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Loomer posted:Was your Ghoul's domitor 4th Gen? Nope, Ghouls just start with 5 dots in any combination they want of Celerity/Potence/Fort and any of their Domitor's clan disciplines (other than Thaum and other spellcasting stuff). The tradeoff is, Ghouls can never have more than 5 total dots of disciplines, so if (like me) you start at Dominate 5, you're basically SOL for any other disciplines ever, while vampires can, yknow, spend XP to get more.
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Shrecknet posted:Nope, Ghouls just start with 5 dots in any combination they want of Celerity/Potence/Fort and any of their Domitor's clan disciplines (other than Thaum and other spellcasting stuff). The tradeoff is, Ghouls can never have more than 5 total dots of disciplines, so if (like me) you start at Dominate 5, you're basically SOL for any other disciplines ever, while vampires can, yknow, spend XP to get more. Ghouls can only have one dot in a discipline unless their domitor is below 8th generation, increasing by 1 point for each point below 8th.
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Rand Brittain posted:Isn't the highly-hinted-at official answer "Hardestat the Elder, who Hardestat the Younger secretly is"? Yes. it comes up in "Gehenna: the Final Night" novel which surprisingly holds up, Hardesat has a moment or something where it comes up that he is in fact The Younger and has just been presenting himself as his sire. I want to say it's early in the book, but I'm just about to the end so I don't remember exactly, but I do remember that bit of info.
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Loomer posted:Ghouls can only have one dot in a discipline unless their domitor is below 8th generation, increasing by 1 point for each point below 8th. True as of VtM20th, never seemed to be the case in the early Mind's Eye Theatre and isn't really specified in Revised (which admittedly refers you to the specific ghoul book for more details).
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Loomer posted:So here's a thought. When the Camarilla was first proposed, no one was that keen. It took the diablerie of Hardestadt the Elder the next year to really cause sufficient panic to get people on board. Hardestadt was a powerful, powerful figure and somehow a raw neonate ate him. What happened to the neonate who ate Hardestadt?
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As usual when that sort of thing happens, Hardestadt gets to walk around in a crappier dead meat suit with a face that doesn’t match.
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UrbicaMortis posted:What happened to the neonate who ate Hardestadt? That was Tyler, and she's been roaming around ever since just fine. The whole Hardestadt thing is a mess of retcons, mistakes, and attempts to spin those into a coherent narrative but Tyler is Tyler and, as far as anyone can tell, really did eat Hardestadt just fine.
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Loomer posted:That was Tyler, and she's been roaming around ever since just fine. The whole Hardestadt thing is a mess of retcons, mistakes, and attempts to spin those into a coherent narrative but Tyler is Tyler and, as far as anyone can tell, really did eat Hardestadt just fine. All that matters now is Hardestadt got his dumb face blown off by the cool and good Theo Bell and is dead. gently caress Hardestadt, and the Camarilla right along with him.
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Loomer posted:That was Tyler, and she's been roaming around ever since just fine. The whole Hardestadt thing is a mess of retcons, mistakes, and attempts to spin those into a coherent narrative but Tyler is Tyler and, as far as anyone can tell, really did eat Hardestadt just fine. It actually feels realistic that the story of Hardestadt's diablerie has become more and more convoluted with the passing of centuries when it's just 'Tyler ate him.'
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Dawgstar posted:It actually feels realistic that the story of Hardestadt's diablerie has become more and more convoluted with the passing of centuries when it's just 'Tyler ate him.'
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Calvin Cooledge was a Tzimisce who diablerized his wife and child. All of Vermont is fairly rife with Assaku, actually.
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Well Goons, tonight I take all that I've learned from this thread and my time reading the V5 core and the storyteller guides and begin my first chronicle of Vampire as a storyteller. I'm nervous because I haven't run a game in about a decade and that was 4th Ed D&D, but I'm really excited and my players have some really fun characters I can't wait to see in a action. I'll post a report tomorrow after I have a chance to listen back over the recording for notes and such.
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Gonna be a rough transition to a system as flawed as V5 from something as unimpeachably perfect as D&D 4.
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Nessus posted:Was Tippecanoe involved? Sadly no, but Tyler is the childe of Robin Hood if that helps.
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Dawgstar posted:Sadly no, but Tyler is the childe of Robin Hood if that helps. Diablerie is pretty much the essence of "rob from the rich and give to the poor."
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Everyone posted:Diablerie is pretty much the essence of "rob from the rich and give to the poor." The entire thing is lossy as gently caress! It really does hold together as a goddamn curse from stem to stern, from a certain point of view.
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Nessus posted:Explain the last part Well, the poorer in generation, anyway.
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So aside from downing a whole bottle of red wine by myself last night, our first session of V5 went really well, my players were really into it and I got exactly the reaction I was hoping for when introducing the multi-legged "John Carpenter's the Thing" ripoff monster. Which was "Nooooope nope nope" I'll give a proper write up after I've had a chance to listen back over the audio, which I'm going to clean up, add music and sound effects to and release as a podcast in the near future.
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Where might one find an online game to join? I played a bunch of Vampire back in the early aughts and recently got interested in WW games again and bought all the v20 versions and most of the 2e CoD books.
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I think next tabletop i run everyone starts off as a Mortal writing for a local tabloid who, for Reasons, is well respected amongst local supernatural populations. Maybe the publication is secretly run by a wily Setite, who knows. The gimmick is each game they're sent to report on something supernatural and have to both get a good story while preventing widespread havok from ruining their town. Maybe everyone has a Magic Item that keeps them safe from outright physical violence (unless they strike first) just to keep things from immediately getting bloody off the bat, something that shows the local gribblies that they can hang.
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Yeah man i fuckin loved Kolchak, the Night Stalker too
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Does Captain Planet count as a mummy
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Shrecknet posted:Yeah man i fuckin loved Kolchak, the Night Stalker too for whatever reason i got it in my head that that was actually just a run of the mill cop show so i guess i know what i'm watching next!
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:for whatever reason i got it in my head that that was actually just a run of the mill cop show so i guess i know what i'm watching next! Holds up surprisingly well, I just watched it for the first time about three years ago. Pretty sure the whole thing is on youtube, or, at least, it used to be.
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So, as I close in on the finale of the Project, I thought I'd do a little bit of quick and dirty market research. When I publish the timeline, what would you rather see? A narrative approach, where I tell the stories involved as one cohesive narrative (where possible, and several where it isn't), or a straightforward list of events without any larger narrative threads? The difference between the two is that the first is presented as a conventional history, while the latter is almost a wiki style 'it's 930AD, here's all the things that took place'. The former, obviously, is more work for me but also allows more opportunity to flex my narrative muscles and earn the five bucks I'll put it up for. Let me know. Feel free to distribute it to other WoD friends and such. EDIT: On a side note, as for why not just use the wiki instead? Well, I just did a random pick of 20 years. The wiki has 3 entries that equal the number I have recorded, and 17 that have less information than I've got down. Just like the bloodline files, this is the most comprehensive resource around. Loomer fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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I’m paying regardless, but gently caress yea gimme that narrative telling
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Xinder posted:I’m paying regardless, but gently caress yea gimme that narrative telling 
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Xinder posted:I’m paying regardless, but gently caress yea gimme that narrative telling This
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If you do both and increase your asking price I’ll pay it. Otherwise I’m down for whichever.
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Both are really helpful, but as a research tool for people trying to set up their own games, the strict timeline is generally the more useful, as long as it's annotated. For example, the similar Forgotten Realms product is a strict timeline but tells you when the next and previous events about a particular thing are, so you can follow a line of all the stuff about Waterdeep. Source references (especially now that everyone can just text-search PDFs) are the other missing component to that to make it super useful.
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Offering both if I do write the cohesive narrative is fairly straightforward as the bare timeline one - meticulously cited in AGLC4, to boot (currently to the tune, IIRC, of something like 4500 individual footnotes, many containing multiple references) - is what I’ve been working on already, and it’d be simple to put it up separately from or even packaged alongside an interwoven ‘grand narrative’ style approach (with the same extensive citations, of course). It’ll still exist as the reference document for the narrative style, afterall.
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I don’t ever see myself playing cWoD again, but I would read the narrative version and probably buy a strict timeline too. It’s the thing that it was missing for me as l came into it in about 1998 and the history was just confusing and well out of a high school budget to ever catch up. So I never did. $5 for it seems cheap to me too, especially considering just how much pure information that will be there. I’d easily pay $10-15 for it, because it’s going to be quite the tome and it seems a much more appropriate price for such a thing.
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Loomer posted:Offering both if I do write the cohesive narrative is fairly straightforward as the bare timeline one - meticulously cited in AGLC4, to boot (currently to the tune, IIRC, of something like 4500 individual footnotes, many containing multiple references) - is what I’ve been working on already, and it’d be simple to put it up separately from or even packaged alongside an interwoven ‘grand narrative’ style approach (with the same extensive citations, of course). It’ll still exist as the reference document for the narrative style, afterall. Yeah I'd love to have both. The time line of events would be an excellent reference tool and the narrative bits would definitely make it easier to draw things into a game.
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I have been wanting to play Kindred of the East again lately. What an odd thing to think about in TYOOL 2019.
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If you or a loved one has vocalized interest in kindred of the east, you may be possessed by a spirit of Orientalism and be entitled to financial compensation.
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From this weekend's Mage LARP... "Carrie is the story of a bad Hermetic Awakening. Change my mind."
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Carrie is clearly Verbena.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:I have been wanting to play Kindred of the East again lately. What an odd thing to think about in TYOOL 2019. There are posters in the VTMB thread who still play it.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:I have been wanting to play Kindred of the East again lately. What an odd thing to think about in TYOOL 2019. I'd need to buy the various .pdfs for it, but I kind of want to look at that game again. Maybe it's a false memory, but one thing I recall is that while the Western kindred came off as whiny wannabe Anne Rice characters, the Eastern Kindred came off as "Yeah, maybe they used to be, but these are very much not human beings any more."
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Everyone posted:I'd need to buy the various .pdfs for it, but I kind of want to look at that game again. Maybe it's a false memory, but one thing I recall is that while the Western kindred came off as whiny wannabe Anne Rice characters, the Eastern Kindred came off as "Yeah, maybe they used to be, but these are very much not human beings any more." Unfortunately, that’s not because they were undead, but because they were Asian. KotE is unspeakably racist.
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