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Shear Modulus posted:2012 had poor turnout on both sides because nobody liked romney and also obama had broken every promise Suburban Latinos are the worst. Also, Latino immigrants who hold undocumented latinos in contempt for not immigrating "the right way". It's class struggle all the way down.
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Nov 11, 2019 15:00
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man it bugs me when chud safari articles that exclusively concern themselves with landowners cite that study of farmer and farmhand suicides, it's like using statistics that conflate landlords and renters as the same group to demonstrate how hard the landlords have it
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Nov 11, 2019 15:15
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:man it bugs me when chud safari articles that exclusively concern themselves with landowners cite that study of farmer and farmhand suicides, it's like using statistics that conflate landlords and renters as the same group to demonstrate how hard the landlords have it When ever I feel bad for these guys I remember any of these farm owners could have sold their farms and land at the end of Obama's presidency for enough to move to a nice city and gotten a good six figure agriculture consulting job. but they believed in trump, a con man, who bankrupted 6 businesses, and an entire loving city.
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Nov 11, 2019 15:32
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Blister posted:When ever I feel bad for these guys I remember any of these farm owners could have sold their farms and land at the end of Obama's presidency for enough to move to a nice city and gotten a good six figure agriculture consulting job. "He must be very smart to be that rich! You're just jealous!" It's like that wealth=better than sketch from Mr. Show.
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Nov 11, 2019 15:40
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Forceholy posted:Suburban Latinos are the worst. Also, Latino immigrants who hold undocumented latinos in contempt for not immigrating "the right way". i work with one of those, he was born in mexico and still isn't even a citizen yet - he went to college here and was the first person in his family to do so he also thinks abortion should be illegal (because of sluts) and that trump being explicitly christian about stuff is p cool and not at all pandering
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Nov 11, 2019 16:44
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The Republican base doesn't like bloodless personality-free corporate stooges any more than the Democrat base does, it seems like. Trump actually got them fired up. McCain/Palin had tons of (terrible) personality compared to R-Money, and again, they did slightly worse. I think its more like Trump activated a chunk of non-voters, who were previously not part of the R base. The "open racism" single-issue voter.
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Nov 11, 2019 16:58
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yeah bigots really had no home in the Republican party before Trump came along, I said, completely loving moronically
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Nov 11, 2019 17:15
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One More Fat Nerd posted:McCain/Palin had tons of (terrible) personality compared to R-Money, and again, they did slightly worse. Eeeeeh but Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, lib, if he lived today Martin Luther King jr would definitely be a Republican. Checkmate lib, the Republican Party cannot be racist. You'll find it's actually the Dems who are Klan members, lib. TRIGGERED YET LIB? FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS LIB! #MAGA #KAGA #Trump #ComeTakeIt #IAMALMOSTATROOP As posted in an invite only and locked facebook group
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:yeah bigots really had no home in the Republican party before Trump came along, I said, completely loving moronically Bigots have always had a home there, duh. Doesn't mean every bigot lived in that home already. There is absolutely a chunk of white america that the Romney style republicans were not openly racist enough to interest. Folks that either cant hear dog whistles, or don't find them appealing.
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Nov 11, 2019 17:40
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One More Fat Nerd posted:There is absolutely a chunk of white america that the Romney style republicans were not openly racist enough to interest. Folks that either cant hear dog whistles, or don't find them appealing. yup, a healthy mix of racist voters too stupid to get dogwhistles, and today’s modern alt-racists who consider dogwhistling a form of cuckoldry
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Nov 11, 2019 17:59
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Can't underestimate trump's appeal to conspiracy theorists too, who all seem to love him and are likely to avoid participation in the system absent figures like Trump to rally around
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Nov 11, 2019 18:05
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How was McCain's turnout? Thing is Obama buried him with lies of being progressive.
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Nov 11, 2019 18:07
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Pornographic Memory posted:Can't underestimate trump's appeal to conspiracy theorists too, who all seem to love him and are likely to avoid participation in the system absent figures like Trump to rally around Conspiracy theorists are just fascists who are out of power They will rail against secret FEMA camps until they put undocumented kiddies in them, and then suddenly they are fine and ok
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Nov 11, 2019 18:13
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trump was the only candidate talking directly to low income voters. acknowledging that your voters are poor is a third rail for any mainstream dem or republican to the point where their platforms are pretty much 100% identity politics "you're poor because of minorities taking all the resources" is racist and incorrect but it's more compelling than "learn to code" or "lower middle class taxes" for people in actual poverty
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Nov 11, 2019 18:14
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Plank Walker posted:trump was the only candidate talking directly to low income voters. acknowledging that your voters are poor is a third rail for any mainstream dem or republican to the point where their platforms are pretty much 100% identity politics "hey instead of $15/hr minimum wage how about $12"
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Nov 11, 2019 18:18
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etalian posted:also the hot farmer girls in the country music videos are a myth. the reality is much worse (its young girls. half the time in them old cowboy songs its about a under age girl)
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Nov 11, 2019 18:28
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Plank Walker posted:trump was the only candidate talking directly to low income voters. acknowledging that your voters are poor is a third rail for any mainstream dem or republican to the point where their platforms are pretty much 100% identity politics Clinton is/was poo poo and ignored the working class, but Trump supporters trend above median incomes for the areas they live. They're notably much lower educated and older, but not especially poor. Poverty level whites tended to support Cruz in the primary, i think? And for Ghost Leviathan, McCain did less than a million votes worse than Romney. He wasnt buried by Obama being a fake progressive (what?) he was buried by George W being the most unpopular president since we started polling.
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Nov 11, 2019 18:36
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etalian posted:also the hot farmer girls in the country music videos are a myth. thicc brick shithouse farm maidens are hot
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AkumaHokoru posted:the reality is much worse (its young girls. half the time in them old cowboy songs its about a under age girl) Pretty much this. There's plenty of attractive farmer/country girls out there, except their cowboy culture brutalizes them and they think that poo poo is normal.
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Nov 11, 2019 19:03
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Pornographic Memory posted:Can't underestimate trump's appeal to conspiracy theorists too, who all seem to love him and are likely to avoid participation in the system absent figures like Trump to rally around it’s not unique to the right both parties are falling into conspiracy theories now because they have trouble reconciling with the reality of failing capitalism
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Nov 12, 2019 13:16
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Truniht posted:it’s not unique to the right Also the internet makes it super easy to spread the misinformation that conspiracies thrive on, while shutting out any information you don't want to hear.
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Nov 12, 2019 14:56
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Also Epstein was murdered, obviously, and the CIA created the crack epidemic
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Nov 12, 2019 15:33
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I hope we get more poo poo like that dude just dripping that in at the end of his interview
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Nov 12, 2019 15:36
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Also Epstein was murdered, obviously, and the CIA created the crack epidemic The second one isnt really even a conspiracy theory, though i assume it was accidental, since i dont buy the CIA being smart enough to have predicted the effects of drastically increasing the cocaine supply.
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Nov 12, 2019 15:54
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One More Fat Nerd posted:The second one isnt really even a conspiracy theory, though i assume it was accidental, since i dont buy the CIA being smart enough to have predicted the effects of drastically increasing the cocaine supply. The problem is that New York's penal system is so dysfunctional each of the insane details makes sense on its way. Epstein was moved out of suicide watch cuz suicide watch costs money. The hallway cameras were broken because of lack of funds for maintenance. The guards were alseep because a hiring freeze made mandatory OT continuous. It's just all taken together that strains the credulity of Americans who don't pay attention to how bad our incarceration system is.
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Nov 12, 2019 18:34
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One More Fat Nerd posted:The second one isnt really even a conspiracy theory, though i assume it was accidental, since i dont buy the CIA being smart enough to have predicted the effects of drastically increasing the cocaine supply. There's comparable basic factual basis behind the CIA one (the CIA bought coke from the Contras and flew it into the US, destroying black communities was the well-established goal of a lot of contemporary federal efforts) and, say, Russiagate (Russian government proxies have invested in propaganda aimed at sowing chaos in the US, Donald Trump is a clown who loves crime and more or less inexplicably President). Whether you dismiss these basic facts as irrelevant and overblown, extrapolate your way from them into "everyone who annoys me on Twitter is an evil Soviet AI", or triangulate some more or less arbitrary position in between that feels more plausible to you, they remain situations where the there's not going to be a complete chain of documentation clearly establishing every ramification in a useful timeframe, so the conspiracy is always to some extent theory (and will therefore be either the obvious truth or a fascist conspiracy theory depending on your priors). Some are just obviously more true than others: Epstein was murdered and the CIA created the crack epidemic. A Wizard of Goatse has issued a correction as of 19:18 on Nov 12, 2019 |
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Thundercracker posted:The problem is that New York's penal system is so dysfunctional each of the insane details makes sense on its way. Epstein was moved out of suicide watch cuz suicide watch costs money. The hallway cameras were broken because of lack of funds for maintenance. The guards were alseep because a hiring freeze made mandatory OT continuous. the hosed thing is these are valid concerns but the nypd has money when they need to make it appear. they never have budget issues unless there's something they want from the state and the state is taking too long
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Nov 12, 2019 18:52
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libs or chuds don't care about foreign governments intervening in elections at all, they only care if it doesn't align with their team. A lot of the incoherence and rage you see from them stems from this - it makes no sense because coherency or intellectual rigor isn't a requirement of it at all. in many cases they believe explicitly that foreign powers should intervene if the people "voted wrong" and as for the CIA interventions and stuff like COINTELPRO, there's not scant evidence there lol, enough time has passed that a lot has been declassified and federal cops now boast about it in public
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Epic High Five posted:libs or chuds don't care about foreign governments intervening in elections at all, they only care if it doesn't align with their team. A lot of the incoherence and rage you see from them stems from this - it makes no sense because coherency or intellectual rigor isn't a requirement of it at all. remember how that one guy declared to congress that he did iran-contra and he would do it again and then a week later he was coordinating an "aid" shipment to venezuela
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Nov 12, 2019 19:12
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CharlestheHammer posted:only if you don’t try. ime it has to do with democrats / liberals being labeled the big tent party, which then gives bad faith actors the opportunity to try and what-about any nascent liberal group into oblivion, or to "just ask questions" until the group implodes. basically i think a lot of well-meaning groups need to do a better job of setting boundaries. "yes, we're liberals. yes, this group's primary concern is Issue X. yes, Issue Y is also a very important thing and we definitely want to approach solutions for Issue X in a way that doesn't invalidate Issue Y; however, this group's primary concern is Issue X and that's going to be our focus going forward. no, we're not going to waste time justifying our action/inaction about Issue Y against your strawman what-about riddle games."
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Freaking Crumbum posted:ime it has to do with democrats / liberals being labeled the big tent party, which then gives bad faith actors the opportunity to try and what-about any nascent liberal group into oblivion, or to "just ask questions" until the group implodes. and sacrifice a chance to have a certified West Wing moment where the opposition realizes the error of their ways and comes around to your way of thinking?!? every movement is vulnerable to fracture but liberal ones are especially susceptible on account of liberals don't actually believe in anything strongly
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Epic High Five posted:and sacrifice a chance to have a certified West Wing moment where the opposition realizes the error of their ways and comes around to your way of thinking?!? actually, i think the West Wing is fairly reflective of what does go on in the white house. i like it.
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people tend to factionalize over how to handle X, not 'well actually we should be worrying about Y', which would be yes a pretty trivial problem to solve.
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Pornographic Memory posted:Can't underestimate trump's appeal to conspiracy theorists too, who all seem to love him and are likely to avoid participation in the system absent figures like Trump to rally around Well, tbf, it kind of goes along with the whole "everything is fake news" thing along with his improbable "win" when most polls had him losing which, to someone not thinking too much about it and who already thinks there's a "liberal media bias" that's for years been doing exactly what the GOP and Trump are doing, makes a certain amount of idiotic sense. As if watching YT videos instead of actual news makes someone more informed. But a lot of Trumpists see his electoral win as proof positive that "the media" was in the tank for Hillary instead of viewing the laws of probability turning out the way they did. 538 had Clinton at, what, 75 - 80%? Yes it was a shocking upset but the fact that it happened doesn't invalidate polls like they think it does. These same dumb dumbs will watch football, see the same odds and conclude that the games are fixed because they don't know what percentages mean. *buys $200 in scratch off tickets*
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:actually, i think the West Wing is fairly reflective of what does go on in the white house. i like it. I hope by "like it" you mean that or angers up the blood and implants the urge to guillotine lovely liberals. Since that feeling is good and right it's correct to like it.
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Epic High Five posted:and sacrifice a chance to have a certified West Wing moment where the opposition realizes the error of their ways and comes around to your way of thinking?!? I really don't understand where this gut reactionary hatred of the West wing comes from. I've watched a series twice now and none of the poo poo that posters attribute to it happens. Most the time it's about choosing the right action over the popular action, or the importance of throwing political weight around when you can afford to and the ramifications that might have. The situation you're describing generally doesn't exist. Hell, there's even a scene where the Republican presidential candidate is asked to give lip service to Iowa ethanol subsidies, but looks at the script and says "gently caress it" because he knows it's a lie. I mean even the very first episode culminates with Martin Sheen telling a bunch of religious bigots off and using his position to pressure a minister into denouncing Christian extremists. Mr. Merdle has issued a correction as of 02:38 on Nov 13, 2019 |
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Lil Peeler posted:I really don't understand where this gut reactionary hatred of the West wing comes from. I've watched a series twice now and none of the poo poo that posters attribute to it happens. Most the time it's about choosing the right action over the popular action, or the importance of throwing political weight around when you can afford to and the ramifications that might have. The situation you're describing generally doesn't exist. It's because you can't convince someone they're wrong by doing a "by your logic," and because the failure of the Obama administration demonstrated the vacuity of compromise and political capital. It's a wonk fantasy.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:It's because you can't convince someone they're wrong by doing a "by your logic," and because the failure of the Obama administration demonstrated the vacuity of compromise and political capital. It's a wonk fantasy. Yeah and like I said, that doesn't really happen...there aren't a whole lot of moments in the show where people go "ah! I was wrong all along and now I will support you." A prime example of this is when Josh Lyman is trying to get representatives to sign on to a gun control bill, and it's a watered down version of an earlier bill. In one case he uses the pressure of the office to say "vote our way or we'll primary you" and in another instance the rep simply won't vote for the watered down bill no matter how many platitudes and arguments Lyman makes. Neither of these situations have the other side miraculously coming around. Most of the negotiating in the show is done with political favors and it illustrates the value of social and political currency in Washington.
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