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Thranguy posted:Only because Dr. Manhattan left Earth, which was caused by Ozy's cancer scam, part of the plan. If he hadn't murdered most of Dr. Manhattan's associates there would be no crisis; the military would have either smoothed things over with Laurie or found a replacement. There may have been a long term danger, but the immediate crisis was entirely Veidt's fault and he thus can get no credit for averting it. Veidt's plan involved making Manhattan gently caress off to Mars, yes, but that proves that he was right! His first time tricking Manhattan wasn't in Antarctica.. he fooled him with the cancer scare on live TV. That proves he's fallable and able to be tricked, misinformed, or otherwise manipulated. Him being the nuclear safeguard is absolutely insane. And that's before putting into account that Manhattan is increasingly losing touch with humanity. Veidt getting Manhattan off the planet was a good plan. Lorrie bringing him back was not intended, but Veidt had a backup plan with his intrinsic field generator in Antarctica. And when that failed he had an even better backup plan.
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I forget. Why can Manhattan get "tricked" if he can also see "all times at once." Like, he sees his fate and just lets it happen? I'm not even talking about when he gets his particles redistributed toward the end of the comic, I'm talking about the cancer scare and even forgetting to give Laurie oxygen on Mars.
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DaveKap posted:I forget. Why can Manhattan get "tricked" if he can also see "all times at once." Like, he sees his fate and just lets it happen? He can see all times of his own life, but he can't see what he's not looking at.
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DC Murderverse posted:edit: apparently Angela was born in Vietnam? This led me to initially think that the racist term I heard was "Redford Asians" rather than Redfordations
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Lady Galaga posted:This led me to initially think that the racist term I heard was "Redford Asians" rather than Redfordations Hahaha that's awesome
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DC Murderverse posted:i'm really glad that the entire episode was Laurie telling Dr. Manhattan a brick joke and then the episode ended with its own brick joke by throwing the SUV from the end of the last episode at Laurie people gently caress during wars.
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Mike the TV posted:He can see all times of his own life, but he can't see what he's not looking at. He also isn't omnipotent and experiences all of his life at once. There isn't really any past or future to him. So he can't change what has happened or will happen because it's always currently happening to him.
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lurker2006 posted:I think Moore was aware of this plothole, one of the supplementary articles included at the beginning of the issues was focused partly on hand waving it. If I remember correctly it argued that the Russians would never willingly acquiesce to a foreign agent after the betrayal and dehumanization they received at the hands of the nazis, and a mass launch of thousands of ICBMs would be beyond even Manhattan's capability to prevent. If the work itself provides an explanation for why then it isn't a plot hole, it's just plot. DaveKap posted:I forget. Why can Manhattan get "tricked" if he can also see "all times at once." Like, he sees his fate and just lets it happen? Tachyon generators in Ozy's basement, so basically  . They were also why Manhattan was convinced that a nuclear holocaust was inevitably on the horizon, because a nuclear exchange of that magnitude is one of the few.things that could generate enough quantum interference to block his ability to see.Man, even without the giant squid Watchmen had way more comic book superhero bullshit than it's devotees like to pretend it did.
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Martman posted:The blue dots in the sky were Laurie taking out the blue dildo on Earth. It's just that prominent. That's a stretch.
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For the people talking earlier about the show being incomprehensible to viewers who don't know the original story, at this point that's possible, but I know the first two episodes played well. My mom was a fan of Lost and The Leftovers so I recommended the show to her and she really enjoyed it while being a little confused about a couple things. When I was visiting this weekend I watched the film with her, knowing that Laurie was going to make her appearance in this episode. She's still very much into it, and she really like Laurie. But presumably a lot of that is Jean Smart. LesterGroans fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Nov 7, 2019 |
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Skitz posted:That's a stretch. That's what she said.
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LesterGroans posted:For the people talking earlier about the show being incomprehensible to viewers who don't know the original story, at this point that's possible, but I know the first two episodes played well. My mom was a fan of Lost and The Leftovers so I recommended the show to her and she really enjoyed it while being a little confused about a couple things. What did your mom say when you explained the giant squid to her?
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Mike the TV posted:Ozymandias was right. The world was moments away from nuclear Armageddon when his plan went through. At the same time the real world survived the cuban missile crisis. DaveKap posted:I forget. Why can Manhattan get "tricked" if he can also see "all times at once." Like, he sees his fate and just lets it happen? He knows whats going to happen but he still has to experience it. Theres a bit where he goes "in ten minutes you're going to tell me that you've been sleeping with Dreiberg" and then acts surprised when she does, and Lauries like wtf thats ridiculous. It seems that he intellectually experiences the past and future but emotionally still goes through the motions as they happen to him. I would suppose it would be like watching a movie you've seen before, it still affects you to a degree, but you know it wasn't going to happen any other way. massive spider fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Nov 7, 2019 |
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I'm a moron and somehow by the time it got to Giant Blue Dildo I had forgotten that the name of the episode was 'She Was Killed by Space Junk' and now I'm laughing about it.
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Veidt is in the Medium Place because his actions were both terrible and had a positive effect.
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Agent355 posted:I'm a moron and somehow by the time it got to Giant Blue Dildo I had forgotten that the name of the episode was 'She Was Killed by Space Junk' and now I'm laughing about it. "Destroyed" probably would have been too on the nose as a title.
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I was totally expecting the second joke to end with "Then Manhattan snapped his fingers and God went to hell" and was disappointed for a few minutes, but the final punchline we got was better.
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massive spider posted:At the same time the real world survived the cuban missile crisis. I didn't get that he's going through the motions, he says that he's experiencing all time at once. So even as he says "you're going to tell me you're sleeping with Dreiberg?" the moment that she actually tells him, it *is* a surprise to him because he's experiencing that at the same instant that he told her that she was going to tell him. Which doesn't really hold up to any level of scrutiny but it's a cool comic book logic idea.
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After Laurie attached the blue balls to the doctor manhattan massive dongtron, she should have then pumped the dildo like a shotgun
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Bread Set Jettison posted:After Laurie attached the blue balls to the doctor manhattan massive dongtron, she should have then pumped the dildo like a shotgun I was expecting it to light up like a giant neon sign.
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I honestly didn't recognize that it was a dildo until reading the thread the day after I watched it. It looked like a bong to me. I thought she looked like she needed some stress relief and was about to toke up. Maybe that's just me projecting 
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Family Values posted:I honestly didn't recognize that it was a dildo until reading the thread the day after I watched it. It looked like a bong to me. I thought she looked like she needed some stress relief and was about to toke up. Maybe that's just me projecting Very good post username combo
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Killer robot posted:"Destroyed" probably would have been too on the nose as a title. It is only a little death.
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Killer robot posted:"Destroyed" probably would have been too on the nose as a title. And wouldn't be a Devo quote.
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Rocksicles posted:people gently caress during wars. regina king stop stealing blasian valor Comrade Fakename posted:What did your mom say when you explained the giant squid to her? and about 20 minutes in, she said “oh, is the comedian supposed to be her dad?” and i felt like a big dummy for not seeing it coming when i first read the comic way back TenementFunster fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Nov 7, 2019 |
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Space Junk is also a song about a woman dying by getting crushed by a piece of debris falling out of orbit. (A woman named "Sally", e.g., Sally Jupiter but I wouldn't read into it too much) The lyrics to mongoloid that started playing also generally fit with the them of the show.
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TenementFunster posted:she was born in ~79, which is after the war would have ended in that universe, right? probably born to colonists over there 1976, 5 years after the war and 9 years before it became a state, so it would be occupied at the very least.
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Was flipping through the comic today and boy, if you've never just sat down and admired the mirrored composition and theming in Fearful Symmetry, do yourself a favor and fix it. It's just an amazing piece of craft from both Moore and Gibbons; my favorite tiny bit might be Rorschach cracking one of Moloch's eggs being opposite of the reveal of Moloch, shot in the skull
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tin can made man posted:Was flipping through the comic today and boy, if you've never just sat down and admired the mirrored composition and theming in Fearful Symmetry, do yourself a favor and fix it. It's just an amazing piece of craft from both Moore and Gibbons; my favorite tiny bit might be Rorschach cracking one of Moloch's eggs being opposite of the reveal of Moloch, shot in the skull Jon talking to Laurie AND Rorschach simultaneously over 2 pages (where he’s on the exact panel/pose) is mine.
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Argon-40 posted:I like that the Russian dude's costume is just a tracksuit. Fantastic post buried in people bitching about Lost.
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I only just realized why its called Watchmen. Ugh that was so obvious.
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twistedmentat posted:I only just realized why its called Watchmen. Duh Manhattan’s Dad was a watch maker.
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beanieson posted:Duh Manhattan’s Dad was a watch maker. And Ostermann resembled himself like a Watch.
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The biggest improvement the movie makes over the comic is having Big Figure's fat henchmen get his arms buzzsawed off instead of having his throat sliced for no reason.
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tin can made man posted:Was flipping through the comic today and boy, if you've never just sat down and admired the mirrored composition and theming in Fearful Symmetry, do yourself a favor and fix it. It's just an amazing piece of craft from both Moore and Gibbons; my favorite tiny bit might be Rorschach cracking one of Moloch's eggs being opposite of the reveal of Moloch, shot in the skull I just read that chapter last night, it's amazing. For anyone who doesn't have it handy, https://medium.com/@pedrovribeiro/fearful-symmetry-almost-frame-by-frame-9a20c77651bd
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That Target link worked, and my vinyl showed up today.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXpqiv4BoQg This came up in my recommended and its worth a watch for the test footage at 7.00 starring Jorah Mormonts terrible american accent.
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I'm not sure whether the part where Angela shoves the suicide bomber into the chief's grave and blows up the casket is supposed to be funny or not. I'm laughing, though.
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Why bother with "supposed to" - if throwing a dead cops body on a grenade made you laugh then that's all that needs to be
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I don't understand the point of a deadman's switch if it takes 10 seconds to detonate, but apparently that is the right amount of time to roll a dead KKKop onto an IED lol
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