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inkblottime posted:Edit: I also believe that our State has a rich mix of ideals and that the left and right could get along if we didn't automatically hate each other. He wants a white ethno-state and thinks energy conservation is for sissies, she values diversity and wants to reduce fossil fuel dependence. They couldn't get along at all. It seemed as if they were doomed to eternal conflict. But what if they could compromise? Sure, it might take a bit of genocide, but the reduction in population would really help Washington meet its aggressive carbon goals. Everyone cheered.
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Nov 6, 2019 22:27
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therobit posted:Aren't you in Josephine County? Didn't they refuse all tax increases for so long that the Sheriff couldn't keep deputies on for 24Hrs? Do you guys have 24Hr 911 service back yet? I'm next door in Jackson county; Yes they did, it's literally where that "maam there is nobody I can send" 911 call came from; yes, they finally actually found a way to fund it that the voters wouldn't reject, which passed in 2016. It's worth noting that the one actual city in JoCo (cave junction functionally doesn't count) during that whole thing had fully funded cops and enough extra money to drop 3 million having a new logo and slogan created for them by a marketing firm or some poo poo. This year, they did just reject a bunch of poo poo though, like "a fully funded fire department" lmao
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Nov 6, 2019 22:41
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inkblottime posted:Edit: I also believe that our State has a rich mix of ideals and that the left and right could get along if we didn't automatically hate each other. You mean right wing like Matt Shea that wants to build a christian army an murder anyone unwilling to convert?
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Nov 6, 2019 23:10
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DevNull posted:You mean right wing like Matt Shea that wants to build a christian army an murder anyone unwilling to convert? The truth is in the middle; we should compromise, and only murder half of the people unwilling to convert.
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Nov 6, 2019 23:15
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a bird needs two wings to fly——a left wing, and a right wing bing bong
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Nov 6, 2019 23:34
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Javid posted:I'm next door in Jackson county; Yes they did, it's literally where that "maam there is nobody I can send" 911 call came from; yes, they finally actually found a way to fund it that the voters wouldn't reject, which passed in 2016. Having briefly visited both Grant's Pass and Cave Junction this year, and having previously lived in Ashland, I get that Cave Junction is small but I would rather live there than GP. GP seems like a town of, by, and for unhappy, dour old church ladies and their racist, sexist husbands. Although I am concerned hearing about a lack of funding for a fire department in an area where the forest burns every year.
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Nov 6, 2019 23:35
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Thanatosian posted:The truth is in the middle; we should compromise, and only murder half of the people unwilling to convert. 
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poo poo’s not looking great at the moment, but I don’t think we’re gonna get final results for several days. There’s still an estimated 130K votes from King County that haven’t been counted yet, and that number could skew higher if their projections are off.
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Nov 6, 2019 23:52
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All of this should be an object lesson in why Seattle, and Washington state at large, are not really all that "liberal", at least from a governmental structure and funding framework perspective. The quintessential Seattle liberal will happily take an Uber to Pride or Folklife while passing by 15 homeless encampments and voting against raising their property taxes by 0.001%.
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Nov 7, 2019 00:16
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quote:Edit: I also believe that our State has a rich mix of ideals and that the left and right could get along if we didn't automatically hate each other. lol fuckin nailed it
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Nov 7, 2019 00:17
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Laterite posted:The quintessential Seattle liberal will happily take an Uber to Pride or Folklife while passing by 15 homeless encampments and voting against raising their property taxes by 0.001%. You forgot the part where, after getting home from said-festivals, they immediately post a detailed alert on Nextdoor about each of those encampments.
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Nov 7, 2019 00:40
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Laterite posted:All of this should be an object lesson in why Seattle, and Washington state at large, are not really all that "liberal", at least from a governmental structure and funding framework perspective. The quintessential Seattle liberal will happily take an Uber to Pride or Folklife while passing by 15 homeless encampments and voting against raising their property taxes by 0.001%. That's kind of what I was talking about. The west-side has blinders on and I think that is a concern. I've become more conservative with age but I think I'm still left of moderate. Maybe I'm out of touch with the new generation of politics but it seems like it's gotten a lot harder to have a conversation about working as a state instead of sides of an issue without being call a traitor to one side. The tax issue is big in this state but the west-side can more easily afford it so the minority on the east-side have to suffer in silence and throw darts when they can. I-976 feels like a bulls-eye for how our state feels about the current taxation methods. This is just my theory.
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Nov 7, 2019 00:42
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If we had even the tiniest of income tax, a lot of these structural issues would go away, but that requires overwriting part of the state constitution, which can only be initiated by referendum, sooo...
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Nov 7, 2019 00:55
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Laterite posted:All of this should be an object lesson in why Seattle, and Washington state at large, are not really all that "liberal", at least from a governmental structure and funding framework perspective. The quintessential Seattle liberal will happily take an Uber to Pride or Folklife while passing by 15 homeless encampments and voting against raising their property taxes by 0.001%. This is exactly what liberalism has always been.
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Nov 7, 2019 01:11
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inkblottime posted:That's kind of what I was talking about. The west-side has blinders on and I think that is a concern. I've become more conservative with age but I think I'm still left of moderate. Maybe I'm out of touch with the new generation of politics but it seems like it's gotten a lot harder to have a conversation about working as a state instead of sides of an issue without being call a traitor to one side. The tax issue is big in this state but the west-side can more easily afford it so the minority on the east-side have to suffer in silence and throw darts when they can. I-976 feels like a bulls-eye for how our state feels about the current taxation methods. This is just my theory. The west does not have blinders on, and the fact that you would say so speaks volumes. If you want to have a conversation dont start with making the people you're unfamilar with an other. RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Nov 7, 2019 |
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Nov 7, 2019 01:25
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Orion doesn't want me to be able to live in seattle, tell me more about how moderate the loving corporate suit is please also lmao at this dumbass poo poo inkblottime posted:That's kind of what I was talking about. The west-side has blinders on and I think that is a concern. I've become more conservative with age but I think I'm still left of moderate. Maybe I'm out of touch with the new generation of politics but it seems like it's gotten a lot harder to have a conversation about working as a state instead of sides of an issue without being call a traitor to one side. The tax issue is big in this state but the west-side can more easily afford it so the minority on the east-side have to suffer in silence and throw darts when they can. I-976 feels like a bulls-eye for how our state feels about the current taxation methods. This is just my theory.
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e: disregard, math was hosed
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Nov 7, 2019 02:43
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As of today’s afternoon update, ballots left to count has increased to 277K in King County. So... more than doubled from where we were last night.
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Nov 7, 2019 03:05
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GodFish posted:Orion doesn't want me to be able to live in seattle, tell me more about how moderate the loving corporate suit is please I actually don't know much about Orion except for his union ties. Tell me how he doesn't want you to live in Seattle. There's no need for hostility because you disagree with my assessment.
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Nov 7, 2019 03:12
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inkblottime posted:I actually don't know much about Orion except for his union ties. Tell me how he doesn't want you to live in Seattle. There's no need for hostility because you disagree with my assessment. General rule of thumb: if a candidate has been endorsed by the chamber of commerce and has received massive monetary support from Amazon, they aren’t looking out for you, they’re looking out for corporate interests.
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Nov 7, 2019 03:33
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inkblottime posted:That's kind of what I was talking about. The west-side has blinders on and I think that is a concern. I've become more conservative with age but I think I'm still left of moderate. Maybe I'm out of touch with the new generation of politics but it seems like it's gotten a lot harder to have a conversation about working as a state instead of sides of an issue without being call a traitor to one side. The tax issue is big in this state but the west-side can more easily afford it so the minority on the east-side have to suffer in silence and throw darts when they can. I-976 feels like a bulls-eye for how our state feels about the current taxation methods. This is just my theory. Ok, boomer
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Nov 7, 2019 03:48
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^^^ I don't know what that means. Wait you think I'm a baby boomer or you think I'm pretending to be a baby boomer? ^^^generic one posted:General rule of thumb: if a candidate has been endorsed by the chamber of commerce and has received massive monetary support from Amazon, they aren’t looking out for you, they’re looking out for corporate interests. So Orion is the beginning of the end for Seattle? I'm just trying to figure out why people are freaking out over how D3 voted. EDIT it's funny, just after I started posting I was thinking, this seems so emotionally charged that people will probably stop tossing bombs at false narratives and take am at me. I didn't realize it would escalate so quickly. 
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Nov 7, 2019 03:51
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If you cant figure out why Amazon, a company that is actively destroying our environment, puts warehouse workers through literal hell (to say nothing of the corporate workers), destroys its supply base due to being able to take a loss on its products to snuff them out, actively refuses to pay taxes, created mass inequality that helped create the homeless crisis in Seattle, throwing millions of dollars at candidates to outseat a socialist is bad, well... I'm not sure how else best to explain it to you.
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Nov 7, 2019 03:56
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inkblottime posted:So Orion is the beginning of the end for Seattle? I'm just trying to figure out why people are freaking out over how D3 voted. It’s a district where people are being forced out through gentrification, and also has the voting demographic that swings more left than anywhere else in the city. Sawant is a much better representation of the existing residents, instead of someone like Orion, who represents the corporate interest of increased gentrification and the consumers who are most interested in doing the gentrification.
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Nov 7, 2019 03:59
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I wasn't born in Seattle but I've been here since the 90's and worked for Amazon before they laid off our entire call center in early 2001. Don't tell me I don't know what poo poo Amazon has done. I've lived through it too. I couldn't afford to live in D3 before the housing bubble so don't tell me some dude who decided to run caused gentrification, it's already here. Amazon isn't helping. Microsoft sure didn't help it. They are not why Orion is winning. And even if he does win, it's not the end of the world for Seattle. Jesus, it survived McGinn, it can survive anything. That's all I'm trying to say. Just because I'm playing the devils advocate doesn't mean I'm your enemy.
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Nov 7, 2019 04:08
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inkblottime posted:I couldn't afford to live in D3 before the housing bubble so don't tell me some dude who decided to run caused gentrification, it's already here. I do not dispute this at all. I tried using a term that might’ve been easy to understand for the person questioning why Orion isn’t good for D3, and in doing so, absolutely understated what’s already happened in Seattle. That’s my bad. Orion would only make things worse, is what I should’ve said.
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Nov 7, 2019 04:15
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generic one posted:I do not dispute this at all. I tried using a term that might’ve been easy to understand for the person questioning why Orion isn’t good for D3, and in doing so, absolutely understated what’s already happened in Seattle. That’s my bad. Sorry got triggered by "you don't know Amazon" bullshit.
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Nov 7, 2019 04:16
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inkblottime posted:I wasn't born in Seattle but I've been here since the 90's and worked for Amazon before they laid off our entire call center in early 2001. Don't tell me I don't know what poo poo Amazon has done. I've lived through it too. I couldn't afford to live in D3 before the housing bubble so don't tell me some dude who decided to run caused gentrification, it's already here. Amazon isn't helping. Microsoft sure didn't help it. They are not why Orion is winning. And even if he does win, it's not the end of the world for Seattle. Jesus, it survived McGinn, it can survive anything. That's all I'm trying to say. Quit wasting our time playing devils advocate.
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inkblottime posted:Just because I'm playing the devils advocate doesn't mean I'm your enemy.
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“Hey guys, I don’t really know what’s going on, what’s happened, or what I’m talking about, but you’re all wrong.” “Wait a minute, why’s everybody getting so hostile?”
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Nov 7, 2019 04:38
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feel like i'm reliving conversations and debates about how "durkan is progressive too!" lol i remember in the primary when she said she wouldn't carry out sweeps
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Nov 7, 2019 04:42
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Solkanar512 posted:Quit wasting our time playing devils advocate. I mean, they’re kinda right. Amazon only accelerated a pre-existing condition. They wouldn’t have found Seattle so favorable for expansion if they didn’t see an opportunity. Same thing can be applied to a lot of major cities. Amazon’s bad, but they’re not the only factor that deserves blame. Edit: Kinda right about Amazon, for clarification. I do not agree with much else that they’ve said. generic one fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Nov 7, 2019 |
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Nov 7, 2019 04:42
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I think people like to look for a target to blame for their misfortune. Amazon's pretty easy. But it ignores the fact that there are other factors at play. And as much as it pains me to admit it, we weathered the recession because of businesses like Amazon. There are pluses and minuses and demonizing the opposition does nothing for rooting out a solution. That being said, nothing would make me more happy than seeing Amazon unionize, so people can fight for good wages and better work conditions. I was involved with one of the first attempts and it failed with heavy arm intimidation and probably led to the call center lay-offs. I just hope someone gets a picture of Jeff's face when/if it ever happens. Look, this is my state too. And I'd like to see smart liberals standing up and making good choices on how to make not only Seattle better, but the state as a whole. Liberals are the majority and so we have no one else to blame but ourselves when there's misfortune here. I am just as emotionally invested in Washington as the next person who lives here. Don't ever doubt that. I guess I was hoping to have more than a one sided discussion.
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inkblottime posted:I am just as emotionally invested in Washington as the next person who lives here. Don't ever doubt that. I guess I was hoping to have more than a one sided discussion.
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Nov 7, 2019 05:08
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therobit posted:Having briefly visited both Grant's Pass and Cave Junction this year, and having previously lived in Ashland, I get that Cave Junction is small but I would rather live there than GP. GP seems like a town of, by, and for unhappy, dour old church ladies and their racist, sexist husbands. You're not incorrect about GP, but CJ is much, much worse. GP has like... stuff to do. CJ has a dairy queen, a meat plant, and a lot of meth trailers. A Lot of the weed sold in Portland is grown around there, though.
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inkblottime posted:I guess I was hoping to have more than a one sided discussion. Then try talking about actual policies or what you propose should be done instead. You're completely fixated on discussing tone, so you're getting nothing but tone back.
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Nov 7, 2019 05:33
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Ink blot is an A-tier troll. That’s some good work. Also; what a lovely election season here in Washington
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Nov 7, 2019 05:41
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Ticallion Stallion posted:Then try talking about actual policies or what you propose should be done instead. You're completely fixated on discussing tone, so you're getting nothing but tone back. It wasn't my intent but I guess now that I see how it is there's really no point. People want an echo chamber, I get it. God have mercy on the 2020 elections.
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Javid posted:You're not incorrect about GP, but CJ is much, much worse. Huh. I thought they had a hippie/artist community going on there. Ah well, I'll cross it off my list of acceptable rural Oregon communities to move to. Edit: not sure if you were down there during the early to mid oughts but holy hell the meth problem in all of rural Oregon was serious back then. Before they started putting psuedo under lock and key there were lots of labs. Then I think we got a couple years where things got a little better before the Mexican ice showed up and upped the game. therobit fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Nov 7, 2019 |
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