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Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

You might think that guy is stupid and making up bullshit, but get this: He was named one of the twenty-five most important influential people in the global patent market by Intellectual Asset Management Magazine.

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Cry Havoc
May 10, 2004

This cyberpunk cartoon avatar is pretty dang ol' good, I tell you what.

Algund Eenboom posted:

Founder and Chief Investment Officer of Hayes Capital Management Founding Member of Committee on the Present Danger: China Chairman of the Board of Rule of Law Foundation Chair of Risk Committee of Board of Directors of University of Texas Investment Management Company U.S. House of Representatives U.S. Senate Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission Witness Top 25 Most Influential People in the Global Patent Market as Named By Intellectual Asset Management Magazine Lecturer on Global Economics at Columbia Harvard Stanford UC Berkeley University of Chicago University of Texas University of Virginia Recipient of 2019 Foreign Policy Association Medal Managing Director at Legg Mason Senior Managing Director at Bear Stearns Graduate of Texas Christian University with degree in Finance Board of Texas Department of Public Safety Foundation Advisory Board of Predata.

mina chang’s new resume looking good

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

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With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
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Biscuit Hider

lmao that bioweapon exists already it’s called high fructose corn syrup you idiots.

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

Darkman Fanpage posted:

wow weird how many hk supporters are reactionary nutjobs!

:ironicat:

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Said the guy on the same side as stonetoss

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

Darkman Fanpage posted:

oh no a nazi agrees with me on one thing i guess im the same as him

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
lmao so not giving a poo poo about hk makes me a reactionary? drat didnt know it worked that way!

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
lmao at how wrong jeb repetition is, he's like a c-spam institution at this point

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Homeless Friend posted:

lmao at how wrong jeb repetition is, he's like a c-spam institution at this point

he's the resident clueless centrist.

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

I was China was as cool or strong as the average white Lib think it is

Mayman10
May 11, 2019


That's not even how race works anyway

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Mayman10 posted:

That's not even how race works anyway
it sounds like a plot device in a command and conquer game

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy


https://twitter.com/htommy998/status/1132725156759998464

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 08:03 on Nov 20, 2019

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
^^^ lol jesus

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

it sounds like a plot device in a command and conquer game

Command and Conquer: Yellow Alert

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008
Guys I’m compiling a list of compassionate people, so far I’ve got:
- Billionaires
- Investment Bankers
- Hedge Fund managers

Can’t think of anyone else can somebody help?!

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Kassad posted:

Command and Conquer: Yellow Alert

C&C Generals had the Chinese faction generate its resources via "hackers"

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
C&CP: Yellow Alert

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
black lotus has trained us well

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

LimburgLimbo posted:

Guys I’m compiling a list of compassionate people, so far I’ve got:
- Billionaires
- Investment Bankers
- Hedge Fund managers

Can’t think of anyone else can somebody help?!

- the CCP leadership

wait, no, you already said billionaires

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Yikes

whatever7
Jul 26, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

sincx posted:

Chewing this over, the "PLA cleanup volunteers" might be the first not-dumb move from the PRC this entire sorry saga.

It's also a reminder that while (unlike Russia) the PRC sucks at international propaganda, (like Russia) the PRC is very good at salami slicing.

https://twitter.com/HongKongFP/status/1195691851677937664

The pan-dems are decrying this as illegal under the Basic Law. Let's take a look:

code:
Article 14

The Central People's Government shall be responsible for the defence of the Hong Kong
Special Administrative Region.

The Government of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall be responsible
for the maintenance of public order in the Region.

Military forces stationed by the Central People's Government in the Hong Kong Special
Administrative Region for defence shall not interfere in the local affairs of the Region.
The Government of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region may, when necessary,
ask the Central People's Government for assistance from the garrison in the
maintenance of public order and in disaster relief.

In addition to abiding by national laws, members of the garrison shall abide by the laws
of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region.

Expenditure for the garrison shall be borne by the Central People's Government. 
Here, the HKSAR government did not ask the PLA for cleanup help. Is what happened a violation of the Basic Law?

This is where salami slicing comes in. There are scenarios where the PLA cleaning up clearly wouldn't be in conflict with the Basic Law. For example: Private First Class Zhang decided to get dim sum on his day off, and while walking on the street from the barracks to the restaurant, saw an empty water bottle, which he picked up and tossed in a nearby trash can. No one can seriously argue that's interfering with the SAR's local affairs.

There are scenarios where the PLA cleaning up would clearly be a violation of Article 14. For example: 800 PLA troops drive down the Tolo Highway to Sha Tin in APCs, and use a molotov-resistant military grade bulldozer to remove the barricades under C.U.H.K. (lol) bridge no 2. No one can seriously argue that's not interfering with the SAR's local affairs.

Here, it's 50 PLA troops, cleaning up protestor barricades down the street from their barracks. Solidly in the gray zone. Personally, I'd argue this is probably a violation of Article 14, since it is clearly an organized deployment and the intention is to help the SAR recover from protestor damage, which is interfering in local affairs. But there is a colorable argument otherwise. And since all they did was move a bunch of bricks off the street and nothing else happened, the PLA will almost certainly get away with this.

And next time, the clean up will involve 60 troops, and 1 km away from the barracks. And then 100 troops. Then 200. And before you know it, the South China Sea has been completely paved over with runways.

I have been thinking about the HK court's face ban ruling all day, the salami slicing tactic is really what I think Beijing will use in the next "phrase". Not in term of use of PLA but in term of making subtle moves that doesn't show up on news cycles.

So here are some chess move chats:

* First the face ban ruling. There is no way in hell Beijing will let HK judiciary have final say on ruling of the emergency law and interference of the executive power. It doesn't matter what the ruling is. The National Congress will put a hammer down and over rule it. When will it happen officially is all political. In other words depend entirely on US-China interaction.

* The HK Human right Act I think is a foregone conclusion. Trump is going to have to sign it. It doesn't mean there is no wiggling room. It's still up to the state dept I think to review the situation in HK. If it's renewed every year this is basically back to the early Clinton years when the congress did the song and dance every year to pass the Most Favored Trade Status review. In this scenario I think Beijing will do the encroachment of HK independence slowly a la salami slicing or South China Sea Island building. Some people call it the end of 1C2S. I disagree. It's the end of British version of 1C2S and remake of Beijing version of 1C2S. China still need some HK financial hub functions particularly the 2nd currency Beijing can control and also indirect financing of mainland business. Everything else, is really not that important to Beijing. A lot of things, are just too much trouble to change in the short term. Are you going to make HKers drive on the right side? As long as you let them drive on the left side it's still 1C2S.

* Salami slicing means staying with the current status quote and relying heavily on Carrie Lam, HK Police, and maybe some undercover security officers. But no use of mainland paramilitary police; no use of PLA; not touching the unsupported civic service dept such as the education dept for now; not touching the newspaper particularly that little clown Jammy Lai. Also important, let the local election go ahead as planned. I really thought the election was going to be delayed, but now I hope Beijing let it happen and let people vent their frustrations through their votes. I don't think the anti establishment side will win that much if at that. Carrie Lam still has a big role to play for a while.

However Beijing always prepare the situation with two hands, salami is only going to be slicing IF the US is willing to dance. If US actually impose sanction based on the HK human right act, all bets are off. Let me remind you how well the Clinton admin did when they tried to force democratic changes in China thru the Most Favored Trade carrot and stick. Beijing literally arrest dozens dissidents during Secretary of State Warren Christopher's visit to showed Washington who get to lecture on human rights and democracy. So in the unlikely event that US actually impose sanction on HK, I can see comprehensive change of the HK government. For example National Congress can pass new law that require all HK higher officials can not hold other country's citizenship and/or permanent residency. That right away will wipe out the foreign judges. Changes to the textbook is just a matter of time. You asked for 攬炒? That's your 攬炒 Santa right there.

The "Battle of PolyU" is actually a show of force for the new police chief. Over 1k arrested and no casualty from either side yet. The movement is getting more violent and more directionless. I had already said before decentralization and refusing to condemn the violence are big weakness of the movement. You can not negotiate and you can not reign in the radicals. However I don't want to talk about actual tactics that much. Seem pointless and there is nobody left in the middle for you to convince.

I was away from the HK chat for a week and I found myself feeling better mental, by just having less vicious arguments all the time. So my early resolution for the new year is I want to have less HK chat. It's good for me personally and there are more interesting topics out there. I want to limit the HK subject discussion to 1/3 of my posts, maybe even less. And I wish everybody a happy holiday.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
It doesn't matter if you condemn violence because you'll be accused of it anyway, and having centralised leadership is just painting a big target on someone's back

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

whatever7 posted:

I was away from the HK chat for a week and I found myself feeling better mental, by just having less vicious arguments all the time. So my early resolution for the new year is I want to have less HK chat. It's good for me personally and there are more interesting topics out there. I want to limit the HK subject discussion to 1/3 of my posts, maybe even less. And I wish everybody a happy holiday.
happy holidays to you too

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
also that bourgie motherfucker + bannon + exiled chinese billionaire dude are trying to promote unrest in hong kong as a way of breaking the economy, and also hoping the U.S. will detach the USD from the HKD by revoking most-favored trade status. idea is to short the HKD and then take their winnings and invest in HK real estate after the market crashes due to the immediate recession that would follow a decoupling like that

the more you know

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
Former British consulate worker says he was tortured in China over UK's role in Hong Kong protests

quote:

But in June, with Hong Kong engulfed in mass demonstrations, Mr Cheng volunteered for an additional role.

"The British Consulate instructed staff to collect information about the status of the protests," he says.

As a supporter of the pro-democracy movement he found it easy to blend in and, with the consent of the consulate, he signed up to some of the social media groups through which the protesters co-ordinated their actions.

Paid overtime for the information he gathered, he began reporting back what he saw to his colleagues.

His task, both Mr Cheng and UK government sources insist, was not to direct events in any way but to purely observe - the kind of civil society monitoring work many embassies do.

This story doesn't even make sense. The consulate doesn't need a man with a chinese face to "blend in" on an internet platform. There is nothing stopping them from creating sockpuppet Chinese people to keep an eye on things in social media.

Anyway, I thought this bit of doublespeak was pretty funny:

quote:

Mr Cheng's written statement also mentions that, before his arrest, he stopped in Shenzhen for a massage.

I ask him directly if he paid for sex.

"I don't want to focus on the question of whether I solicited a prostitute, because that's exactly what they want," he replies.

"So, I just want to state clearly that I did nothing regrettable to the people I cherish and love."

Pretty much a tacit admission he did stop and pay for sex, which is hilarious because it's buried almost at the end of the article and the CNN retelling omits it entirely.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

Former British consulate worker says he was tortured in China over UK's role in Hong Kong protests
This story doesn't even make sense. The consulate doesn't need a man with a chinese face to "blend in" on an internet platform. There is nothing stopping them from creating sockpuppet Chinese people to keep an eye on things in social media.

I read it as just a lovely way of explaining that he was paid overtime to both monitor the online chat groups and go to protests and observe what was going on, where a sweaty white guy with a State Department FCO lanyard and a Yale LSE t-shirt absolutely would stand out as a Foreign Black Hand.

But also the UK consulate probably does need a man with a Chinese face to "blend in" on an internet platform because lol if you think Third Undersecretary Nigel Blowhard-Stuffedshirt can read 繁體字 and understand Cantonese internet slang.

whatever7
Jul 26, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
taken from /mapporn

"Countries with major protests in the last few weeks"

I think it's missing some spots, South Africa had an anti foreigner unrest. Georgia just popped up on my news feed having a fresh protest outside of the parliament. Good job 2019, we still have 1 month to go.

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Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

Pretty much a tacit admission he did stop and pay for sex, which is hilarious because it's buried almost at the end of the article and the CNN retelling omits it entirely.

I too care more about the prostitution than the part where he is tortured by mainland authorities and forced to make a taped confession

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

im curious where he thinks hes going to get asylum from if the country he was spying for wasnt offering a good enough deal is he hoping this article will impress the yanks so much theyll give him a green card

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Some Guy TT posted:

im curious where he thinks hes going to get asylum from if the country he was spying for wasnt offering a good enough deal is he hoping this article will impress the yanks so much theyll give him a green card

Obama shut down the fake asylee industrial complex centered around the nyc Chinatown in 2014. my guess is Germany, they’ve been housing a lot of the HK related asylum claims recently.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
I wrote this in another thread but it's relevant to this one too.

This should be really obvious but you don't let local staff do spy stuff. You don't let local staff have even a low level clearance. They're by far the easiest people for foreign intelligence services to lean on, as you see in his testimony. One of the first things they do is say "hey we know all your family in the mainland."

I don't know how it works in Hong Kong but in the mainland, all diplomatic mission staff are provided by the China Service Bureau for Diplomatic Missions, meaning the Chinese government provides your local staff. And once a year they take them away on a one week retreat where I'm sure they ask lots of great questions.

You don't have those people do any spy stuff.

Darkest Auer
Dec 30, 2006

They're silly

Ramrod XTreme
Working for the white man is equivalent to treason for Pevan Stan, it doesn't matter what this random worker has done or not done

Norton the First
Dec 4, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

because last time it was offered up in 2014 the entire city erupted in massive rioting, and that was a relatively benign deal where Beijing only reserved the right to veto candidates who were openly seditious

This is comical. Let the people vote.

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Norton the First posted:

This is comical. Let the people vote.

the people decided they didn’t want it??? what’s the point of introducing universal suffrage to the LC if bloodnose’s bosses are just going to start calling in all their civil society banners to start rioting again?

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybPVDT0hPGQ

Norton the First
Dec 4, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Oh, cool, I didn't know they didn't want it. Presumably they expressed that opinion through vo...oh, wait.

Mayman10
May 11, 2019

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that Bejing was cool with letting Hong Kong have universal suffrage for 2017 and onwards but neither side was ever okay with the others proposals

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem
Beijing's version of universal suffrage was instead of a 1200 member committee voting for 3 candidates chosen by a 1200 member committee, the public would vote for 3 candidates chosen by a 1200 member committee, and pevan stan thinks this is a massive insult to China when the people thought universal suffrage means being able to choose who those 3 candidates were

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Kill All Cops posted:

Beijing's version of universal suffrage was instead of a 1200 member committee voting for 3 candidates chosen by a 1200 member committee, the public would vote for 3 candidates chosen by a 1200 member committee, and pevan stan thinks this is a massive insult to China when the people thought universal suffrage means being able to choose who those 3 candidates were

literally every country in the world imposes hurdles on who can run, what’s the difference between the election committee (something idiots like you never complained about when the British did it) and the superdelegate system in presidential primaries?

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Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

election committee (something idiots like you never complained about when the British did it)

Brits never had election committees, your anti-white man whataboutism radar is off. Get it checked mate

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