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Mike McCarthy lost out on the Jets job to Adam loving Gase. Dude is done.
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Nov 8, 2019 18:04
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Mike McCarthy lost out on the Jets job to Adam loving Gase. Dude is done. So did Matt Rhule and i'm sure he's going to get an NFL job really soon. Also the Jet ownership is a bunch of loving morons. The fact that they didn't want to hire McCarthy shouldn't be held against him.
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Nov 8, 2019 18:05
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I hate McCarthy, but with McCarthy you can say, "Hey, Aaron Rodgers!" People in sports media, to this day, credit Adam Gase for "bringing back Peyton Manning." Like, I dunno, maybe Peyton was fine and Gase was just there.
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Nov 8, 2019 18:21
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mcmagic posted:So did Matt Rhule and i'm sure he's going to get an NFL job really soon. Also the Jet ownership is a bunch of loving morons. The fact that they didn't want to hire McCarthy shouldn't be held against him. The 2019 Packers should be held against him though.
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Nov 8, 2019 18:26
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LabyaMynora posted:I hate McCarthy, but with McCarthy you can say, "Hey, Aaron Rodgers!" wasn't peyton good immediately upon arriving in Denver like, where is the period during which he was sufficiently bad as to need bringing back
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Nov 8, 2019 18:28
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Better head coach, Gase or McDaniels? Both guys got jobs based on being OC for a HOF QB who could just change the play at will anyway.
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Nov 8, 2019 18:32
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YOLOsubmarine posted:
pundits seem to be of the consensus that Arians came out of retirement for the allure of being the guy to solve the jameis rubik's cube im dubious about this since i doubt bucs management committed to jameis in the long-term when they were interviewing arians
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Nov 8, 2019 18:34
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sean10mm posted:Better head coach, Gase or McDaniels? Both guys got jobs based on being OC for a HOF QB who could just change the play at will anyway. We'll see what McDaniels is like when he gets an HC job again. Rumors are already floating about him to Cleveland again.
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Nov 8, 2019 18:37
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Ches Neckbeard posted:The 2019 Packers should be held against him though. That probably has more to do with them actually spending money on FA
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Nov 8, 2019 18:38
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Ches Neckbeard posted:We'll see what McDaniels is like when he gets an HC job again. Rumors are already floating about him to Cleveland again. Teams are never going to learn about NE assistants, are they....
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Nov 8, 2019 18:40
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sean10mm posted:Better head coach, Gase or McDaniels? Both guys got jobs based on being OC for a HOF QB who could just change the play at will anyway. McDaniels, at this point, is by far the better candidate. This is not high praise.
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Nov 8, 2019 18:44
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kalensc posted:Reading up on some of the 80s candidates, I found my new favorite summary of a failed coach: This just explained a MST3K joke I didn't understand.
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Nov 8, 2019 18:45
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mcdaniels has done more with less than gase, as an OC having to figure out how to get things done with the pats' revolving door at non-brady skill positions whereas the broncos had an elite WR corps during the manning period OxySnake posted:That probably has more to do with them actually spending money on FA they didn't spend anything on Offense, and the offense has improved more than the defense has, going by the past month
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Nov 8, 2019 18:47
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Ches Neckbeard posted:We'll see what McDaniels is like when he gets an HC job again. Rumors are already floating about him to Cleveland again. Real rumors with substance? Or more of the same "Well he's from Canton therefore he must be the next Browns head coach"
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Nov 8, 2019 18:49
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LabyaMynora posted:I hate McCarthy, but with McCarthy you can say, "Hey, Aaron Rodgers!" I think fat mike deserved to get run out of GB, but isn't anywhere lovely enough that he shouldn't get another chance. Like Fat Mike underperformed by not winning more than 1 SB and he does suck for that. But underperforming in the playoffs should be aspirational when we are talking about the Brown and Jets.
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Nov 8, 2019 18:50
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Also starting with a new team might make McCarthy less stale as he has less to fall back on.
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Nov 8, 2019 18:54
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Flikken posted:Real rumors with substance? Or more of the same "Well he's from Canton therefore he must be the next Browns head coach" I saw something a few days ago about it that seemed to have substance. Then again I've been on a ton of painkillers lately so I may have hallucinated it all.
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Nov 8, 2019 18:59
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Without Brady, McDaniels has: Had the '08 Patriots offense which basically took one of the greatest offenses ever and gave it to a street FA caliber QB and over the year turned him into a solid starter. They were 7th/8th in DVOA/points. in Denver over '09-'10, drove off his QB and best receiver and turned Kyle Orton into the ~20th by points offense or late teens ranked by DVOA. (They were 16th with Shanahan and Cutler in '08) Then in 2011 he was the Rams OC as a dying offense completely bottomed out, scoring 12 points a game. (comfortably last in DVOA and points) Then he went back to Brady and had a top offense every year for some reason. The situations outside NE weren't great, but he caused the Denver situation, so not sure how much slack you want to cut him there. I think you can throw out that Rams year, and looking at the Cassel Pats year and 2 years with Orton I think we can say that he has the record that he can scheme up an average offense with a mediocre QB prospect and reasonable surrounding talent, and can obviously put together a great scheme if working with great talent. In Cleveland I'd expect him to either turn Mayfield into an average+ starter and Odell into either a great receiver again or piss him off and drive him off the team. With pretty much zero wiggle room there.
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Nov 8, 2019 19:00
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Kalli posted:Without Brady, McDaniels has: Yeah but he's an insufferable prick who probably can't lead a whole team.
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Nov 8, 2019 19:05
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Hire Mike mularkey cowards
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Nov 8, 2019 19:14
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mcmagic posted:So did Matt Rhule and i'm sure he's going to get an NFL job really soon. Also the Jet ownership is a bunch of loving morons. The fact that they didn't want to hire McCarthy shouldn't be held against him. Matt Rhule also turned down the Jets which is slightly different
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Nov 8, 2019 19:18
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Yeah but he's an insufferable prick who probably can't lead a whole team. True I suppose. Insufferable prick is more of a positive College football head coach trait.
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Nov 8, 2019 19:20
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Kalli posted:Then in 2011 he was the Rams OC as a dying offense completely bottomed out, scoring 12 points a game. (comfortably last in DVOA and points) That was the year the Rams had to panic trade for Brandon Lloyd midseason because Amendola got put in IR after 1 game and their other WRs were Brandon Gibson and Denario Alexander
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Nov 8, 2019 19:21
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mcdaniels' tebow move was one of the dumbest things i've ever seen, but it was also one of the most insane big-balls-having ego trip things i've ever seen, so i have to respect it just the ironclad belief that your own superlative genius can make a superstar out of the QB who literally cannot throw the ball it's the coaching version of when you see a basketball player shoot like 3-for-22 from the field
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Nov 8, 2019 19:22
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Metapod posted:Hire Mike mularkey cowards I'm hoping some team will go in on Marvin Lewis, assuming he isn't just a soulless husk who spends all of his days standing outside a Goodwill, staring into space. Feels like he's earned the chance to work for not-Mike Brown.
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Nov 8, 2019 19:31
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Matt Rhule also turned down the Jets which is slightly different Not really. They couldn't agree on a staff but it sounds like there was heavy interest on both sides.
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Nov 8, 2019 19:35
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Hunt11 posted:Also starting with a new team might make McCarthy less stale as he has less to fall back on. This strikes me as unwarranted optimism. All I know is what that Packers offense looked like the last couple years of his tenure, and it wasn't pretty. You kind of wonder if he wasn't being propped up by Aaron the whole time, not that he's completely incompetent but just that he doesn't really ADD that much.
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Nov 8, 2019 19:41
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Yeah but he's an insufferable prick who probably can't lead a whole team. yeah but when gase is the other option "probably can't" is a big upgrade
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Nov 8, 2019 19:52
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mcmagic posted:Not really. They couldn't agree on a staff but it sounds like there was heavy interest on both sides.
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Nov 8, 2019 20:59
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Metapod posted:Hire Mike mularkey cowards the titans should, yeah
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Nov 8, 2019 21:26
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Probably Magic posted:the titans should, yeah NO SOMEONE ELSE
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Nov 8, 2019 21:39
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Play posted:This strikes me as unwarranted optimism. All I know is what that Packers offense looked like the last couple years of his tenure, and it wasn't pretty. You kind of wonder if he wasn't being propped up by Aaron the whole time, not that he's completely incompetent but just that he doesn't really ADD that much. I think it's at least possible. Andy Reid didn't look so hot during the end of his Eagles stint either. McCarthy is a dumb fat turd but he probably deserves a second chance more than a lot of guys that get them.
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Nov 8, 2019 22:21
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It depends on if Mike realizes where things went wrong. Cleveland wanted to force him to keep Kitchens and I'm guessing the Jets had a similar demand for the same concern that he's just clueless. If he's going to rest on his laurel's then he should root. Watching Jones go off after McCarthys departure feels really telling. I can't speak for Leveon but Chubb is the actual star of three browns offense right now.
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Nov 8, 2019 22:28
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Diva Cupcake posted:Rhule absolutely would have taken the Jets job if they had let him pick his own staff. The word is the Jets (Macc basically) wanted to hire Monken as his OC and Rhule walked over it. Another great decision by probably the worst GM of the last 20 years in the NFL. Trusting a guy to be the CEO of the team but not to pick the coaches he wants but it just echos the decision making of the organization in general that couldn't make a smart decision if the lives of their children depended on it.
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Nov 8, 2019 22:52
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Worst GM of the last twenty years? I don't think so.
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Nov 8, 2019 23:29
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I remember not long before his firing I somewhat defended Mac by saying I thought he was really just a slightly below average GM and not as bad at his job as Bowles was at his. I have no loving clue wtf I was smoking.
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Nov 8, 2019 23:32
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Worst GM of the last twenty years? I don't think so. He's absolutely in the conversation, especially if Darnold continues on his current trajectory. His drafts are jaw dropping.
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Nov 8, 2019 23:36
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Phyein posted:I remember not long before his firing I somewhat defended Mac by saying I thought he was really just a slightly below average GM and not as bad at his job as Bowles was at his. Bowles was just a replacement level bad HC. Mac was one of the worst GMs in NFL history. Thanks Charley Casserly!!!
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Nov 8, 2019 23:37
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fsif posted:He's absolutely in the conversation, especially if Darnold continues on his current trajectory. His drafts are jaw dropping. Just due to sheer length and incompetence, it's going to be incredibly hard to top Matt Millen's reign from 2001-2007. Not that he found anyone in the later rounds either, but holy poo poo look at his picks from the 1st 3 rounds: https://www.pro-football-reference....rder_by=default
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Kalli posted:Just due to sheer length and incompetence, it's going to be incredibly hard to top Matt Millen's reign from 2001-2007. Not that he found anyone in the later rounds either, but holy poo poo look at his picks from the 1st 3 rounds: Millen is the only reason I had to qualify it with "in the conversation".
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