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Nov 20, 2019 18:09
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How embarrassing.
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Nov 20, 2019 18:10
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Hehe luckily for Hong Kong, Carrie Lam can't ask Xi Dada to disable the legislatumive branch for 6 weeks.
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Nov 20, 2019 18:26
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Kill All Cops posted:Beijing's version of universal suffrage was instead of a 1200 member committee voting for 3 candidates chosen by a 1200 member committee, the public would vote for 3 candidates chosen by a 1200 member committee, and pevan stan thinks this is a massive insult to China when the people thought universal suffrage means being able to choose who those 3 candidates were Was the 1200 member committee also elected? Edit: it was planned to be elected like the Election Committee is elected Mayman10 has issued a correction as of 18:34 on Nov 20, 2019 |
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Nov 20, 2019 18:30
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Didn't Mao and the CCP repeatedly threaten to invade Hong Kong if the British ever granted them universal suffrage?
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Nov 20, 2019 19:33
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Mayman10 posted:Was the 1200 member committee also elected? Localists and their civil society astroturf groups take marching orders from Washington and London. they genuinely don’t care about issues like suffrage- if granted they would shift the goalposts to autonomy or some other goal. the entire charade exists to manufacture consent for tv audiences in the west and stick a thorn in the side of the PRC. if you were to ask them for a system of nominating a candidate for CE in a system that amounts to a presidential system with Chinese characteristics they couldn’t tell you either. je1 healthcare posted:Didn't Mao and the CCP repeatedly threaten to invade Hong Kong if the British ever granted them universal suffrage? The CCP in that era considered holding elections in Hong Kong to be a step on putting HK on a path to independence, so they opposed it. it makes more sense in the context of the 50s and 60s when the empire was crumbling and new countries were being formed overnight in the former colonies. CAPS LOCK BROKEN has issued a correction as of 19:47 on Nov 20, 2019 |
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Nov 20, 2019 19:39
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If Hong Kong wants universal suffrage just let them fully integrate into China already duh
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Nov 20, 2019 20:45
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Mayman10 posted:If Hong Kong wants universal suffrage just let them fully integrate into China already duh They would likely get voting delegates in the NC at that point and that is undesirable for Xi and the party for a number of reasons.
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Nov 20, 2019 21:16
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Chairman Pooh should be taking note of all the members raising angst on Washington again. Either he likes those with no face, ie petulant man children, or a significant vocal group are making political statements on subject lines alone aka Cliff Notes with Chinese characteristics instead of fully reading papers at their desks. The bill doesn’t do anything if China doesn’t change anything, it’s like an archetypal Chinese bill.
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Nov 20, 2019 21:30
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Grapplejack posted:They would likely get voting delegates in the NC at that point and that is undesirable for Xi and the party for a number of reasons. also the oligarchs and corporations running Hong Kong really, really, really do not want to lose their iron grip on local government - they wouldn't get to keep their Functional Constituency horseshit and the Party would be the arbiter of who's allowed to run the CCP's curated-candidate-list pseudo-parliament would unironically be a step up from HK's current government system, and heck, might be able to shave off some of the protest support The universal suffrage clause has been part of their Five Demands since the start, though and is ultimately the main sticking point. The HK government was willing to take the extradition off the table, and might well even today be willing to accept their "please don't prosecute protesters for protesting" demands, but abolishing functional constituencies is an existential threat to Team Oligarch's power so they ain't gonna fold on that one unless not folding is an existential-er threat. Which it won't be, unfortunately. The only entity capable of twisting their arm to the degree needed is the CCP, who themselves really do not want mass protests that they're not in charge of to be a valid tool for political change even if they don't care all that much about whether Hong Kong is a corporatocracy or a nominal liberal democracy.
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Nov 20, 2019 21:57
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Nov 20, 2019 22:05
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How's gamergate on china going
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Nov 20, 2019 22:09
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sincx posted:The US government's obvious, uncontained lust for regime change in China and for the breakup of the PRC isn't helping things. What would a Balkanized China look like anyway? You'd have Tibet and like, maybe east Turkestan? I assume any balkanization would mean Mongolia and Russia would try to regain lost territory but I can't think of anything beyond that.
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Nov 20, 2019 22:14
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:How's gamergate on china going it has been determined that gamers are oppressed
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Nov 20, 2019 22:14
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Grapplejack posted:They would likely get voting delegates in the NC at that point and that is undesirable for Xi and the party for a number of reasons. Hong Kong already has delegates in the NPC, all SARs do
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Nov 20, 2019 22:19
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Grapplejack posted:What would a Balkanized China look like anyway? You'd have Tibet and like, maybe east Turkestan? I assume any balkanization would mean Mongolia and Russia would try to regain lost territory but I can't think of anything beyond that. 1. KOEI games 2. The main region is too connected by roads and HSR to breakup at this point.
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Nov 20, 2019 22:20
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Grapplejack posted:What would a Balkanized China look like anyway? You'd have Tibet and like, maybe east Turkestan? I assume any balkanization would mean Mongolia and Russia would try to regain lost territory but I can't think of anything beyond that. 
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Nov 20, 2019 22:22
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Lol what a nightmare this would be
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Nov 20, 2019 22:46
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whatever7 posted:taken from /mapporn strong potential for a Nuevo Gran Colombia if the protesters can get on the same page
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Nov 20, 2019 22:47
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Follow up of the Shawshank Redemption story from yesterday. Supposedly 17 went into the sewer 9pm last night, 3 went back because of the smell. The rest reappeared on the other side at 9am the next day (I don't know if they actually spent 12 hours in the sewer, some how I doubt it). However the police saw the 4 associates and promptly arrested all of them including the sewer crawlers. Once of them is "Red Blood Citizens" party vice president. You can see one guy on their facebook page complained that Apple Daily exposed their escape route. I don't know how big they are seeing there are so little traffic on their page.
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Nov 20, 2019 23:23
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Grapplejack posted:Lol what a nightmare this would be tip of the iceberg  Auntie Liu and online De-Sinicization is a trip
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Nov 20, 2019 23:26
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:29 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Nov 20, 2019 23:57
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Maximo Roboto posted:tip of the iceberg The fact that Thailand doesn't even get touched is so insulting. Also I'm Cubstan
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Nov 21, 2019 00:02
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if china was star wars who would be darth vader
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Nov 21, 2019 00:15
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Scionix posted:if china was star wars who would be darth vader the island of taiwan
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Nov 21, 2019 00:47
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sincx posted:At this point, wouldn't it be better to just lock yourself in a closet somewhere, wait until the all-clear in a few days, and stroll out? Even with dogs, the cops can't realistically search every single nook in every single room on every single floor in every single building in any reasonable time frame. You would have to depend on the remaining 100? radicals give up first. If the remaining radicals decide to hold up for a few more weeks/months, you would have to stay in the campus with them. And let the reporters live blog your filthy lives.
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Nov 21, 2019 00:50
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https://twitter.com/taro_taylor/status/1197141621722083328?s=20
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Nov 21, 2019 00:54
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whatever7 posted:Follow up of the Shawshank Redemption story from yesterday. Supposedly 17 went into the sewer 9pm last night, 3 went back because of the smell. The rest reappeared on the other side at 9am the next day (I don't know if they actually spent 12 hours in the sewer, some how I doubt it). However the police saw the 4 associates and promptly arrested all of them including the sewer crawlers. Just remembered that video of the protestors singing Do You Hear The People Sing lol
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Nov 21, 2019 00:54
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Kill All Cops posted:I too care more about the prostitution than the part where he is tortured by mainland authorities and forced to make a taped confession
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Nov 21, 2019 01:01
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Perhaps both sides are bad
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Nov 21, 2019 01:16
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On the flip side, if he is not willing to be honest about that how can you believe his cookie cutter story about being tortured so he can land an asylum claim to a western country?
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Nov 21, 2019 01:17
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Somebody check Simon's Taiwanese girlfriend's facebook status and see if she is single. Also, it took the guy 3 months to release his debrief, I bet he refused to do it until he got fast tracked to become a British citizen.
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Nov 21, 2019 02:21
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Not surprising horny tankies would choose to believe state propaganda, that a guy would travel from a place with legalized prostitution to a place where it is illegal in order to pay for sex, rather than believe an account of torture that corroborates with countless other forced confessions Cookie cutter indeed
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Nov 21, 2019 03:19
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Kill All Cops posted:Not surprising horny tankies would choose to believe state propaganda that a guy would travel from a place with legalized prostitution to a place where it is illegal in order to pay for sex, rather than believe an account of torture that corroborates with countless other forced confessions Obviously he did it because its cheaper in SZ and he was looking to take advantage of that. I mean, why not come out and deny it unless of course you actually did it!
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Nov 21, 2019 03:21
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:its cheaper in SZ I suppose you would know best!
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Nov 21, 2019 03:25
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Additionally, his claim that there are tons of HKers being held by the mainland doesn't stand up to scrutiny. How come he's the only one that's been publicized? Where are the families of all the other people who were blackbagged to SZ? Why is nobody looking for them? The BBC as usual just repeats agitprop designed to manufacture consent.
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Nov 21, 2019 03:28
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Don't try to change the subject pevan stan, please elaborate on how cheap these hookers are in SZ compared to HK After all, you were the one to care more about the prostitution story than the account of torture
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Nov 21, 2019 03:31
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I imagine if you wanna get with a prostitute you might go one city over where everyone you know isnt?? anyway he's obviously a spook and a comprador and he deserved all the bits of his story that he diddnt make up
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Nov 21, 2019 03:34
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Kill All Cops posted:Don't try to change the subject pevan stan, please elaborate on how cheap these hookers are in SZ compared to HK Hey man I'm just getting my talking points from wumao central, you don't need to get this hysterical in CSPAM
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Nov 21, 2019 03:35
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Kill All Cops posted:Not surprising horny tankies would choose to believe state propaganda, that a guy would travel from a place with legalized prostitution to a place where it is illegal in order to pay for sex, rather than believe an account of torture that corroborates with countless other forced confessions Who cares if he did have sex with a hooker, nobody cares.
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Nov 21, 2019 03:41
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