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skasion posted:I just watched the Valerian movie and, lovely as it is, it’s a much better Star Wars movie than TFA, TLJ, Rogue One or Solo Valerian is one of sci-fi's biggest "what could have been" movies IMO. Just a few tweaks and it could have been the next 5th element. Likable actors and relatable characters for one.
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It only needed one likable actor, someone to replace DeHaan. You can’t have two leads in this sort of movie who are bitchy and sarcastic about everything. For Delevingne it works fine and is the most “relatable” aspect of the movie, Laureline obviously doesn’t buy any of this poo poo for DeHaan it just makes him seem pathetic and glib though. Imagine like, Channing Tatum doing his lines instead and the movie magically doubles in quality. The structure of the script still kind of sucks. The main villain spends 75% of the movie unconscious, the protagonists are pretty much incidental to the plot, the ending is just a twenty minute pileup. But it’s visually dazzling and fun to watch which is really the crucial thing. Definitely better than Fifth Element too
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Nov 9, 2019 04:34
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skasion posted:It only needed one likable actor, someone to replace DeHaan. You can’t have two leads in this sort of movie who are bitchy and sarcastic about everything. For Delevingne it works fine and is the most “relatable” aspect of the movie, Laureline obviously doesn’t buy any of this poo poo The main villain was and always has been human greed, which never sleeps.
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Nov 9, 2019 04:38
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An Ounce of Gold posted:I have a bad feeling about this... movie. Literally laughed out loud
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Nov 9, 2019 04:53
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Applewhite posted:The main villain was and always has been human greed, which never sleeps. You got me there
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Nov 9, 2019 04:55
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Applewhite posted:Valerian is one of sci-fi's biggest "what could have been" movies IMO. Just a few tweaks and it could have been the next 5th element. Yeah, it was a daring move to cast an excellent pair of eyebrows nailed to a plank of wood as the female lead, but it didnt work out
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Nov 9, 2019 05:00
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dudeness posted:I thought it was okay but It's no Jupiter Ascending. Space roller blades are woefully under appreciated
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Nov 9, 2019 05:07
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Vim Fuego posted:Yeah, it was a daring move to cast an excellent pair of eyebrows nailed to a plank of wood as the female lead, but it didnt work out Ok, that's unfair. Wood can have character, depth, and warmth to it.
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Nov 9, 2019 05:43
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They should have just used older actors. Child/early teen actors are pretty much universally terrible and the characters felt like they should be much older anyway. That said, the intro is great.
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Nov 9, 2019 05:49
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Applewhite posted:Valerian is one of sci-fi's biggest "what could have been" movies IMO. Just a few tweaks and it could have been the next 5th element. I think if that movie and Passengers had swapped leads both movies would have been vastly improved
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Nov 9, 2019 11:29
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Chrs posted:I think if that movie and Passengers had swapped leads both movies would have been vastly improved The casting in Passengers was fine (IMO). All Passengers needed to be a great film was to have Chris Pratt die from his injuries. Show Jennifer Lawrence hunched over another passenger's cryo tube, contemplating the decision for which she had vilified Pratt. Smash cut to black.
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Nov 9, 2019 11:34
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Vim Fuego posted:Yeah, it was a daring move to cast an excellent pair of eyebrows nailed to a plank of wood as the female lead, but it didnt work out Female leads have to be stripped of all personality so they don't accidentally do something that pisses off SJWs or chuds.
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Nov 9, 2019 16:59
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Shbobdb posted:They should have just used older actors. Child/early teen actors are pretty much universally terrible and the characters felt like they should be much older anyway. "Older actors . . . I can't jerk off to that!" - Luc "Child Bride" Besson.
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Nov 9, 2019 17:05
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Yaldabaoth posted:Female leads have to be stripped of all personality so they don't accidentally do something that pisses off SJWs or chuds. They have so much more in common than they think!
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Nov 9, 2019 18:20
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It's going to be pretty interesting for all those people watching Star Wars marathon see the jarring tone on storytelling changes. I imagine a lot of people getting to the marathons haven't watched a new hope for empire since they were kids themselves. Most of appreciation for Star Wars has come from the last two decades
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Nov 9, 2019 18:58
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Rutibex posted:they should make a prequel Finn movie where we see his life as a storm trooper massacring civilians and high fiving his buddies. captain plasma would be an on/off again love interest Scalping wookie children in one scene and wearing it on top of his helmet, does a wookie gargle impression. FN-2186 laughs so much he pukes inside the helmet. *Wookie scalp sold separately*
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Nov 9, 2019 18:59
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Valerian is a coming of age movie about an idiot teenager and think grown up, cool and relatable/fuckable leads would have improved it somehow. It really is a Star Wars film after all.
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Nov 9, 2019 19:28
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Valerian is a great film until the hour mark when it suddenly stops telling a story to have the characters explain it to you instead.
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Nov 9, 2019 19:31
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Sydin posted:So are they just excising Rose from the story in the new movie like she's a CCCP official who had a falling out with Stalin? I don't see her in any of the promotional poo poo. She and Finn broke up offscreen in one of the novels  https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/drt0pn/finns_and_roses_romance/ lol
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Nov 9, 2019 20:03
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Bedlamdan posted:She and Finn broke up offscreen in one of the novels Time for a porg to make its move.
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Nov 9, 2019 20:40
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Archer666 posted:Time for a porg to make its move. On which one of them?
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Nov 9, 2019 21:39
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Bedlamdan posted:She and Finn broke up offscreen in one of the novels Lmao!!! It's like Disney is so scared of offending an imagined subset of very weird fans, and thus maybe kind of jeopardizing marketing opportunities, so no romance is allowed ever. Not even when two characters kiss in the previous movie and a major part of the OT is the gradual romance between Han and Leia... The worst part of this is Finn and Poe never getting together because they have the most on-screen chemistry of anyone in the sequel trilogy.
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Nov 9, 2019 21:56
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:The worst part of this is Finn and Poe never getting together because they have the most on-screen chemistry of anyone in the sequel trilogy. They spend approx 2 minutes onscreen together, and it overshadows every other character interaction in the entire new OT. JJ/Rian kept trying to make us like or care about Rey, but they don't seem to understand that she's just not likeable. I don't know if it's entirely how she was written or if it's Daisey Ridley herself (have not seen her in anything else) but that ship has sailed. Nobody cares!
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Nov 9, 2019 22:19
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:Lmao!!! It's like Disney is so scared of offending an imagined subset of very weird fans, and thus maybe kind of jeopardizing marketing opportunities, so no romance is allowed ever. Not even when two characters kiss in the previous movie and a major part of the OT is the gradual romance between Han and Leia... Mmm... maybe. It could also just be China. They're hella racist over there.
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Nov 9, 2019 22:37
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I dunno. I like Rey and she has some pretty great moments in TFA, especially her weirdly cute interplay with Han and Chewie... but she does nothing at all in TLJ and it's kind of annoying how she's suddenly the strongest ever by the end of that movie for no reason except I guess she has to save everyone??? Daisy Ridley is pretty cool and she plays the character well physically too. But I feel like Rey was supposed to have an actual plot arc but any of her characterization in TLJ was jettisoned by Disney executives in the name of marketing and selling toys/t-shirts.
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Nov 9, 2019 22:43
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I think that's just bad writing. Also poor prioritization. More development time for the central character? Nah, put in another 20 minutes of casino planet. I mean look at this extended portion of Solo that was cut https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRM5HiHdjYI How the gently caress did that stuff not make it into the movie? It's like an extra two minutes at most but it add so much to the narrative. So glad we got a couple of gag jokes about ROBOT REVOLUTION instead. I just don't think Disney knows what it's doing. Meme Poker Party fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Nov 9, 2019 |
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Nov 9, 2019 22:52
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Its as if all of these stories went from trying to tell a story with characters who want to change/improve the world/galaxy/whathaveyou for the better to maintaining the stayus quo at all costs.
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Chomp8645 posted:I think that's just bad writing. yeah that’s pretty egregious. thanks ron.
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:I dunno. I like Rey and she has some pretty great moments in TFA, especially her weirdly cute interplay with Han and Chewie... but she does nothing at all in TLJ and it's kind of annoying how she's suddenly the strongest ever by the end of that movie for no reason except I guess she has to save everyone??? Daisy Ridley is pretty cool and she plays the character well physically too. But I feel like Rey was supposed to have an actual plot arc but any of her characterization in TLJ was jettisoned by Disney executives in the name of marketing and selling toys/t-shirts. Rey’s arc in TLJ is that she’s tempted by the dark side of the force — something that tends to happen to force users who aren’t highly conditioned against it. Luke went through this in ESB, when he was training with Yoda. Like Luke, she descends into a cavern full of/representing the dark side where she has a frightening vision that reveals her will to her. Luke witnessed his enemy, Darth Vader, on whom he wants to take revenge: he fights and destroys him, but this reveals to him that he is Darth Vader. It’s a great moment, one that both conveys a message to Luke (and us) but also foreshadows the revelation that Vader is a Skywalker to come. Rey doesn’t just have a vision though. Unlike Luke, she strives and fails to have a specific vision. She asks to see her parents, but her parents aren’t revealed to her. She only sees her own image, endlessly reflected. This also conveys a message to Rey — that she’s alone, that she can’t get what she always wanted as a kid — and it also foreshadows the revelation that her parents were worthless nobodies. It’s one of the more successful moments in the movie imo. The thing is, Rey ultimately isn’t seriously tempted by the dark side at all. Unlike Luke, whose choice to go after Vader by himself was really morally perilous to him, even ignoring his foolhardiness in attacking such a powerful opponent, Rey doesn’t want to get her own back. Her only articulated motive in leaving Luke’s training is to redeem Ben. She has no interest in beating or killing him except in service of that goal. She’s not in any psychological, personal danger from Snoke or Kylo, she’s never going to be subverted by them because they can’t offer her anything she wants. She doesn’t have a stake apart from she likes Ben and her clairvoyance has told her that she should save him. Luke is psychologically and physically mutilated in his confrontation with Vader. He’s reduced to a wreck, barely escaping from his battle with his life by calling desperately for his friends to help him. It’s a really bold choice to totally humiliate and defeat your hero, and it’s one that TLJ doesn’t choose to make. Other people lose and many die, but Rey is fine. She’s totally unscathed, her purposes haven’t changed, she didn’t get Ben to join her sure, but she still wants to turn him and if anything she came out ahead, with a better control of her powers. That is to say it just wasn’t a very significant culmination to her plot in the movie. Nothing changed, they just killed Snoke and his guards, big deal.
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I think a big reason Finn and Poe seem to click so well in their limited screentime together despite how cheesy and eyerolling some of their lines are is that, at least at that stage of the movie, they've each got a clearly defined goal that requires them to share a leap of faith together despite having no concrete reason to trust one another, and this is key, it does not feel as though this is a motion they're going through to move the plot along. Their bond feels much realer and more resonant as a result It is also a reason that Rey struggles to resonate, since she is almost always being held at the mercy of plot advancement and rarely gets to do anything or interact with anyone as herself
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what the hell possessed them to make the film's big kiss so one-sided and awkward? they basically had no choice but to kill it offscreen.
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Bedlamdan posted:She and Finn broke up offscreen in one of the novels  that is some horrendously awful writing. It's a shame too because a lot could have been done with the implication that Rey was desperate enough for answers that she was willing to actively embrace the dark side to get them.
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:in the name of marketing and selling toys/t-shirts. There are YT videos showing Rise of Skywalker toys ALREADY being discounted in Target or Walmart. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9__PRZbDpQ
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Saint Drogo posted:what the hell possessed them to make the film's big kiss so one-sided and awkward? they basically had no choice but to kill it offscreen. It was actually Rian being kissed by Rose, and then they CGI'd Finn into the scene. The mo-cap that they used to get Finn's reaction was him kissing Rian as well.
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happyhippy posted:There are YT videos showing Rise of Skywalker toys ALREADY being discounted in Target or Walmart. Of course. Why would anyone give a gently caress about toys for a movie that isn't out for over a month?
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Kids today, and I cannot stress this enough, absolutely do not give a gently caress about Star Wars in the slightest.
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Laterite posted:Kids today, and I cannot stress this enough, absolutely do not give a gently caress about Star Wars in the slightest. Just a couple of years ago, they actually did though (and though they are bad they liked the prequels and the clone wars show), I have a couple of first hand experience from around 2014-2015 when I worked as a substitute teacher and they essentially played Star Wars in exactly the way I remember doing as a kid, lightsaber duels with sticks, pretending to be Darth Vader, Anakin, Obi-Wan, that kind of stuff. And then the new movies started happening. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Nov 10, 2019 |
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Disney got cocky and mismanaged one of the most uniquely popular cultural phenomenon in american history into the ground in less than 10 years
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