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Oh no, a new poll says Labour is stuffed and the conservatives have a 16% lead! Before the usual doom mongers get here... https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/ipsos-mori-political-polling-methodology quote:Ipsos MORI interviewed a representative sample of 1,228 adults aged 18+ across Great Britain. Interviews were conducted by telephone 15th – 19th November 2019. So small sample size, self selecting for people who answer an unknown number, and skewed with an unknown turnout weighting  Oh and in the final poll before the election they're just going to outright guess based on your readership of the daily mail. E: Squirrel Tax 
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Scikar posted:. Rachel Riley is currently at 2 but this might push her to 3, and from there it's only a matter of time because the controversy becomes the identity then, and they always have to push it further to try and stay relevant. She seems to have gotten a fuckton of backlash from this one which I doubt she expected. A lot of people are complaining to Channel 4 as well. And what's different from the previous times she's hosed up is that this time she's pissed off a bunch of people who couldn't give a flying gently caress about Corbyn or Labour
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Purple Prince posted:Current MP basic salary is over £70k. If they're complaining about not making enough they shouldn't be in public service. I know. I'd like to see it be enough that they wouldn't even think about bothering to take a bribe because what could they possibly want? And similarly, make their personal travel expenses and accommodation something they pay out of their salary, but increase salary to compensate (and also move parliament somewhere cheaper, and provide accommodation and food at the location). And then loving imprison them if they still do take bribes. Or collect rental income. Or get treated to lavish lunches by lobbyists. Etc. The costs of running their offices (of state) should be paid by the beauraucracy of the government, not the individual. The cost of runnign their constituency offices should also be paid by the beauraucracy, with the exception of election campaigning. And, for that matter, why is it a default expectation that public service should come with poo poo pay anyway? I have a whole raft of ideas on this which basically run to the tune of 'eliminate graft by eliminating the means by which graft is accomplished AND increasing compensation in recognition of doing a monumentally hard, expensive, and unrewarding job, but also make it very clear that any conflicts of interest that are pursued are punished accordingly. Whilst at the same time making it much more possible for people who don't have access to generational wealth to become MPs by reducing the personal expenses involved.
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Paul.Power posted:There's always waltz time. Polyrhythmic Triplet patterns in 9/8 over 7/8.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Riley needs to be hammered on her past comments, particularly how she had nothing to say over Jimmy Carr being pulled up for an anti-Semitic joke. She wants to sow division then she can loving reap it. Also wouldn't hurt if people started questioning David 'blackface' 'I used to make jokes about Saville loving kids all the time but I definitely didnt know' Baddiel's moral compass.
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RockyB posted:Oh no, a new poll says Labour is stuffed and the conservatives have a 16% lead! Before the usual doom mongers get here...
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Also lmao, Riley managed to piss off the chair of Young Labour/prominent member of Jewish Labour Movement Miriam Mirwitch https://twitter.com/mrwtch/status/1197466928694091776
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If you have 20 people who will probably vote labour and discard them in favour of five people who will definitely vote tory, this is called accurate polling.
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Rarity posted:Angepain, you don't have PMs. Would you like to come on the Praxiscast for our trans rights episode? You'd be joining some cool people (and also me) and it would be great to have your perspective on what's going on in Scotland! I don't think I'll be able to any time soon, though if you have any particular questions about precisely what kind of rear end in a top hat Joan McAlpine is i'm happy to help. Paul.Power posted:There's always waltz time. can't wait until my new movement Math Rockers For Corbyn gets off the ground. admittedly the chants get a bit wordy at 17/4
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After thinking I'd never get a job I now have a choice between: An apprenticeship in Rail Engineering and Track Maintenance Level 2 that will get me straight into a job on the rails. or Making sure bread is neatly stacked before it goes out to the shops. Decisions, decisions.
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Can I have the bread stacking job if you don't want it because I spent my shift stacking booze instead and now I have wankers cramp.
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I mostly lurk this thread but thought I'd mention I've joined Labour today I'm looking forward to getting my membership pack whenever it arrives. Just hoping my tory-voting landlord won't see it first Does your membership number come with the membership pack, or is there another email to look forward to with it? This is my first time joining a political party and I'm not too keyed-in to a lot of this stuff really
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Angepain posted:I don't think I'll be able to any time soon, though if you have any particular questions about precisely what kind of rear end in a top hat Joan McAlpine is i'm happy to help. Nothing specific but if there's anything in particular you think we should bring up then let me know 
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They post you a nice card to fold together with your deets on.
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Anyone enter the Labour membership sweepstake? Seems a weird thing to do. I don't really want to take money out of the party.
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CGI Stardust posted:isn't this very much targeting older voters by definition, since they're the most reliable voters and they're the ones who read newspapers Also probably the only ones who will answer a random telemarketer in the middle of the day, rather than just let it ring out. Anyway Lmfao at this headline https://www.telegraph.co.uk/investing/shares/questor-labours-plans-would-wipe-375bn-value-london-stocks/ Labour's plans would wipe £375bn off the value of London stocks 
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RockyB posted:Also probably the only ones who will answer a random telemarketer in the middle of the day, rather than just let it ring out. Cant wait for the photoshops of Cobyn standing in the narrators place at the end of Fight Club watching all the credit card companies collapse
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stev posted:Anyone enter the Labour membership sweepstake? I keep meaning to return the thing, the logic is presumably that they get a shitton more money in by offering a prize than they have to pay by giving out the total of 8 grand in prizes. The fact thtat they don't actually *require* a donation seems a little weird but I'm assumign that's a legal bullshit thing.
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stev posted:Anyone enter the Labour membership sweepstake? I think that's the point, it encourages more people to sign up, lotteries are a very easy way to make money.
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RockyB posted:
I think this doesn't get sufficient thought. Some of my local party did a ring round of all members about 4 years ago. They tried the same thing a few months ago (with due consideration of GDR etc etc) and were enormously frustrated because almost no one answered their phones especially landlines. They got just ringing outs, they got the 1571 service, or they got answering machines. I've had my landline on 'Do Not Disturb' for months so I don't even hear it ring - and right now having just moved I don't have a landline at all. I've removed all my phone numbers from membersnet (the Labour party member database) as well.
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First funding rounds are in  https://twitter.com/TomBoadle/status/1197533502255894528
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OwlFancier posted:Can I have the bread stacking job if you don't want it because I spent my shift stacking booze instead and now I have wankers cramp. It's cool because it's mostly automated all you have to do is make sure there's the correct amount of bread and it's facing the right way. And you only have to do that for twelve hours a day. A bright, bready future.
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Doccykins posted:First funding rounds are in Would make more sense if they also included total donations received.
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Shout out to Jeremy G Knight-Adams splitting his donation into multiple £20k payments so he's further down the list. e: lol he's a property developer who has made a bunch of dodgy contributions to councillors and then coincidentally been allowed to buy plots of green belt land from their councils to build on. Scikar fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Nov 21, 2019 |
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Best bits from Truss crashing and burning on Politics Live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTmSfzeHdEo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv3tcVYiLEk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqFjVO6IAbA
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thespaceinvader posted:Honestly, this is one of my preferred solutions for MP corruption. Travel and/or accommodation expenses for out-of-London MPs are fair enough, IMO, as are office expenses (although the latter would probably be better served by having admin staff employed by Parliament rather than the MP).
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re. broadband: there were a few people ITT who were saying how their workmates were complaining about potential job losses. Good news: looks like the broadband sector gets a jobs guarantee, p.53 of Manifesto 2019quote:We will establish British Broadband, with two arms: British Digital Infrastructure (BDI) and the British Broadband Service (BBS). We will bring the broadband-relevant parts of BT into public ownership, with a jobs guarantee for all workers in existing broadband infrastructure and retail broadband work.
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bessantj posted:It's cool because it's mostly automated all you have to do is make sure there's the correct amount of bread and it's facing the right way. And you only have to do that for twelve hours a day. A bright, bready future. See this is why capitalism is bullshit because in socialism we would have bought three machines then paid three people to do four hour shifts or something.
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Jose posted:Meanwhile in trump's impeachment inquiry lol How the hell are there two spectacularly incompetent British advisors to heads of government called Fiona Hill? The writers of this season aren't even trying any more, are they?
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Jables88 posted:https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1197533872310947846?s=20 does he have some new glasses? they look very powerful and also extremely straight, but I dunno it might be the policies talking  OwlFancier posted:Isn't there... only one way you can chant three one-syllable words? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bop4rr6sUQo&t=8s
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Let's finish the headlines quirrels should 'be shot'.  ogs.
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Guavanaut posted:Say what you really mean Barber you hack: https://twitter.com/Angie_Angie_Ang/status/1197543401522126848?s=20 
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Doccykins posted:First funding rounds are in I'm amazed we got as far as eighth before finding the first Russian. That would be Lubov Chernukhin, wife of former Putin ally and Russian deputy finance minister Vladimir Chernukhin, who has been propping up the Tories for the last year to the tune of £450k including £135k for dinner with Theresa May back in May. E: that figure was a running total of declared donations up to 9th November, so apparently doesn't include this donation of £200k which was not declared until the 19th.
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I watched the debate and I distinctly do not recall jeremy corbyn saying there was no antisemitism in labour.
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Guavanaut posted:Let's finish the headlines
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Travel and/or accommodation expenses for out-of-London MPs are fair enough, IMO, as are office expenses (although the latter would probably be better served by having admin staff employed by Parliament rather than the MP). Accoms expenses are avoided by providing accommodation at Parliament for MPs. Travel expenses are avoided by making parliament much more central. And by a high salary I mean probably in the millions per annum, so a rail ticket even from the furthest away consitutencies every other day would be essentially ignorable expenses. Obviously, this also includes significantly improving the rail system. As with so many proposed system improvements, improving the whole system is a necessary assumption of any one part of it being improved.
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thespaceinvader posted:Accoms expenses are avoided by providing accommodation at Parliament for MPs. MP identity card that suffices as a travel ticket on all public transport. That now owns because it's all been nationalised.
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thespaceinvader posted:Accoms expenses are avoided by providing accommodation at Parliament for MPs. I'm not sure being forced to live in a dorm with a bunch of Tories is going to help recruitment of new MPs.
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dispatch_async posted:I'm not sure being forced to live in a dorm with a bunch of Tories is going to help recruitment of new MPs. Split them into houses by party and encourage raids. I feel this will add exciting dynamics to our political landscape and also that the socialist parties will be better at it because the tories are more full of geriatric soft boys.
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Fucksake, So in the space of an hour, this article has gone from: quote:"Right. So what about the question of anti-Semitism? He suddenly turns from Mr Affable to Mr Angry, as if someone has pressed a switch. ‘There is NO anti-Semitism in the Labour Party,’ he bellows. Huh? How can he believe that when The Jewish Chronicle recently published a poll saying that half the British Jewish community would consider emigrating if Corbyn came to power? That is a pretty serious indictment, surely, if Jews are actually scared of living in Britain under Labour? ‘There is nothing, nothing, nothing in my life that has ever been racist or anti-Semitic in any way.’ What about the mural he approved of (it showed a group of hook-nosed bankers playing a game of Monopoly on the backs of huddled dark-skinned people, and could have come straight from Nazi Germany)? to quote:Right. So what about the question of anti-Semitism? ‘There is nothing, nothing, nothing in my life that has ever been racist or anti-Semitic in any way.’ What about the mural he approved of (it showed a group of hook-nosed bankers playing a game of Monopoly on the backs of huddled dark-skinned people, and could have come straight from Nazi Germany)? And naturally the print version has the former version. https://twitter.com/seshort/status/1197545803063189511?s=20 Presumably Corbyn's team also had a recording of the interview and got on the phone to the ES immediately. But are they just going to be allowed to make up quotes from a candidate wholesale during an election?
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