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I don’t think “toxicity” is a useful concept when the normative course of action involves killing thousands of people without pity or remorse
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The wake up call for western leftists will be when the usual crowd of incompetents attempts to do the same thing if Bernie wins. And I only say that because it seems every other article I read is about how "Capitalist To Her Bones" warren is making DNC finance people wake up in a cold sweat, so clearly even One Step Back is unacceptable.
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Nov 12, 2019 14:36
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I think the point is that it's... inappropriate? to try and inject "nuance" about how it's really only social democracy or how Morales should have armed the people or how he Also Did Some Bad Things (like mandate that Congress is gender-balanced, apparently?) at a time like this. It's the same deal as with Venezuela - it doesn't matter if Maduro also did some things you disagree with, you support him or you don't, except Morales's Presidency is even less objectionable.
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Nov 12, 2019 14:45
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people who compare socialist leaders to a theoretical perfect Great Man Lenin who does not bow to pressure and does only Good Things need a materialist backhand imo
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Nov 12, 2019 15:00
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gradenko_2000 posted:I think the point is that it's... inappropriate? to try and inject "nuance" about how it's really only social democracy or how Morales should have armed the people or how he Also Did Some Bad Things (like mandate that Congress is gender-balanced, apparently?) at a time like this. Morales didn't adhere to the protracted people's war and is thus worse than Bolsonaro.
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Nov 12, 2019 15:16
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what's with the gender-balanced congress? i can see how it could lead to negative outcomes, but what actually happened that made people mad?
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GalacticAcid posted:I don’t think “toxicity” is a useful concept when the normative course of action involves killing thousands of people without pity or remorse nazis aren't people hth
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Nov 12, 2019 15:20
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GalacticAcid posted:I don’t think “toxicity” is a useful concept when the normative course of action involves killing thousands of people without pity or remorse it can be of limited use when it is narrowly-defined as pertaining to "the city" and "disorder", but not anything outside of the scope of anything not "between the sacred science and sleep"
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Nov 12, 2019 15:23
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Serf posted:what's with the gender-balanced congress? i can see how it could lead to negative outcomes, but what actually happened that made people mad? idk but probably a more honest lizard-brain version of 'i can see how it could lead to negative outcomes'
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Nov 12, 2019 15:27
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Peanut Butler posted:idk but probably a more honest lizard-brain version of 'i can see how it could lead to negative outcomes' my thought is, what's the breakdown? are we recognizing only the male-female binary, or are nonbinary people going to make up a third of the congress? even then, a breakdown by thirds doesn't work because gender is a spectrum, and you have a wide range of gender identities that would need to be represented
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Nov 12, 2019 15:30
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Mr. Lobe posted:Has Sanders made any political moves towards international reparations of any kind in the past? If not, this seems like an optimistic assumption on top of an optimistic assumption (that he could become prez) I remembered him talking about payments to the Global South in one of the debates, this P3 article has some details: https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2019/08/22/bernie-sanders-raises-the-bar-on-climate-transfers-to-global-south/ not perfect but approximately 66.666x repeating of course better than obama
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Nov 12, 2019 15:43
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Serf posted:my thought is, what's the breakdown? are we recognizing only the male-female binary, or are nonbinary people going to make up a third of the congress? even then, a breakdown by thirds doesn't work because gender is a spectrum, and you have a wide range of gender identities that would need to be represented allow me *pulls up the D&D-looking alignment charts of "twink vs. bear" and "bitch vs. butch"*
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Nov 12, 2019 15:48
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https://twitter.com/eilidhmax/status/1194032451804368898?s=19
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Nov 12, 2019 15:49
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ah, my apologies. the gender-neutral Congress will have to look to charts such as these to affirm full representation
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Nov 12, 2019 15:59
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The Two-Axis Alignment House of Representatives
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i was waiting for this, this owns lmao e: https://twitter.com/AnarchoCynical1/status/1194259310672519170 Truga fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Nov 12, 2019 |
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Nov 12, 2019 16:04
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Serf posted:my thought is, what's the breakdown? are we recognizing only the male-female binary, or are nonbinary people going to make up a third of the congress? even then, a breakdown by thirds doesn't work because gender is a spectrum, and you have a wide range of gender identities that would need to be represented 1/3 of the population is not gender nonbinary. you could reasonably do a 50/50 male/female split and let nonbinary or other gender non-conforming people run as either one (though not both in the same election). this sidesteps the incredibly thorny issue of legally defining who gets to count as such and lets binary trans people run as the gender they identify as rather than as essentially an "other"
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Nov 12, 2019 16:15
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gradenko_2000 posted:The Two-Axis Alignment House of Representatives really what is the chaos - law alignment axis but anarchist - communist by another name?
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Nov 12, 2019 16:22
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Serf posted:my thought is, what's the breakdown? are we recognizing only the male-female binary, or are nonbinary people going to make up a third of the congress? even then, a breakdown by thirds doesn't work because gender is a spectrum, and you have a wide range of gender identities that would need to be represented oh okay sry for assuming worse but, y'know, internet anyway you see how many ppl in your country aren't one of the two name brand genders and that's the percentage of seats they get, bing bong
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Nov 12, 2019 16:26
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Serf posted:really what is the chaos - law alignment axis but anarchist - communist by another name? but how will I be able to tell if the person aside me is a twinkish-bear Georgist or a bearish-twink communalist?
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Peanut Butler posted:oh okay sry for assuming worse but, y'know, internet one more thing for project cybersyn to crunch the numbers on
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Nov 12, 2019 16:29
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Adjectivist Philosophy posted:The real question about Bernie's foreign policy is this: How many years into his presidency will we have to wait until the CIA is intervening on behalf of leftist movements overseas?
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Nov 12, 2019 18:28
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Ah, yes, the good CIA.
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Nov 12, 2019 18:33
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Thoughts like that are why no matter how popular Bernie gets I have zero hope for electoral politics lol
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Nov 12, 2019 18:42
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the best thing a nominally social democratic USA can do foreign policy wise is nothing. never interfere, cut the military by 90%, stop using sanctions and coercion. the united states will always have zero credibility or trust to do anything. any and all intervention needs to occur through the UN, and ideally a reformed security council that’s not based on the assumptions of the immediate post-ww2 era
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Nov 12, 2019 18:46
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gradenko_2000 posted:I was halfway to writing "if Sanders does get to be President and the military junta is in still power in Bolivia there's a reasonable expectation that he do something to right that wrong", but I wasn't really sure what that something would even be, but otherwise I think we're on the same page. Sanders is going to help Bolivia since the CIA is going to spend all it's resources at home overthrowing him, giving other leftists in the rest of the world a chance to breath Truga posted:dios mio *gestures a cross* a live tankie how can you complain about tankies and then advocate preemptive mass killing as a solution to reactionaries. the account you're mocking is wrong and some dumb maoist, but in general the term tankie is applied to socialists who defend the use of violence to protect revolutionary movements and states.
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officially, the US spent 57 billion on intelligence services in 2018 man just zero that sucker out and watch things improve worldwide
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just so we're clear, it would be wrong for a theoretical socialist us government to use assassins to, uh, i started this sentence with a destination in mind but now i can't think of any examples that wouldn't be extremely sketchy to a hypothetical capitalist government agency trawling the internet for suspicious posts but y'all get what i'm asking
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there is zero chance Bernie does that. maybe he'll withdraw some troops from CENTCOM and stop the drone killings. but lol if u think hes gonna close all our overseas bases or stop the CIA or something
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Nov 12, 2019 18:59
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Trump can't even withdraw the US from Syria and his party actually supports him Bernie literally won't be able to withdraw troops from anywhere
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Atrocious Joe posted:how can you complain about tankies and then advocate preemptive mass killing as a solution to reactionaries. the account you're mocking is wrong and some dumb maoist, but in general the term tankie is applied to socialists who defend the use of violence to protect revolutionary movements and states. because there's reactionaries, and there's nazis. if you're saying killing nazis is bad, i have incredibly bad news for you.
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Nov 12, 2019 19:09
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Truga posted:because there's reactionaries, and there's nazis. if you're saying killing nazis is bad, i have incredibly bad news for you. That's some Auntie Anne's-level twisting of his post to get "killing Nazis is bad."
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maybe i misunderstood his post, sorry
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Serf posted:just so we're clear, it would be wrong for a theoretical socialist us government to use assassins to, uh, i started this sentence with a destination in mind but now i can't think of any examples that wouldn't be extremely sketchy to a hypothetical capitalist government agency trawling the internet for suspicious posts my name is Juana el Alabed. My country yearns for socialism, President Sanders, please send F-35s
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Nov 12, 2019 19:22
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Atrocious Joe posted:Trump can't even withdraw the US from Syria and his party actually supports him trump doesn't actually care about withdrawing from syria as long as he thinks he's getting something from having the army there. he 100% thinks the US is getting the oil from the wells our troops are currently guarding in eastern syria
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i bet trump interacting with his generals behind closed doors is just a never ending comedy of misunderstandings
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bernie's cabinet will be the biggest indicator, and also if corbyn and lula are able to retake control of the government in their respective countries at the same time. I honestly have no idea what a bernie cabinet would look like, he's been pretty isolated in the house and senate
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