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Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Jon Irenicus posted:

hope I'm not too late to join the crew

edit: ah well

content: is there any explanation in other sections that explains why Kim can see the ultrawealthy guy as he really is?

Either the invisibility is an illusion created by Harry's drug-addled mind and Kim can see him normally by not being a huge burnout or Kim is the real La Puta Madre peone and is actually very wealthy from his corruption.

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Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011

Begemot posted:

Either the invisibility is an illusion created by Harry's drug-addled mind and Kim can see him normally by not being a huge burnout or Kim is the real La Puta Madre peone and is actually very wealthy from his corruption.

Or Kim just knows how to put away 15% of his paycheque into savings every month

Mayman10
May 11, 2019

End game spoilers:

I really liked when you were walking around on the island you can have a thought that comes up that mentions the reeds moving or looking strange, I got super hype and figured the phasmid was here. Definitely was not expecting it to be a loving 3 meter tall talking insect

Edit: oh drat the more I think about the more I realize the game had some really subtle hints about the Deserter being a thing. You're constantly shown revolutionary bunkers and poo poo and they're all hidden away and Rene is like the same age if not older, come to think about it it's kinda weird we didn't meet any other old communtards but I guess the Deserter explains that away with the hunts the coalition lead to find them

Mayman10 fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Nov 6, 2019

Cnidaria
Apr 10, 2009

It's all politics, Mike.

Palpek posted:

The tag already got uploaded:

I'll just ring it up for anybody who quotes this post in the next day or so.

It being applied to an account depends on admin reaction time though (or you can buy an av with it added in img tags in the text field if you don't want to wait).

I’m down to be a hobocop if it’s not too late

Dog Pipes
Jan 17, 2015

I've stolen the ID card from the passed out dock worker in the hotel, but I can't open the door at the top of the stairs to speak to the union boss.

What am I doing wrong? I don't want to try and convince machinehead to let me in either.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Palpek posted:

Ok, this is the cutoff point for the gangtags, everything before this post has been sent to admins for processing.

I'm glad so many of you guys wanted one :)

I just wanted to say thank you man. :)

So I talked to Joyce About the pale. Wut? So this world has a connective tissue that is leaking into the real world and threatening to tear it apart? That its suppose to be kind of impossible to travel between the different continent lest you go crazy?

Mayman10
May 11, 2019

Dog Pipes posted:

I've stolen the ID card from the passed out dock worker in the hotel, but I can't open the door at the top of the stairs to speak to the union boss.

What am I doing wrong? I don't want to try and convince machinehead to let me in either.

Have you been through Cunos shack? There's a path through there

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Arrhythmia posted:

Or Kim just knows how to put away 15% of his paycheque into savings every month

Kim says he makes about 5000 reales a year, so even if he put his whole paycheck into savings, it would take him thousands of years to get just one percent of a billion reales, and the light bending guy is a billionaire.

Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011

steinrokkan posted:

Kim says he makes about 5000 reales a year, so even if he put his whole paycheck into savings, it would take him thousands of years to get just one percent of a billion reales, and the light bending guy is a billionaire.

drat, jokes on me for not actually finding the guy

Dog Pipes
Jan 17, 2015

Mayman10 posted:

Have you been through Cunos shack? There's a path through there

No, I failed the check on that a couple of times so now it's locked to me.

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011



This game.

I don't think there is any other game out there that uses modernist/neomodernist technique like Disco Elysium.

[ART COP GLASSES ON]



Volition is my favorite because of how emblematic it is. Oxford defines the word as "the faculty or power of using one's will", and few things are more associated with our actions than our hands: see how the crown can resemble the idea of one? And the crown itself is all about I am the captain of my soul here. The reason why it is a """boring""" skill is that ultimately, it represents will itself: it won't bow to anything it does not want (i.e., you want), particularly against the wills of other individuals and aspects of oneself.



Jean Vicquemaure. Looks a bit dog-ish. Look at his forehead: a permanent crease of concern. But it is easy to miss the most important thing there. Compare with this guy:



Look at the contrasts, the blacks and whites, the square and the circle. Squared halos were a thing in Early Christianity, particularly when it comes to representation of icons. Consider that Jean was your partner: he can't stop giving you poo poo because he can't conceive that his friend, his partner, his ally, is gone - your memory loss is a form of death. His "holiness" to the PC is more obfuscated as such, unlike the very evident of Kim's.



God drat this one just screams neoliberal distress so much hahaha

Check out the sheer loving tension that her face is giving: no genuine smile requires so much effort.



My favorite. There is plenty of shadow play going on here: not even crab man gets as much. The contours of her face are shadowed and her eyes are deep and dark, this is a face that will not tell you things easily. The composed colors are very similar to Harry's, but strangely enough, hers are more faded out than his. Given his situation, what must have gone wrong for that to happen?

[ART COP GLASSES OFF]

Hibbloes
Jun 9, 2007
Yo

dead gay comedy forums posted:





Volition is my favorite because of how emblematic it is. Oxford defines the word as "the faculty or power of using one's will", and few things are more associated with our actions than our hands: see how the crown can resemble the idea of one? And the crown itself is all about I am the captain of my soul here. The reason why it is a """boring""" skill is that ultimately, it represents will itself: it won't bow to anything it does not want (i.e., you want), particularly against the wills of other individuals and aspects of oneself.


Y'know one other thing about Volition, is it is the only one that another skill referred to with another name (the Crownhead). Did anyone notice any of the other skills doing that? I'm gonna exclude Phys Instrument being "Coach" for this though.

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

Rebel Blob posted:

I knew it, I hosed it up. Plus a few portraits that got mangled along the way. So now have this, all jumbled up because of Imgur's renaming. I'm still sorry for anyone on a phone screen.

Also there are alternative portraits for a few characters... and the Cleaning Lady didn't make it. Sorry.

Wall of pics

thanks for this! probably gonna alter one for a new avatar

Skellybones
May 31, 2011




Fun Shoe
All the Dockworker aligned characters have a red-white bicolour background, which could be a mix between their union red and the communard white.

The mercenaries have a kind of vertical shimmering effect on them. Most notable on the helmeted guy but the others have it too.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

God, The Expression is so much worse on a shaved Harry.

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

Night10194 posted:

God, The Expression is so much worse on a shaved Harry.

I feel like I hosed up by shaving and getting rid of The Expression. Just crushed my Harry's soul

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord

Night10194 posted:

God, The Expression is so much worse on a shaved Harry.
It's great.

space uncle
Sep 17, 2006

"I don’t care if Biden beats Trump. I’m not offloading responsibility. If enough people feel similar to me, such as the large population of Muslim people in Dearborn, Michigan. Then he won’t"


dead gay comedy forums posted:

This game.

I don't think there is any other game out there that uses modernist/neomodernist technique like Disco Elysium.

[ART COP GLASSES ON]



Volition is my favorite because of how emblematic it is. Oxford defines the word as "the faculty or power of using one's will", and few things are more associated with our actions than our hands: see how the crown can resemble the idea of one? And the crown itself is all about I am the captain of my soul here. The reason why it is a """boring""" skill is that ultimately, it represents will itself: it won't bow to anything it does not want (i.e., you want), particularly against the wills of other individuals and aspects of oneself.



Jean Vicquemaure. Looks a bit dog-ish. Look at his forehead: a permanent crease of concern. But it is easy to miss the most important thing there. Compare with this guy:



Look at the contrasts, the blacks and whites, the square and the circle. Squared halos were a thing in Early Christianity, particularly when it comes to representation of icons. Consider that Jean was your partner: he can't stop giving you poo poo because he can't conceive that his friend, his partner, his ally, is gone - your memory loss is a form of death. His "holiness" to the PC is more obfuscated as such, unlike the very evident of Kim's.



God drat this one just screams neoliberal distress so much hahaha

Check out the sheer loving tension that her face is giving: no genuine smile requires so much effort.



My favorite. There is plenty of shadow play going on here: not even crab man gets as much. The contours of her face are shadowed and her eyes are deep and dark, this is a face that will not tell you things easily. The composed colors are very similar to Harry's, but strangely enough, hers are more faded out than his. Given his situation, what must have gone wrong for that to happen?

[ART COP GLASSES OFF]

I would read these write ups for every skill and piece of art in the game. Excellent work.

Conceptualization: Legendary (Success)

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

:thunk:



No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004


It's hard to believe a game this good exists

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Skellybones posted:

The mercenaries have a kind of vertical shimmering effect on them. Most notable on the helmeted guy but the others have it too.

Distortions and other techniques in portraits are usually to convey strange/altered mental states, to present the disturbance to the spectator. Since the mercenaries are out for blood and drunk, they transmit that hostility pretty well!

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
熱くなれ夢みた明日を
必ずいつかつかまえる
走り出せ振り向くことなく
&



Jean mentioned in my run that Harry used to be a gym teacher. Does that change if you do things different?

Greaseman
Aug 12, 2007
No. Unless it could change based on spending the whole game walking instead of running, which I'm definitely not going to test.

Skellybones
May 31, 2011




Fun Shoe

dead gay comedy forums posted:

Distortions and other techniques in portraits are usually to convey strange/altered mental states, to present the disturbance to the spectator. Since the mercenaries are out for blood and drunk, they transmit that hostility pretty well!

Yes. Distortion in portraits. I am an art student.

No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004

SardonicTyrant posted:

Jean mentioned in my run that Harry used to be a gym teacher. Does that change if you do things different?

AFAIK no, but given the context right in the middle of the "reacting to how you played" block I feel like you can't rule out it being bugged or the requirements for other options being really obtuse.

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

Skellybones posted:

All the Dockworker aligned characters have a red-white bicolour background, which could be a mix between their union red and the communard white.

Specificlly it's white on top red on the bottom. The archtypical union man Tidus has it unblemished.



Those who may be in the union for selfish reasons or not in line with Union despite being members have the white section discolored





And there's one Union character who flips it and introduces a yellow.



Yellow is also the same as motorics, which is where the Ultra-liberal ideology stems from.

Zikan fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Nov 6, 2019

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

Zikan posted:

Specificlly It's white on top red on the bottom. The archtypical union man Tidus has it unblemished.



Those with who may be in the union for selfish reasons or not in line with Union despite being members have the white section discolored





And there's one Union character who flips it and introduces a yellow.



Yellow is also the same as motorics, which is where the Ultra-liberal ideology stems from.

Yellow also usually represents capitalism in political flags so it makes sense he would have a splash of yellow on his.

Edit: I really like how Measurehead's skin-color is indiscernible.

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Holy poo poo, great loving call with Evrart/Titus!

itry
Aug 23, 2019




Keep it up with the art analysis. Good stuff.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

kidkissinger posted:

Yellow also usually represents capitalism in political flags so it makes sense he would have a splash of yellow on his.

Edit: I really like how Measurehead's skin-color is indiscernible.

Evrart's entire goal is to be the new boss, after all. He talks a big game, maybe believes it, but it's always got the 'but also I should get a big share off the top for making it happen' trickle-down tone to it.

What's interesting is that it ended up that Even though I hate Evrart's whole 'I'm a small price to pay, really, I swear' and his stupid power moves, in the current situation the Union winning the strike is by far the best outcome. It's something that can be built off of, just the Claires are something I see being a problem for making real progress past that point. But better that the Union wins and tries to build from there than the other options, I think.

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

Night10194 posted:

Evrart's entire goal is to be the new boss, after all. He talks a big game, maybe believes it, but it's always got the 'but also I should get a big share off the top for making it happen' trickle-down tone to it.

What's interesting is that it ended up that Even though I hate Evrart's whole 'I'm a small price to pay, really, I swear' and his stupid power moves, in the current situation the Union winning the strike is by far the best outcome. It's something that can be built off of, just the Claires are something I see being a problem for making real progress past that point. But better that the Union wins and tries to build from there than the other options, I think.

It's been said many times, but most people were way better off when unions were still criminally powerful.

Edit: where in the game is it suggested that the white was a Communard color? I just interpreted it as a symbol of general purity.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

kidkissinger posted:

It's been said many times, but most people were way better off when unions were still criminally powerful.

Edit: where in the game is it suggested that the white was a Communard color? I just interpreted it as a symbol of general purity.

The symbol of the old communist regime is a white star. You see it on the flag in the communist's apartment.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

The Claires are also a much more solvable problem than Wild Pines if they become one, because presently they have significantly fewer heavily armed death squads to turn on strike lines.

E: Like 'Corrupt Union Boss' is way more what I'd rather be having to deal with than 'The Entire Crushing Force of International Capital'.

Night10194 fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Nov 6, 2019

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

Red in the white/red bifold represents the union, it's also the union's color in game.

What is the only thing that Evrart truly cares about? The union and it's workers, collective. Not a worker, any individual person, or even an ideology; just the organization.

Rebel Blob
Mar 1, 2008

Extinction for our time

Just a few comments of my own, but I'm no Art Cop.



The overexposure of Bird's Nest Ray. From him, with the right checks, you can tease from him the backstory of being a volunteer radiation cleanup worker after The Revolution's nuclear pile melted down and the effects he is suffering from.



Tommy Le Homme is notable for having the most realistic style of portrait in the game, for a character is who is grounded and comfortable with themselves. Also with the plain white background, along with the Racist Lorry Driver, reflecting driver's liscenses, straight from the horse's mouth.



I literally did not notice Measurehead being in the background of Measurehead's Babe during my playthrough, just afterward when arranging these portraits. Maybe just low perception.

I'd be remiss to not recommend Zaum Studio's media page which has large-res copies of some of the game art as well as concept art. If they released an art book for Disco Elysium I'd snap it up immediately.




Oh, and are you interested in how Pissf****t and gently caress the World wanted to repaint Kim's car? 'Cause there is concept art for that.

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Night10194 posted:

What's interesting is that it ended up that Even though I hate Evrart's whole 'I'm a small price to pay, really, I swear' and his stupid power moves, in the current situation the Union winning the strike is by far the best outcome. It's something that can be built off of, just the Claires are something I see being a problem for making real progress past that point. But better that the Union wins and tries to build from there than the other options, I think.

The thing about the Claires is that they are treading the path of personalism, which ultimately cannot be reconciled in any way to collectivist ideologies, and thus condemn the whole union to an inevitable downfall. Evrart truly does care, but he cares in his way, and the brothers do not accept others who can come up as leaders. Titus might have a temper and be shortsighted, but he is a true socialist to the point that he will put his neck to the line at the standoff because Harry did put his, nevermind that he is a cop. Evrart does not give a gently caress about that, which ties pretty well with the inverted flag and the yellow blemish on the red, a color often associated with corruption in literature (particularly by authors like James Joyce in Dubliners).

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

Oh word the cigarette smoker mentions he's "basically a therapist, without the license" in some random ambient dialogue. and he has a lot of purple worked into his portrait.



I feel dumb for having pursued the "Homosexual Underground" thought, but I was kind of hoping Harry would find a broader sexuality from it. oh well.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

dead gay comedy forums posted:

The thing about the Claires is that they are treading the path of personalism, which ultimately cannot be reconciled in any way to collectivist ideologies, and thus condemn the whole union to an inevitable downfall. Evrart truly does care, but he cares in his way, and the brothers do not accept others who can come up as leaders. Titus might have a temper and be shortsighted, but he is a true socialist to the point that he will put his neck to the line at the standoff because Harry did put his, nevermind that he is a cop. Evrart does not give a gently caress about that, which ties pretty well with the inverted flag and the yellow blemish on the red, a color often associated with corruption in literature (particularly by authors like James Joyce in Dubliners).

Yeah, this is a much better way of putting my unease with Evrart.

What I like about this game, though, is that you still get the sense of there being a right choice, even if every choice is still somehow imperfect. A sense you can still do your best rather than the flaws in any of the choices being treated as disqualifying.

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


I rolled dice on whether to give a gangtag to people who were late for it.

Check Success

Lucky bastards.

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Mayman10
May 11, 2019

Palpek posted:

I rolled dice on whether to give a gangtag to people who were late for it.

Check Success

Lucky bastards.

You seem like someone who has money gangtags, wanna help out a down on his luck cop?

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