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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

GreyjoyBastard posted:

Lithium's not really the biggest deal in even nationalized Bolivian assets

but it's still in the halr billion dollar range, so, I guess

hey dude i have a general question

if you're so educable then how come that every single time something like this happens you leap to the wrong conclusion and only ever get even close to the right one after the rest of us folks who got it right in the first place have dragged you there kicking and screaming every step of the way?

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gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

dammit the new interim presidente is an evil hot mess im both horny and furious

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

GreyjoyBastard posted:

Lithium's not really the biggest deal in even nationalized Bolivian assets

but it's still in the halr billion dollar range, so, I guess

it may not be the biggest right now

but



it has the second-largest reserves in the world (counting both currently economic to extract and not-yet-economic to extract stocks, listed as "resources" on this chart), and it is only going up in value as westerners panic and think they can solve climate change by buying electric cars

lithium is a huge future growth industry for international capital, and a poor country cannot be allowed to decide it would like to develop its lithium reserves as a national industry to enrich the local poor instead of selling it for pennies to vulture capitalists

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

it's not just lithium, Bolivia also has a decent amount of oil/gas. one of morales' first policies was to put a massive tax on extractive industries (something like 85% when it was previously like 15%) and that will probably be one of the first things to go as well

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


eric ciaramella posted:

Canada is trash mate. More worried about mineral rights than indigenous rights. Mining stocks more important than people. Thanks Justin.

https://mobile.twitter.com/cbcalerts/status/1056692366470471682?lang=en

Canada and most of the media supported the coup in venezuela too.

hard to believe the racist duck country would do this

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004

unwantedplatypus posted:

Crazy suggestion here, perhaps the value of that Lithium will increase as the amount of technology reliant on lithium-ion batteries also increases?

lithium price has skyrocketed over the past 5 years but is settling down and declining over the past year. demand is still ramping and its also a big resource contention issue w/ china as theyre the big li-on manufacturer but also competing consumption demand

not that we need a reason, since the us natsec apparatus is just a big coup-hammer at this point and everything is already a nail to us, but its bonus incentive

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Prince Myshkin posted:

I'm sure Russia downgrading their stockpile will make the famously peace-loving and internationalist US do the right thing.

I'm not sure that Russia going from "enough nukes to kill everyone 100 times" to "enough nukes to kill everyone 25 times" creates an opportunity for the US.

I'm not saying this in defense of the US but in defense of the obviously reasonable and laudable decision for Russia to reduce its nuclear arsenal so that it can put the money toward literally anything else. If the money goes toward statues of Pamela Anderson made of cocaine for some oil magnate's boat, that's much, much, much better than nukes

Civilized Fishbot has issued a correction as of 01:37 on Nov 13, 2019

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

the bitcoin of weed posted:

it's not just lithium, Bolivia also has a decent amount of oil/gas. one of morales' first policies was to put a massive tax on extractive industries (something like 85% when it was previously like 15%) and that will probably be one of the first things to go as well

yeah petrochemicals are 3x as big as hypothetical ramped up lithium production

and also nationalized

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


Plus the whole "socialism cannot be allowed to succeed, or else people might want to do it" thing

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

GreyjoyBastard posted:

Lithium's not really the biggest deal in even nationalized Bolivian assets

but it's still in the halr billion dollar range, so, I guess
did you even read the article

quote:

The Morales move on Nov. 4 to cancel the December 2018 agreement with Germany's ACI Systems Alemania (ACISA) came after weeks of protests from residents of the Potosí area. The region has 50% to 70% of the world's lithium reserves in the Salar de Uyuni salt flats.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

TeenageArchipelago posted:

Plus the whole "socialism cannot be allowed to succeed, or else people might want to do it" thing

yeah, in the context of imperialist aggression across the region, this seems more likely as the main motivation. the lithium reserves are an added bonus.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
https://twitter.com/JediofGallifrey...r%3D137%23pti20

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 27 days!)

Why would anyone care about lithium deposits when Asteroid Psyche 12 is floating around in space with mineral deposits worth 70 quadrillion dollars? Makes you think.

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010
when taking the oath of office the new 'interim president' also vowed to 'take all necessary measures to pacify the country' which reads to me like they're more or less just openly owning up to the death squads

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Mister Bates posted:

when taking the oath of office the new 'interim president' also vowed to 'take all necessary measures to pacify the country' which reads to me like they're more or less just openly owning up to the death squads
oh but why would they do that, the people willed bad man Morales to flee, surely they wouldn't kill the very people crucial to the coup's success

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


Pretty racist of y'all to be okay with American death squads, even going so far as to raise them to the ranks of law enforcement, but oppose Bolivian death squads

Wundur why that may be????

STFU you racist prices of poo poo

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Why would anyone care about lithium deposits when Asteroid Psyche 12 is floating around in space with mineral deposits worth 70 quadrillion dollars? Makes you think.

its time for regime change in Asteroid Psyche 12

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Al! posted:

no loving way


Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 27 days!)

gradenko_2000 posted:

its time for regime change in Asteroid Psyche 12

*pushes up glasses neoliberalishly*

it's actually Psyche 16 :smug:

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

https://twitter.com/CNNArgentina/status/1194399284210348033

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

comedyblissoption posted:

Authorities say he had stepped down; Morales said he had been couped

"disputed election"


cia? more like "CLA", central looting agency


i bet its one of the first areas the junta defends too

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

lil Marco says we are all Russian agents
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1194241278546006016?s=20

Good news?
https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1194426463249813504?s=20
https://twitter.com/JebSprague/status/1194434327838281728?s=20

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

Dipshit liberals like greyjoy are just the PR arm for empire. They can mr. bean it up everywhere, throw up their hands, and pretend or try and gaslight you like none of this poo poo is happening

Many people have internalized this idea that withholding an opinion is somehow the most intellectual option through it's "neutrality" (even though in practice that's effectively approving of what's happening).

...except when they don't do that. For some reason people like him suddenly have plenty of moral clarity on a topic like Tulsi Gabbard (or pretty much every other issue that doesn't have the backing of mainstream media and the US government). I don't think this is a conscious decision on their part - I think they're just rubes who have no clue how much they're manipulated by the media ecosystem they get their information from. They generally have just enough intellectual honesty to admit when they're flat-out proven wrong about something, but they will always demand proof (and a sometimes impossible level of it) that the official line on issues like this isn't true and immediately lap up any excuse to believe the mainstream government messaging. If the government and media manage to come up with a convincing line justifying this, or if we get more people like that one guy popping in to talk about how, as people with family in Bolivia (or whatever), they think Morales is bad, you'll likely see them decide that suddenly the truth is nuanced again and maybe this isn't bad or a coup.

RIP Syndrome
Feb 24, 2016


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comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1194402298895749120
https://twitter.com/dcwoodruff/status/1193975987974725632
https://twitter.com/yashalevine/status/1194384024963371008
https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1194118712216838144
https://twitter.com/prostgrad/status/1194222445252747270
https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1194121147320852481
https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1194122159184060416

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013



Holy gently caress they have guts

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
#girlboss

https://twitter.com/SurplusCornbre1/status/1194445898186678274

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010
MAS militants brandishing guns (some of the sorriest-looking guns I've ever seen, but guns all the same) at a rally today. They're making it pretty clear they do not intend to submit without a fight.
https://twitter.com/MejorHernan/status/1194346959466835968

Prince Myshkin
Jun 17, 2018
https://twitter.com/NicolasMaduro/status/1194402718003146753?s=20
https://twitter.com/jguaido/status/1194446810397519872?s=20

I know which one is my president!

Prince Myshkin has issued a correction as of 04:09 on Nov 13, 2019

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

This is wild. I thought they’d all holed up in the Mexican embassy and applied for asylum. I fear for what the goons will do if they try it but I hope they are successful. It’s good to see the people resist.

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010
while this is still a very bad situation it's hard to see the degree of resistance to this takeover as anything other than a defeat for the coup. despite best efforts they are not consolidating power as quickly or as effectively as they were hoping they would. it's been several days and whether or not they even entirely control the government is still very much an open question, and they seem to have been a bit unprepared for the speed at which MAS has been able to get people out onto the streets. I'm sure the coup plotters were definitely not prepared for MAS to set up what is effectively a rival legislature, and wherever they're holding that session I hope it is well hidden and well defended; those lawmakers are risking their lives.

Prince Myshkin
Jun 17, 2018
https://twitter.com/JeanineAnez/status/1194450829157322753?s=20
"President" goes on CNN immediately.

https://twitter.com/WHAAsstSecty/status/1194448854302756864
State Department gives stamp of approval.

Nothing to see here folks! Move along!

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

gh0stpinballa posted:

you don't have to be a full on stalinist to understand why north korea is correct to hang onto those nukes, frankly, at times like this, imo

guiding fojar through the ironclad logic that any nation that wants to ensure sovereignty must, physically or by proxy, have nukes was like eating a sumptuous meal

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

https://twitter.com/butleriano/status/1194404339965550592?s=20

Prince Myshkin
Jun 17, 2018
Seymour Martin Dipshit

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
gravediggers of the evo-lution

Kagaya Homoraisan
Aug 28, 2019

You say, run away
Instead, you get scared
For the way that I feel
Drops out into all this disorder
seymour fartin dipshit

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Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Kagaya Homoraisan posted:

seymour fartin dipshit

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