[Latin America] Lulag Archipelago

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unwantedplatypus: Sep 6, 2012

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

If Sabine Mengele-Eichman says Morales is a new Hitler then who am I to question that? I'm a good gringo and an ally.

Man if you�re talking about me I just legit didnt know enough about the situation to comment at the time. Evidence now seems pretty clear this is a coup regardless of earlier circumstances

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Plutonis: Mar 25, 2011

https://www.en24.news/news/2019/11/10/bolivia-audios-leaked-from-opposition-leaders-calling-for-a-coup-against-evo-morales.html

quote:

A series of 16 audios in which opposition leaders call for a coup against the newly re-elected president Evo Morales were leaked through various social platforms.

Local media point out that the destabilizing plan would have been coordinated by the United States Embassy in Bolivia prior to the elections and cites US senators Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, who are said to have direct contact with the Bolivian opposition in the strategy to overthrow Morales.

The plan focuses on the fact that if Evo Morales won the elections on October 20, a civil-military transition government would be established. The new government would allege fraud in the electoral process and would not recognize Morales' electoral victory.

In the audios filtered through social platforms opposition leaders call to burn structures of the government party and to put together a general strike throughout the country and to attack the Cuban Embassy in that country.

The publication of the audios arises in the midst of the political crisis following the electoral triumph of Evo Morales, whom the opposition accuses of committing fraud.

Weeks ago in a speech President Evo Morales had referred to alleged coup plans and that his government had the recordings. Neither the opposition nor the United States Embassy has referred to the leakage of the audios.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 14:47

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
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unwantedplatypus posted:

Man if you�re talking about me I just legit didnt know enough about the situation to comment at the time. Evidence now seems pretty clear this is a coup regardless of earlier circumstances

Way to tell on yourself then, 'cuz I'm mostly referring to the D&D doctrine of "respect nationals no matter what."

# ? Nov 11, 2019 15:12

Lawman 0: Aug 17, 2010

Plutonis posted:

https://www.en24.news/news/2019/11/10/bolivia-audios-leaked-from-opposition-leaders-calling-for-a-coup-against-evo-morales.html

*ted cruz voice* time for a little coup a rooney

# ? Nov 11, 2019 15:14

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
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Plutonis posted:

https://www.en24.news/news/2019/11/10/bolivia-audios-leaked-from-opposition-leaders-calling-for-a-coup-against-evo-morales.html

We have to send Cuban-Americans back to Cuba until we can figure out what the Hell is going on.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 15:14

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
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Lawman 0 posted:

*ted cruz voice* time for a little coup a rooney

Ted Coups

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http://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1193759328429232133

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gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1193643612375928832

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joepinetree: Apr 5, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1193643612375928832

The coup in Honduras needs to be discussed more frequently.

First, Zelaya had presided over the greatest reduction in poverty in Honduran history (almost 1/5 of the population lifted out of poverty during his 3 years), and afterwards it became the most dangerous place on earth. It is without a doubt the source of most of these caravans moving north.

Second, it is also likely the moment when Obama decided to go all in in getting Lula out of office. The Brazilian government supported Zelaya and tried to get him back in power, and the Honduran army besieged the Brazilian embassy for months because Zelaya was there. It was after that that the Obama white house started seeing the pink wave as potentially forming a new power block in the region and decided to go all in on the judicial coup.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 15:38

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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Plutonis posted:

https://www.en24.news/news/2019/11/10/bolivia-audios-leaked-from-opposition-leaders-calling-for-a-coup-against-evo-morales.html

this proves nothing

why do you want to deny bolivians the freedom only the military can provide?

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vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

boy that sure was some dictatorship morales was running where he controlled neither the police nor the military and held regular elections and didn't persecute his political opponents, he's basically stalin

# ? Nov 11, 2019 15:47

Frijolero: Jan 24, 2009; by Nyc_Tattoo

Starting to think the Western media and Cruz/Rubio may be up to something when they support the HK protests and Bolivia protests, but say nothing about Chile and Iraq. Ah well, nevertheless.

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comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

that internal inconsistency can be trivially explained by the army getting sick of being the dictator's patsy for so long. enough they said! now is the time for freedom and democracy! following in the footsteps of many great forward thinking latin american military men to prevent a prolonged dictatorship

# ? Nov 11, 2019 15:50

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Ford Motor Company announces special Bolivian edition green Ford Falcon.

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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3: Nov 15, 2003

GreyjoyBastard posted:

i like to think i'm actually pretty educable and appreciate the effort by the dudes in the dnd thread when i ask questions or when things happen i don't ask questions about, i'm just not terribly interested in enduring performative jeers hereabouts so I mostly just lurk and read the occasional actual content

what have you learned

# ? Nov 11, 2019 15:51

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

is the nyt gonna print a hagiography of a bolivian general being politically neutral and wise, loving freedom like they did with pinochet

although i think a general of a military junta taking over is probably too on the nose these days and they're gonna plan to run mock re-elections like in honduras

# ? Nov 11, 2019 15:53

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

comedyblissoption posted:

is the nyt gonna print a hagiography of a bolivian general being politically neutral and wise, loving freedom like they did with pinochet

although i think a general of a military junta taking over is probably too on the nose these days and they're gonna plan to run mock re-elections like in honduras

Similarly,

NYT, 3 July 2013 posted:

The generals built their case for intervention in a carefully orchestrated series of maneuvers, calling their actions an effort at a �national reconciliation� and refusing to call their takeover a coup. At a televised news conference late on Wednesday night, Gen. Abdul-Fattah el-Sisi said that the military had no interest in politics and was ousting Mr. Morsi because he had failed to fulfill �the hope for a national consensus.�

The general stood on a broad stage, flanked by Egypt�s top Muslim and Christian clerics as well as a spectrum of political leaders including Mohamed ElBaradei, the Nobel Prize-winning diplomat and liberal icon, and Galal Morra, a prominent Islamist ultraconservative, or Salafi, all of whom endorsed the takeover.

Despite their protestations, the move plunged the generals back to the center of political power for the second time in less than three years, following their ouster of President Hosni Mubarak in 2011. Their return threatened to cast a long shadow over future efforts to fulfill that revolution�s promise of a credible, civilian democracy. But General Sisi sought to present a very different image from the anonymous, numbered communiqu�s from the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces that were solemnly read over state television to announce Mr. Mubarak�s exit, and the general emphasized that the military had no desire to rule.

�The armed forces was the one to first announce that it is out of politics,� General Sisi said at the start. �It still is, and it will remain away from politics.�

Under a �road map� for a post-Morsi government devised by a meeting of civilian, political and religious leaders, the general said, the Constitution would be suspended, the chief justice of the Supreme Constitutional Court, Adli Mansour, would become acting president, and plans would be expedited for new parliamentary and presidential elections under an interim government.

[...]

Although the tacit control of the generals over Egyptian politics is now unmistakable, General Sisi laid out a more detailed and faster plan for a return to civilian governance than the now-retired generals who deposed Mr. Mubarak did two years ago. General Sisi made no mention of any period of military rule and granted the acting president, Mr. Mansour, the power to issue �constitutional decrees� during the transition.

Mr. Mansour was named to the bench by Mr. Mubarak two decades ago, before Mr. Mubarak sought to pack the court with more overtly political loyalists or anti-Islamists. Mr. Mansour ascended to the post of chief only a few days ago and, while he is said to be highly regarded, not much is known of his views or how much authority he will truly wield.

General Sisi called for the formation of a �technocratic government� to administer affairs during the transition and also of a politically diverse committee of experts to draft constitutional amendments. It was not clear who would form the government or the committee. The general said that the constitutional court would set the rules for the parliamentary and presidential elections, and the court would also �put forward a code of ethics to guarantee freedom of the press and achieve professionalism and credibility� in the news media.

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Frijolero: Jan 24, 2009; by Nyc_Tattoo

Chavez (2002), Aristide (2004), Zelaya (2009), Correa (2010), Dilma (2016), Lula (2018), Ortega (2018), Maduro (2019), Morales (2019)

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joepinetree: Apr 5, 2012

Frijolero posted:

Chavez (2002), Aristide (2004), Zelaya (2009), Correa (2010), Dilma (2016), Lula (2018), Ortega (2018), Maduro (2019), Morales (2019)

Lugo 2012

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pillsburysoldier: Feb 11, 2008; Yo, peep that shit

Kyanka (2021)

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Frijolero: Jan 24, 2009; by Nyc_Tattoo

Guyovich (2019)

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really queer Christmas: Apr 22, 2014

Frijolero posted:

Guyovich (2019)

This one was Bernie getting his feet wet to be president

# ? Nov 11, 2019 16:13

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

the great thing about militaries bringing democracy is militaries some of the most democratic institutions on earth. grunts get to elect their commanders, generals, etc all the time

what better institution to deliver free and pure democracies to nations?

# ? Nov 11, 2019 16:39

Zerg Mans: Oct 19, 2006

Al! posted:

so which us companies were behind this one

lithium battery makers. gently caress you elon!!!

# ? Nov 11, 2019 16:47

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

this coup is the perfect microcosm of liberals immediately and reflexively siding with fascists as long as the fascists provide the thinnest of excuses

actually its worse than that, because the fascists seem to be mostly busy smashing and burning right now instead of making excuses so the liberals are making statements for them and are telling us that something must be wrong with morales or else there wouldnt be all this fascist violence

# ? Nov 11, 2019 17:05

A Gnarlacious Bro: Apr 25, 2007; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Al! posted:

this coup is the perfect microcosm of liberals immediately and reflexively siding with fascists as long as the fascists provide the thinnest of excuses

actually its worse than that, because the fascists seem to be mostly busy smashing and burning right now instead of making excuses so the liberals are making statements for them and are telling us that something must be wrong with morales or else there wouldnt be all this fascist violence

I hope they all die

# ? Nov 11, 2019 17:06

Fast Luck: Feb 2, 1988

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Hey, the "military coup" button worked this time. If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.

Liberals/trots: "The DPRK is so militaristic and weird, what's up with that? And loving corrupt Maduro bribes his generals and gives them a special currency, this isn't real socialism"
Evo Morales: "Hey guys, I'm doing everything the right way, loo--" (gets couped)

# ? Nov 11, 2019 17:07

StashAugustine: Mar 24, 2013; Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CB4xpqNSYpk

# ? Nov 11, 2019 17:08

Fast Luck: Feb 2, 1988

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Chavez gets a lot of poo poo for not being "socialist enough" but politically educating the military and seeding it with Bolivarians was pretty forward thinking.

And those boogeymen "motorcycle gangs" the imperialists are constantly crying about, aka empowered, educated, and local community-based colectivos, who will support the progressive project with force if anyone attempts a violent counterrevolution, are pretty good too

# ? Nov 11, 2019 17:10

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Al! posted:

this coup is the perfect microcosm of liberals immediately and reflexively siding with fascists as long as the fascists provide the thinnest of excuses

actually its worse than that, because the fascists seem to be mostly busy smashing and burning right now instead of making excuses so the liberals are making statements for them and are telling us that something must be wrong with morales or else there wouldnt be all this fascist violence

New York Times, Dec. 5th, 1975: PANEL CLEARS C.I.A. OF A DIRECT ROLE IN '73 CHILE COUP

# ? Nov 11, 2019 17:11

Frijolero: Jan 24, 2009; by Nyc_Tattoo

Fast Luck posted:

Liberals/trots: "The DPRK is so militaristic and weird, what's up with that? And loving corrupt Maduro bribes his generals and gives them a special currency, this isn't real socialism"
Evo Morales: "Hey guys, I'm doing everything the right way, loo--" (gets couped)

# ? Nov 11, 2019 17:12

WampaLord: Jan 14, 2010

THS posted:

you suck pretty bad dude

# ? Nov 11, 2019 17:12

WampaLord: Jan 14, 2010

gradenko_2000 posted:

it truly is amazing how your teachable moments always have you siding with the right

It is weird how that always happens with Greyjoy, yes

# ? Nov 11, 2019 17:14

Frijolero: Jan 24, 2009; by Nyc_Tattoo

Correa and Evo played nice and got hosed

Hmm I wonder why AMLO created a new civic-military branch and called for the resignation of corrupt Supreme Court justices?

# ? Nov 11, 2019 17:15

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Instant Sunrise posted:

New York Times, Dec. 5th, 1975: PANEL CLEARS C.I.A. OF A DIRECT ROLE IN '73 CHILE COUP

New York Times, Sept. 15th, 1973: CHILE JUNTA CITES THREAT BY ALIENS

quote:

SANTIAGO, Chile, Sept. 14� Chile's new military junta said today that the armed forces overthrew the Marxist Government of Dr. Salvador Allende Gossens because more than 10,000 �extremists� from other countries had entered Chile.

The statement, by the Minister of Interior, Gen. Oscar Bonilla, was the junta's first public declaration of its reasons for toppling the Government in a coup d'�tat Tuesday that led to President Allende's death, reportedly by suicide.

General Bonilla said that the armed forces had to �intervene in order to safeguard the destiny of the country, seriously threatened by extremist ele ments.�

The extremists, he went on, included Mexicans, Cubans, Hondurans, Argentines and members of Uruguay's Tupamaro guerrilla movement.

The Government announced earlier that it had begun deporting many extremists from Chile.

Instant Sunrise has issued a correction as of 17:19 on Nov 11, 2019

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Majorian: Jul 1, 2009; Can't post for 2 hours!

Al! posted:

this coup is the perfect microcosm of liberals immediately and reflexively siding with fascists as long as the fascists provide the thinnest of excuses

actually its worse than that, because the fascists seem to be mostly busy smashing and burning right now instead of making excuses so the liberals are making statements for them and are telling us that something must be wrong with morales or else there wouldnt be all this fascist violence

It's also a great example of how effective a scare tactic "AAAAAAH WHAT ABOUT THE TERM LIMITS?!!!" is for fascists. Because murder all the indigenous folks you want, despoil the environment, create massive economic inequality - at least you're not violating term limits.

...oh you are, because you're a right-wing junta? Eh, that's fine, nevermind, you're okay.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 17:18

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Frijolero posted:

Correa and Evo played nice and got hosed

Hmm I wonder why AMLO created a new civic-military branch and called for the resignation of corrupt Supreme Court justices?

thanks, AMLObama

# ? Nov 11, 2019 17:23

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

just a reminder that the only american president to go past 2 terms was such a conduit/lightning rod for populist rage that he liberally administered the largest transfer of bougie wealth to proles in american history and immediately after he died a loving constitutional amendment was passed to restrict term limits but only for the president

# ? Nov 11, 2019 17:38

gh0stpinballa: Mar 5, 2019

belingcat ghoul update: bob evans is still retweeting anti-china posts about hong kong but needs "first person" accounts from anonymous twitter accoubts of the bolivian car crash because the CIA, who he probably works for, did the coup

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comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

the democrats hosed w/ fdr's vice presidential candidate to ensure his successor after he died would be more conservative and amenable to business interests

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