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poopinmymouth posted:We gonna talk about this? Seems pretty germane. Is this saying that the chemical weapons were completely fabricated and were just used as justification for intervention
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Terror Sweat posted:Is this saying that the chemical weapons were completely fabricated and were just used as justification for intervention Da, Comrade. It is all the jihadist, not our strong leader Bashir Al Assad, the great protector of Syria.
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Nov 20, 2019 16:00
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Cat Mattress posted:Most people go to the gym, instead of building up strawmen and beating them up all day long, but hey, whatever gets you some good cardio. Yeah total strawman. WhiskeyWhiskers posted:How the gently caress is Iran a dictatorship (in the liberal sense)? They're as much a democracy as any commonwealth nation. CrazyLoon posted:Okay then, not even that. and multiple other posts juxtaposing Iran and Saudi Arabia without recognising they're just in fact two different entries on the Bristol Stool Chart.
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Nov 20, 2019 16:47
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Iran and Saudi Arabia aren't the same brown hoard dude, they do have different forms of government.
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Nov 20, 2019 17:18
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Unimpressed posted:Yeah total strawman. I see nothing about socialism in either of those posts. As for democracy, it's definitely more democratic than Saudi Arabia or Commonwealth of Nations member Brunei, and definitely less democratic than Western countries.
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Nov 20, 2019 17:51
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Cat Mattress posted:I see nothing about socialism in either of those posts. the attack is that the damnable forums socialists are insufficiently gung-ho on the subject of hating Iran. you know how some people consider it a personal attack if you say you're not a fan of a movie franchise? you're best off thinking along those lines.
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Unimpressed posted:What's happening in the unironically socialist democracy of Iran? I guess they shut down the internet to concentrate on being more democratic in a more socialist way? Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the attack is that the damnable forums socialists are insufficiently gung-ho on the subject of hating Iran. Posts like these create an endless and very boring cycle of posters talking past each other. This kind of meta commentary where you invent what you think other people are going to say and then mock it has crowded out any actual conversations. Going forward confine this style of posting to CSPAM.
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Please do not respond to the Salafis=Good Everyone Else=Bad man.
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So Iran intel right now is like reading bits and pieces of q anon without knowing what it is. Half the people say Iran is split into 2 and the other half say business as norm npnp. Any new news?
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Cat Mattress posted:Most people go to the gym, instead of building up strawmen and beating them up all day long, but hey, whatever gets you some good cardio. they actually are socialist-ish and democratic-ish and studying the things they do right and the (many) things they do wrong is p informative it's dangerous for me to post too much about them because there's a small risk of me going Full Typo and unironically singing their praises  I'm really drat curious what comes to light after the internet blackout is lifted. Too bad a lot of it will be really horrible. Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Nov 20, 2019 |
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Frond posted:Please do not respond to the Salafis=Good Everyone Else=Bad man. If a post is breaking the rules report it or reach out to a mod via PMs. Do not interrupt the discussion - such as it is - by telling other people who they should or should not engage with. This is a basic rule of D&D that has been on the books for years and which will be enforced much more strictly going forward. CSPAM is right over there if you want to discuss these topics within a looser format that leaves plenty of room for personal grudge matches.
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Helsing posted:If a post is breaking the rules report it or reach out to a mod via PMs. Do not interrupt the discussion - such as it is - by telling other people who they should or should not engage with. This is a basic rule of D&D that has been on the books for years and which will be enforced much more strictly going forward. CSPAM is right over there if you want to discuss these topics within a looser format that leaves plenty of room for personal grudge matches. are you, like, an overall dnd ik now or did this thread just get added to your remit
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I didn't realize that posting in D&D meant acting like a mod yourself. I've spoken to family in Shiraz and they are definitely in the, "everything is fine" camp.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:are you, like, an overall dnd ik now or did this thread just get added to your remit The whole forum I'm afraid. It actually happened a while ago but I don't think anyone has noticed because no one checks the rules thread and I'm not very trigger happy.
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Helsing posted:The whole forum I'm afraid. It actually happened a while ago but I don't think anyone has noticed because no one checks the rules thread and I'm not very trigger happy. Huh. Well, if I haven't noticed until now, you're doing fine so far in terms of not going mad with power.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:they actually are socialist-ish and democratic-ish and studying the things they do right and the (many) things they do wrong is p informative The things they do wrong are pretty loving bad is the big problem. Ehvin prison, even by international torture prisons for political opponent standards is really loving bad. Also the public executions of minors etc. That said, the Iranians, as a people, are cool af and I wish them nothing but the best.
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Iran is one of the few ME countries I actually want to go to.
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Less Claypool posted:Iran is one of the few ME countries I actually want to go to. Just FYI, if you enter Iran on a US, UK, or Canadian passport, you're significantly restricted as you have to either be on official group tour, or with a government minder the entire time. It used to be possible to get "paper" minders, but I've heard they have recently become much more strict about this, and you really don't want to be a US/UK/CA citizen traveling independently in Iran with a fake, absent minder. Also if you have another country's citizenship, then keep in mind that invalidates your ability to get the ESTA waiver if you want to travel to the US. So you'll have to go to the US embassy to get a 10 year visa if you want to go to the US after going to Iran, at least after your current ESTA expires. Whether this is a huge deal or not kind of depends on how far you live from a US embassy/consulate, and how often you go. I know a bunch of Europeans who have been to Iran and have had to do this, and everyone always got their 10 year visa approved without the slightest hassle, but ymmv.
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Saladman posted:Just FYI, if you enter Iran on a US, UK, or Canadian passport, you're significantly restricted as you have to either be on official group tour, or with a government minder the entire time. It used to be possible to get "paper" minders, but I've heard they have recently become much more strict about this, and you really don't want to be a US/UK/CA citizen traveling independently in Iran with a fake, absent minder. Thanks for the info, I figured as much. They hate our allies in the ME with a passion. Like Herstory said. most Iranians are really cool people who like a lot of western poo poo and hate the goons that run the show over there, a lot of young people.
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Saladman posted:Just FYI, if you enter Iran on a US, UK, or Canadian passport, you're significantly restricted as you have to either be on official group tour, or with a government minder the entire time. It used to be possible to get "paper" minders, but I've heard they have recently become much more strict about this, and you really don't want to be a US/UK/CA citizen traveling independently in Iran with a fake, absent minder. Or if you have dual citizenship with a country that's not one of the those three just travel there on that country's passport.
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Speaking of dual citizenships - Iraqi defense minister Najah al-Shammari and his wife are now being investigated by Swedish police for welfare fraud. Based on some reporting an Iraqi government minister can't hold the citizenship of another country? https://nyheteridag.se/iraqi-defense-minister-is-receiving-welfare-in-sweden-investigated-by-police/ quote:Najah al-Shammari’s current registered residence is in a suburb of Stockholm, despite him being the Defense Minister of Iraq. Al-Shammari is also a Swedish citizen, something which he achieved in 2015, after six years in Sweden. A story which Nyheter Idag revealed earlier in the week using legal documents and several sources, one being AFP journalist Ammar Karim, based in Baghdad. I just hope Mr. Karim stays safe, reporting on the Iraqi defense minister's crimes while based in Baghdad sounds dangerous 
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Wow, Swedish welfare must be pretty good for it to matter to a senior government minister in one of the most corrupt governments in the world.
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Unimpressed posted:Wow, Swedish welfare must be pretty good for it to matter to a senior government minister in one of the most corrupt governments in the world. Less than a thousand euros a month for the two of them. Definitely doesn't sound like worth it, so either a) they are that stupid and greedy b) someone else is drawing welfare on their names c) this is a mistake or any mix of the above!
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Helsing posted:The whole forum I'm afraid. It actually happened a while ago but I don't think anyone has noticed because no one checks the rules thread and I'm not very trigger happy. congrats/condolences and keep up the good work. preferably while doing as little as possible. what's everyone's take on the continuing Iraq protests? Besides being extraordinarily violent, does anyone think they are going to lead to real change in the government? The situation just doesn't get any better, and it's hard to see this leading to meaningful reform. There's just so many different conflicting groups and interests and all of them are armed.
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Nenonen posted:a) they are that stupid and greedy Its a system that is pretty easy to game, and its free money? The people who work with approving applications are swamped with work so when you have spent enough time in the system poo poo kinda just goes on. As far as I know they still have to turn in the application at the "soss-kontor" in person, so I guess his wife or some other dude goes there at the end of every month. Zombiepop fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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Terror Sweat posted:Is this saying that the chemical weapons were completely fabricated and were just used as justification for intervention It wouldn't be inconsistent with past actions, would it? More from WikiLeaks. https://wikileaks.org/opcw-douma/
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On the one hand we have mountains of evidence Assad used chemical weapons multiple times. On the other hand, Wikileaks and innuendo about Iraq used to target an international organization that is not part of the American government. This is a real puzzler, I tell you what.
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Less Claypool posted:It also doesn’t make sense why Assad would use chemical weapons in the first place. They gassed themselves! I'm very smart!
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Less Claypool posted:It also doesn’t make sense why Assad would use chemical weapons in the first place. He wanted to kill the people located in the places he used chemical weapons. Hope that helps.
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John Kerry and the Russians took ALL his chemical weapons so he wouldn’t be attacked in the first place for using them.
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man, the rebels must be some stupid motherfuckers. the first time they gassed themselves and it didn't draw a concerted intervention somehow convinced them that they need to gas themselves a bunch more to diminishing foreign attention it's the only theory that makes sense
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Less Claypool posted:John Kerry and the Russians took ALL his chemical weapons so he wouldn’t be attacked in the first place for using them. Ah yes, the deal brokered after Assad's use of chemical weapons in Ghouta. Clearly that is evidence supporting it "not making sense" for Assad to use chemical weapons.
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Less Claypool posted:John Kerry and the Russians took ALL his chemical weapons so he wouldn’t be attacked in the first place for using them. Except we have plenty of evidence they continued to use them afterwords.
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ah yes, Assad, A Baathist, Highly unlikely he would ever gas people unlike other Baathist who definitely gassed people. Do you guys fuckin' realize that Iraq and Syria were attempting to unite under Baathism??
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the peaceful Assad family that did the 1982 Hama massacre.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:ah yes, Assad, A Baathist, Highly unlikely he would ever gas people is this statement apropos of anything, or are we just thinking back to the good ol' days of Saddam doing what we told him to do for nostalgia's sake
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Considering the Kurds he gassed were actively our allies at the time I'm guessing not, though I would also be quite surprised if the US was explicitly telling him to (or for that matter had the sway) gas Iranian border towns
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Celexi posted:the peaceful Assad family that did the 1982 Hama massacre.
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Less Claypool posted:John Kerry and the Russians took ALL his chemical weapons so he wouldn’t be attacked in the first place for using them. Wait what, your previous posts were serious? Jesus Christ. Most of the chemical attacks were using chlorine gas, which Kerry et al did most definitely not take "all of" because you can’t take away or dismantle a country’s ability to make chlorine gas, because it’s basic to manufacture and use.
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