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Chris James 2 posted:https://theathletic.com/1381809/201...rts-at-the-top/ Nice humblebrag about riding Belichek's coattails, but this is probably more true than not. Remember how hyped we all were for Freddie like six months ago? Or were we just hyped for his name?
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C-Euro posted:Remember how hyped we all were for Freddie like six months ago? Or were we just hyped for his name? Bob Wylie (the hilariously fat OL coach) said Ken Zampese was actually the guy who made Baker good last year. And hell, I'm willing to believe it at this point despite him being Ken Zampese.
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Grittybeard posted:Bob Wylie (the hilariously fat OL coach) said Ken Zampese was actually the guy who made Baker good last year. And hell, I'm willing to believe it at this point despite him being Ken Zampese. Sounds like head coach material to me!
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Nov 16, 2019 16:21
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Mike Lombardi thinks he won those rings lol.
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C-Euro posted:Nice humblebrag about riding Belichek's coattails, but this is probably more true than not.
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C-Euro posted:Remember how hyped we all were for Freddie like six months ago? Or were we just hyped for his name? For the most part people wanted to believe two things: 1) Baker was smart or at least right with who he wanted to fight to keep around/in charge, and 2) things could only go up from Hue I bought the lies because I wanted things to finally feel competitive from all sides in this division for the first time in ages. Then this happened, the other Ohio team decided to collapse just as quick, and Ben finally turned to dust, all at the same time. Oops
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C-Euro posted:Nice humblebrag about riding Belichek's coattails That's Lombardi's shtick.
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Chris James 2 posted:For the most part people wanted to believe two things: 1) Baker was smart or at least right with who he wanted to fight to keep around/in charge, and 2) things could only go up from Hue
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To be fair, Freddie has more wins in ten games than Hue did in forty, so he’s already a massive improvement. Of course, that means instead of garbage they’re merely bad, but details!
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Nov 16, 2019 22:00
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Lombardi may be a brown-nosing tool but nothing he said was wrong
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When are we getting our next Benne update, or is it still too early in the season to meaningfully evaluate this stuff? Especially after Quinn somehow survived his bye week.
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Benne posted:Lombardi may be a brown-nosing tool but nothing he said was wrong Yeah, it's like Vontaze Burflict calling Goodell an incompetent bitch. He's a bad messenger, but he would know, and is correct.
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Sticking with Kitchens because Baker liked him was always dumb. He was a rookie QB, what the hell does he know? Not loving much, especially when it comes to knowing how to run an NFL team.
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SKULL.GIF posted:When are we getting our next Benne update, or is it still too early in the season to meaningfully evaluate this stuff? Especially after Quinn somehow survived his bye week. Week 13 is best time for a big update. 3/4ths way thru season
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SKULL.GIF posted:When are we getting our next Benne update, or is it still too early in the season to meaningfully evaluate this stuff? Especially after Quinn somehow survived his bye week. I kept putting it off waiting for Quinn to get fired but that's probably not happening until Black Monday, so I'll have a new one out next week.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Sticking with Kitchens because Baker liked him was always dumb. He was a rookie QB, what the hell does he know? Not loving much, especially when it comes to knowing how to run an NFL team. It's impressive in a way, that Haslam repeated the same mistake he made with Manziel, just with the nouns changed out. If Kitchens gets let go, after an 8-8, 9-7 season, do you really think any decent coach would take the dice roll that is Cleveland?
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SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKERS HERE'S A LATE-NIGHT UPDATE BEFORE THE GAMES. I'M SURE MUCH OF THIS WON'T BE INSTANTLY DATED. WEEK 11 RANKINGS COOL Bill Belichick, New England Patriots Sean McDermott, Buffalo Bills John Harbaugh, Baltimore Ravens Mike Tomlin, Pittsburgh Steelers Bill O'Brien, Houston Texans Mike Vrabel, Tennessee Titans Frank Reich, Indianapolis Colts Andy Reid, Kansas City Chiefs Anthony Lynn, Los Angeles Chargers Jon Gruden, Oakland Raiders Doug Pederson, Philadelphia Eagles Mike Zimmer, Minnesota Vikings Matt Patricia, Detroit Lions Sean Payton, New Orleans Saints Ron Rivera, Carolina Panthers Pete Carroll, Seattle Seahawks Kyle Shanahan, San Francisco 49ers Sean McVay, Los Angeles Rams I think Vrabel handled the Mariota situation about as well as he could, pulling the plug at the right time. And while Tannehill is still Tanny As gently caress, he has the Titans at .500 and hanging around the Wild Card picture, so Vrabel isn't nearly as hot as he could've been had he handled it differently. Ross is insistent that Lynn isn't in any danger and I'll take his word for it, but put a pin on the Chargers if they keep losing. Meanwhile, the ol' Gruden Grinder is reminding us that maybe he still knows what he's doing, and while I remain utterly unimpressed with Patricia, the Stafford injury gives him a viable mulligan. FIRST-YEAR COACHES Brian Flores, Miami Dolphins Zac Taylor, Cincinnati Bengals Matt LaFleur, Green Bay Packers Vic Fangio, Denver Broncos Bruce Arians, Tampa Bay Buccaneers Kliff Kingsbury, Arizona Cardinals If Bengals posters can show me literally one thing that Taylor has done well (draft position doesn't count), I'm all ears. Otherwise, he's been a complete nothingburger in an aggressively pointless season even by rebuilding standards. At least Flores has his guys playing hard and even starting to win games. Joe Flacco's Broncos career will probably end up being like that Grandpa Simpson GIF, but I still don't see any obvious signs of danger for Fangio other than John Elway's increasingly senile mind (which is admittedly a strong factor). Kliffy's college career was defined by going 5-7 every year while people keep claiming he's a genius, so I'm happy that he carried that tradition to the pros. MILD Doug Marrone, Jacksonville Jaguars -- Minshew Mania was fun, if a bit overblown. But even when he was playing well, it seemed obvious that the Jags were always going back to Foles and their big-money investment. With the team 4-5 and needing to stack wins in a hurry, we'll find out soon enough if it was the right call. Pat Shurmur, New York Giants -- Putting in Daniel Jones was the right move at the right time, and it seems like people are mostly playing kid gloves with the Giants this year as he goes through his rookie struggles. But the team is still non-competitive most weeks, and John Mara's curt presser last week suggests that not all is well. I'm not ready to rank Shurmur higher than this, and it might still be aggressive for an organization that prides itself on its patience. But a year and a half in, Shurmur has done little to inspire confidence, looking every bit like the Browns castoff who got fired after two seasons for a reason. Matt Nagy, Chicago Bears -- Will a coach get fired just one year after winning Coach of the Year? Probably not, but it's kinda stunning how fast Nagy burned through his goodwill. Mitchell Trubisky already looks like a lost cause, and Nagy has such little trust in his quarterback that the entire offense is broken as a result. They're just playing unwatchable football most weeks, pissing away a Super Bowl-caliber defense in the process. Maybe Nagy turns things around and re-discovers the spark that made him look like a hot up-and-comer not that long ago. Or maybe he'll end up being a one-year wonder. Either way, his Bears tenure is rapidly trending in the wrong direction. MODERATE Adam Gase, New York Jets -- You know your tenure is off to a great start when the owner has to give the Dreaded Vote of Confidence just 10 weeks in. And maybe Gase does make it to 2020, but his first year in New York has been disastrous in the exact same ways we predicted it would be. From alienating his best players for no good reason, to the bizarre PR debacle over Kelechi Osemele's injury, to Sam Darnold's alarming regression, Gase has done almost nothing right. And if the team continues being a shitshow, it wouldn't surprise me if Christopher Johnson goes back on his word. Jason Garrett, Dallas Cowboys -- Yeah, I know. We've been down this road before with Jerry's favorite lap dog. But what makes this year feel different is that Garrett's contract expires after the season, and extension talks have been deathly silent despite the team gladly handing out sacks of cash to their core players over the past few months. As I mentioned in the original OP before the season, coaches hate being stuck on contract years because they don't want to look like lame ducks, yet that's the situation Garrett finds himself in. And it certainly doesn't help that the Cowboys squandered a 3-0 start and are now scrapping with the Eagles over the division lead. If they miss the playoffs, then the stars are perfectly aligned for a face-saving "mutually agreed to part ways," which would be an appropriately limp-dicked way for Garrett to go out. SPICY HOT Freddie Kitchens, Cleveland Browns -- You've seen the Myles Garrett fight a million times and are probably sick of the takes by now. I'm not going to dwell on that, other than point out that once again Kitchens has lost control of the plot. Obviously he's not the one who swung a helmet at Mason Rudolph, but the narrative going in was that his team is undisciplined and he's in over his head, and he's done nothing to change that perception. Even when the Browns win, they still lose, and now they have to rally from 4-6 without their best defensive player for the rest of the year. At this point, Kitchens is Jim Tomsula without any of the meme-worthy charm. He's a man without a plan, and possibly without a job soon enough. Dan Quinn, Atlanta Falcons -- Arthur Blank showed way more restraint than I expected, keeping Quinn through the bye week and even getting a road upset win over their hated rivals. But make no mistake, Quinn is still a dead man walking. I'll be shocked if he doesn't already have his office cleaned out on the night before Black Monday. 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Barring something miraculous this is probably Rivera's last season. Panthers have one of the worst defenses in team history at the moment, a historically bad run defense, and I don't see Ron squeezing enough wins out of this schedule to stave off the inevitable. Things have grown stale. I think Rivera actually makes a lot of sense in Cleveland. Just send him up there to right the ship for a few seasons. It would be the most boring, predictable, uninspiring football you can imagine and a huge waste of a lot of their tools, but you'd get 7-10 wins every year doing it.
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How did Quinn turn into such a train wreck of a coach so fast?
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sean10mm posted:How did Quinn turn into such a train wreck of a coach so fast? Their one good season, the defense was incredibly healthy and they had the best offense in the NFL on the other side of the ball. He's probably never been good.
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sean10mm posted:How did Quinn turn into such a train wreck of a coach so fast? Sometimes a coach is just along for the ride to cost his team a Super Bowl.
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Just look at how the offense dropped off the next year with the only change really being Shanahan was gone and Sark was in. It was night and day, even with almost entirely the same players. Subsequent years the offense has lost talent due to free agency and injuries. The defense has been shredded by injuries at times, and in general hasn’t ever played at the same level as the Super Bowl year.
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FizFashizzle posted:Barring something miraculous this is probably Rivera's last season. You don't think Cam going down buys him any goodwill?
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Probably Magic posted:You don't think Cam going down buys him any goodwill? I don't know how much of a difference Cam would've made for this season.
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sean10mm posted:How did Quinn turn into such a train wreck of a coach so fast? He was a product of Kyle Shanahan calling the offense and coaxing Ryan's best season by miles. I know Shanahan gets a lot of grief for his playcalling in that SB (deservedly so), but the Falcons had a REALLY lovely, junky defense that year propped up by an unsustainable performance by a mediocre one dimensional pass rusher. Nobody the Falcons' have had running the offense since has been remotely as good and as noted above, they've lost talent and haven't really replenished it well since the SB season. Quinn always sucked, basically.
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Probably Magic posted:You don't think Cam going down buys him any goodwill? No. There's no point to keep Ron around now. Cam is likely gone. The defense is garbage. Why keep Ron around to oversee the next phase? They're looking at a pretty big retooling.
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I would say that a playoff berth would probably save Ron, but I don't think that's realistic when I look at the NFC playoff picture. Would have to agree that it's about time to more on from the Rivera era.
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I'd probably put Patricia at Mild even with the Stafford injury (which might now last until the end of the season) giving him a clear mulligan. His supposed specialty, the defense, has been plain bad ever since he showed up, and he tried and failed to play some sort of Belichekian 4D chess with keeping Stafford's back injury under wraps until the last possible moment. There's also the fate of GM Bob Quinn to consider, who hasn't done much of anything in the four years he's been here. If Martha Ford gets fed up and boots Quinn after this season, Patricia gets at best a lame duck 2020 season. E: https://twitter.com/TJLang70/status/1196166321354018818 C-Euro fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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Is it better or worse for Dan Quinn if his team improves dramatically after he gives up on coaching the one thing he's supposed to be good at?
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Lynn has had two winning seasons and this year they've lost a bunch of close games and had more injuries than normal. If this continues next year then yeah, his seat will start getting hot
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a neat cape posted:Lynn has had two winning seasons and this year they've lost a bunch of close games and had more injuries than normal. Yes. There's absolutely no chance Lynn even has a hot seat right now because A) he's been legitimately good with what he's had in LA, and B): even if he wasn't, the Spanos family doesn't pay out to fired coaches with multiple years left on their deal. The last time they did that was probably Marty, though I don't recall his contract situation right now. If the Chargers got rid of anybody else, it'd probably be Gus. I wouldn't be in favor, personally, but that'd probably be where they'd be heading if it were the case. And I don't think it is.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Is it better or worse for Dan Quinn if his team improves dramatically after he gives up on coaching the one thing he's supposed to be good at? When he was DC at Seattle when they had that amazing secondary, apparently he wasnt calling defensive plays so yeah he's not very good.
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seiferguy posted:When he was DC at Seattle when they had that amazing secondary, apparently he wasnt calling defensive plays so yeah he's not very good. In the 1.5 games since Quinn gave up playcalling they have 9 sacks. They had 7 in their first 8 games in total when Quinn was coaching the defense. Including a 5 game stretch with none.
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FizFashizzle posted:No. After that half, I see your point.
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Yeah so I was way too kind to Ron
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YOLOsubmarine posted:In the 1.5 games since Quinn gave up playcalling they have 9 sacks. They had 7 in their first 8 games in total when Quinn was coaching the defense. Including a 5 game stretch with none. https://twitter.com/billbarnwell/status/1196149359743815682
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C-Euro posted:There's also the fate of GM Bob Quinn to think about, who hasn't done much of anything in the four years he's been here. If Martha Ford gets fed up and boots Quinn after this season, Patricia gets at best a lame duck 2020 season. I agree with Patricia at Mild, mostly because I think Quinn's seat is getting pretty warm right now. After forcing Quinn to keep Caldwell I can't see Ford making someone keep Patricia who hasn't even sniffed that level of success.
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