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RockyB posted:Another shock ant semitism e: Proverbs 3:27 is "Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due, when it is in your power to act."
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Guavanaut posted:
Looks like the bible needs to brush up on its myrmecology.
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 10:33 |
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biglads posted:LibDems will be going all 'blood and soil' within a year at their current trajectory. Blood and soil! Only soil! Kill the treebeasts!
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 10:33 |
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Sounds like they're saying "I shouldn't have to ask you to do extra work, pleb".
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 10:37 |
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"Both parties are peddling fantasy politics. When will politics return to the sensible, moderate centre ground??" Oh gently caress off Blair.
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 10:37 |
I guess it was only a matter of time before the Piss Tories began soiling themselves
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 10:38 |
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coffeetable posted:it often is though; this is the basic tension between incremental, middle-of-the-road policies that have a high chance of being carried out, and far-left upend-everything policies that have a much lower chance of being carried out. even the labour leadership is aware of this, which is why various open immigration policies acclaimed by the membership have been quietly garrotted and brexit policy is triangulated to poo poo. the most extreme policies were open immigration and what, right for tenants to buy? neither were in the manifesto, neither were particularly extreme as these things go cf. the standard revolutionary programme, and they're both viable to a certain extent within capitalism, with sufficient political will / sovereignty, without destroying capitalism. not exactly struggle sessions or landlord classicide, is it
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 10:39 |
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Go to the lions, thou deadweight; consider their ways, and be wise: Which having a leader, overseer and ruler, gathereth their pride in his faltering years and expelleth him in violence. Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 10:44 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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Necrothatcher posted:Looks like the bible needs to brush up on its myrmecology.
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 10:44 |
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Eusocial animals aren't a bad ideal, a group of small, individually weak parts which create intelligent structures emergent from their collective behaviour rather than being told what to do by some one controlling mind.
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CGI Stardust posted:the most extreme policies were open immigration and what, right for tenants to buy? neither were in the manifesto, neither were particularly extreme as these things go cf. the standard revolutionary programme, and they're both viable to a certain extent within capitalism, with sufficient political will / sovereignty, without destroying capitalism. not exactly struggle sessions or landlord classicide, is it Yeah Communist policy would be more like: * Abolish the bourgeois monarchist state of the United Kingdom, reform it as the People's Republic of Great Britain and Northern Ireland * All borders to be opened to all, right to free settlement for all comrades who pledge allegiance to the Marxist-Corbynist Party of the PRGBNI * Private Property to be abolished, resisting landlords / capitalists to be reformed where possible or otherwise put before the People's Tribunal for appropriate punishment * Housebuilding for the people to begin immediately with unoccupied properties made available to the State for housing the needy: funds to do this coming from the Revolutionary Mint of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 10:49 |
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OwlFancier posted:Eusocial animals aren't a bad ideal, a group of small, individually weak parts which create intelligent structures emergent from their collective behaviour rather than being told what to do by some one controlling mind.
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah but they're not really hierarchical, they just centralize reproduction, which gave Victorian gentleman-scientists who already had really weird ideas about hierarchy even weirder ones. Oh yeah that's my point, they aren't "ruled" by the queen, the intelligence of the colony is, as far as I understand, the aggregate effect of the actions of the colony and its various scent markers and behaviours of the component ants.
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Purple Prince posted:* Private Property to be abolished, resisting landlords / capitalists to be reformed where possible or otherwise put before the People's Tribunal for appropriate punishment
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CGI Stardust posted:it's worth pointing out that anyone in the Labour Party right now (myself included) is for practical purposes a reformist pushing for social democracy (regardless of the socialism memes) and we know this hopefully; preferences for the amount to be reformed / left alone may differ. one problem Labour seems to be having on the ground with reaching undecideds and non-voters (i.e. those who don't think Corbyn is a Communist Marxist Terrorist, who Labour needs to win!) isn't that the policies are extreme, it's that many people seem to think governments cannot accomplish anything - kind of, this seems nice, but could never be done. they're not scared or worried by the result, they just don't think it can happen ("it'd be nice, but...") I'm massively sceptical of the parliamentary path to socialism. Generally speaking it's a whole lot of failure that ends up concluding that actually lets just stop reforming at some point and then hey presto, you've got Blair & Schröder Third Way neoliberalism. But I also don't really have the stomach to tolerate accelerationism: people would die. So I compromise, try to put my faith in a reformist Labour Party even while being deeply unconvinced that the reformist path to socialism actually exists in any meaningful sense. Because frankly if there's one thing to take away from the post-war consensus period, the middle path reformist took is far too easily reversed to ultra-capitalism.
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 10:55 |
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https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1198877205310377984?s=19 This is satisfying, but its also peak Worst Person You Know Makes Good Point
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 10:57 |
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Whether you like reformism or not I'd suggest that accelerationism is even more of a non starter because there's no indication anybody has either the inclination or the means to effect a revolution at any time in the foreseeable future in the UK. Frankly I'm not convinced that accelerationism is even a coherent approach at all. Just making things worse and hoping that will make things better requires rather more working than anyone's been able to show me. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/LaboursBlackPLP/status/1198887765154377728
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Failed Imagineer posted:https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1198877205310377984?s=19 That's twice in one week he's been calling out the establishment very odd considering piers morgan is a gently caress, but a stopped clock can be right twice a day.
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 11:03 |
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tithin posted:That's twice in one week he's been calling out the establishment Him and Neil doing it are but gently caress it whatever works
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 11:08 |
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Strom Cuzewon posted:What pisses me off about the Diane Abbott stuff is how it seems to work despite being so loving transparent. Diane Abbott is one of the strongest people in politics, and I have tremendous respect for her for fighting on in the face of possibly the worst character assassination campaign anyone currently in UK politics has suffered. Her entire career she has been enduring furious attacks from racists and misogynists, and anyone who is for some reason angry that she has got to the position that she has. And the establishment has completely ignored this or even amplified it, because they consider her a political opponent. Because she's fighting for the powerless. She's been thrown under the bus by people who should know better, and this tacit approval of vicious, baseless attacks on her has allowed bigots to believe they're free to go wild. And they have been right for a long time. But they are completely wrong about Diane. She is sharp, kindhearted and far stronger than they will ever be. If she wasn't, then they would've succeeded in breaking her. And the fact that she refuses to break only makes them angrier. I really hope we can change this in the future, and end this campaign to destroy one of the best people in politics. If she is so bad, then why does she have one of the largest personal majorities of any MP, with 75% of votes cast in her constituency in 2017 going to her? Her constituents know her, and they love her. I'm not sure there's anyone in UK politics who I respect more than Diane Abbott. Solidarity.
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Purple Prince posted:* Abolish the bourgeois monarchist state of the United Kingdom, reform it as the People's Republic of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Not the United Republics of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland?
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 11:09 |
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Then tell the IoM and Jersey that if they want to join they union they'll have to do so on the same terms as anyone else.
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 11:10 |
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Braggart posted:
Just click on any of her tweets and see the poo poo on there and tell me that you could take that level of abuse just for a day. That's just a small proportion of what she's been getting every single day for going on forty years, and I've no idea how she copes with it.
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 11:15 |
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http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/11/25/the-polling-thats-persuaded-me-that-turnout-will-be-greater-than-66-4/ A perspective on turnout. In short - turnout looks good.
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 11:17 |
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Azza Bamboo posted:Then tell the IoM and Jersey that if they want to join they union they'll have to do so on the same terms as anyone else. And if they don't want to they can go it alone. No more tax havens and weird excuses for opt outs etc In or out.
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 11:18 |
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OwlFancier posted:Frankly I'm not convinced that accelerationism is even a coherent approach at all. Just making things worse and hoping that will make things better requires rather more working than anyone's been able to show me. They're all forms of accelerationism.
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 11:20 |
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https://twitter.com/ta_mills/status/1198909333427408896?s=20
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Braggart posted:
And just look at that majority. Absolute political monster, in the very very best way of using the term.
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 11:27 |
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I'm partial to the Jeremy Gilbert theory that the most revolutionary period in recent western history was the 60s-70s aka the height of social democracy, so maybe we need to rebuild that to give people enough free time so they can become revolutionary.
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 11:29 |
Kassad posted:Not the United Republics of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland? United PEOPLE'S Republics of NEWS
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Red Oktober posted:And just look at that majority. The coloured blocks threw me for a moment, I thought it was a Lib Dem bar chart.
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 11:33 |
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Bundy posted:United PEOPLE'S Republics of NEWS Ugh I knew I was forgetting something
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 11:38 |
Spent five minutes giggling at this.
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forkboy84 posted:I'm massively sceptical of the parliamentary path to socialism. Generally speaking it's a whole lot of failure that ends up concluding that actually lets just stop reforming at some point and then hey presto, you've got Blair & Schröder Third Way neoliberalism. But I also don't really have the stomach to tolerate accelerationism: people would die. So I compromise, try to put my faith in a reformist Labour Party even while being deeply unconvinced that the reformist path to socialism actually exists in any meaningful sense. Because frankly if there's one thing to take away from the post-war consensus period, the middle path reformist took is far too easily reversed to ultra-capitalism. MikeCrotch posted:I'm partial to the Jeremy Gilbert theory that the most revolutionary period in recent western history was the 60s-70s aka the height of social democracy, so maybe we need to rebuild that to give people enough free time so they can become revolutionary. one of the ants should be carrying a larva back the the nest for reasons
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Bundy posted:United PEOPLE'S Republics of NEWS United People's Republics of WENIS
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Rarity posted:Under Corbyn we'll all be effortposting once a week so that all can enjoy the merits of our minimal labour So we'll all be columnists? Sounds good to me! Is it okay if instead of effortposts I write e-fartposts? It seems to be acceptable in the media currently
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