, much less red.

I would argue the more active and informed people voted while the one's who have become complacent with the liberal strength of the Northwest just let this election slide right past them.

Teabag Dome Scandal
Mar 19, 2002


inkblottime posted:

I'm just saying be smart about it. I think there's a sense of entitlement that comes from the fact we live in a liberal area that somehow we deserve the most liberal person on the roster. It's kinda hard to back that up with over three quarters of registered voters didn't even bother checking a few boxes and sending in the pre-paid mailer. This idea that the sky is falling because the sheep are swayed is a false narrative and overblown. It sucks but Seattle is far from becoming purple, much less red.

I would argue the more active and informed people voted while the one's who have become complacent with the liberal strength of the Northwest just let this election slide right past them.

the way you talk about this election makes me suspect you're the latter voter and not the former

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inkblottime
Sep 9, 2006

For Lack of a Better Name

Teabag Dome Scandal posted:

the way you talk about this election makes me suspect you're the latter voter and not the former

I absolutely voted. Albeit my vote was mailed in on Monday before 3pm, dropped off at the post office, so it probably won't be counted for a while. I understand how important it is and how apathy can lead to misrepresentation of the people.

Edit: I also believe that our State has a rich mix of ideals and that the left and right could get along if we didn't automatically hate each other.

inkblottime fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Nov 6, 2019

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